Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

[ShieldOFaith]

The Amish would probably be quite insulted to be compared to the C.S.A. They are not in the habit of using the death penalty.

Also, you still haven't answered my questions from way back when... they can be found earlier in the thread.

Have you ever read The Handmaid's Tale? It is a warning about many of the ideas that the hypothetical C.S.A are founded on.

Perhaps you have been reading... well, I don't know what you've been reading, but the Amish are not a violent people. They don't put people to death. They do have people leave the Amish community, but they do not, in any way, put them to death. Here are some Amish websites. Perhaps the Amish are a little too left-wing for you, though... there is nothing about putting people to death; instead, they shun offending members... a much more peaceful system than anything mentioned about the C.S.A.

The Amish would probably object strongly to the government controls and the violence that the laws of the hypothetical C.S.A is based on.

http://www.800padutch.com/amish.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/amish.htm
http://www.amishcenter.com/index.shtml

Notice that the Amish give a chance for their children to learn more about the rest of society; they do not force them the choice of staying or risking being killed by the state.

Where ever did I say that someone would be killed for trying to leave the New C.S.A.? What?

No, no, no! If anyone wanted to leave the awesome country of the New C.S.A. they but need to pack! See ya!

Real Christians who wanted to live a peaceful and happy life would love living in the C.S.A.. It is only those who are law breakers and those who hate authority that would not like the C.S.A..

Murderers, rapists, kidnappers, homosexuals, abortionists...ect.. These would not want to come to the C.S.A.. These would stay far far away from the C.S.A.. AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING!

SOLA GRATIA.

 

[USMC4Life]

The Amish would probably be quite insulted to be compared to the C.S.A. They are not in the habit of using the death penalty.

Also, you still haven't answered my questions from way back when... they can be found earlier in the thread here here
here and here

Have you ever read The Handmaid's Tale? It is a warning about many of the ideas that the hypothetical C.S.A are founded on.

Perhaps you have been reading... well, I don't know what you've been reading, but the Amish are not a violent people. They don't put people to death. They do have people leave the Amish community, but they do not, in any way, put them to death. Here are some Amish websites. Perhaps the Amish are a little too left-wing for you, though... there is nothing about putting people to death; instead, they shun offending members... a much more peaceful system than anything mentioned about the C.S.A.

The Amish would probably object strongly to the government controls and the violence that the laws of the hypothetical C.S.A is based on.

http://www.800padutch.com/amish.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/amish.htm
http://www.amishcenter.com/index.shtml

Notice that the Amish give a chance for their children to learn more about the rest of society; they do not force them the choice of staying or risking being killed by the state.

The Handmaids tale is leftist propaganda. Its distorting everything the Bible says and it makes it sound 10x worser. Then this government control of reproduction.

Not to mention the writer is a feminazi.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

The Handmaids tale is leftist propaganda. Its distorting everything the Bible says and it makes it sound 10x worser. Then this government control of reproduction.

Not to mention the writer is a feminazi.

Great post.

Semper Fi, USMC4Life!!!

SOLA SCRIPTURA!

 

[SallyNow]

Where ever did I say that someone would be killed for trying to leave the New C.S.A.? What?

No, no, no! If anyone wanted to leave the awesome country of the New C.S.A. they but need to pack! See ya!

Real Christians who wanted to live a peaceful and happy life would love living in the C.S.A.. It is only those who are law breakers and those who hate authority that would not like the C.S.A..

Murderers, rapists, kidnappers, homosexuals, abortionists...ect.. These would not want to come to the C.S.A.. These would stay far far away from the C.S.A.. AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING!

SOLA GRATIA.

Wow. Um, my point was missed. By a few dozen miles.

My point was that the C.S.A.'s hypothetical laws encourage the state's killing of people, while the Amish (which you compared the CSA to) encourage that a person leave the community when they do not believe in following the rules set by the Amish.

The C.S.A., on the other hand, kills people who do not follow the very restrictive rules.

And do I have to mention that I doubt Christians who want to live a peaceful and happy life would like the C.S.A? Its rules would lead to neighbors spying on neighbors, to people being afraid of everything they do, of people being nervous that they are not living to "standards" set by the rules, not much different than Mao's Cultural Revolution, only with a theocratic bend.

 

[Wednesday]

I take it that you never actually read anything aside from the bible.

I take it that you are scared, you are afraid of people like Margaret Atwood. Admit it, you are scared of *leftist propaganda* like "1984" and "Handmaid's Tale". You are scared of freedom and liberty so much that you have to dream up mythical C.S.A nation.

How very childish of you.
Dream on!

Feminazi is one of the most dumbest, childish words ever. It was invented by men who are afraid of strong, independent, intelligent women.

You are nought but children, my dear sirs.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Thats not a heresy. I can't really define heretic, but I can give you a example. Catholicism. Total heresy, they support law breakers and have gave the priest the ability to forgive, when its Gods job.

You have been lead to believe that heretic means "unbeliever." Which is not what it means.

I'm not really in the mood to play semantic games, but in the interests of keeping the discussion going, I'll say that the C.S.A. is thus commanded by God to kill all unbelievers. Better?

So, you going to do it, or not?

 

[Nathan Poe]

The first Scripture you quote is talking about Idol worship; not heretics.

The Second is speaking on False Prophets and Idolaters.

Here is the New Testament speaking on what we would consider someone who is not holding to sound doctrine or what we may consider a "Heretic".

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, 3 but has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior; 4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you-- [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]6 if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination. 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, 8 but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict. --Titus 1[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]You are confusing False Prophets with "heretics".[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]SOLA SCRIPTURA.[/FONT]

The point is anyone following a God not your own, or anyone who tries to convert one of God's chosen people away from the "true" God, is to be put to death.

That would include, in your C.S.A., Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists, and according to USMC4life, Cathoics.

So, would you kill them, or would you ignore God's instructions?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Wrong answer.

Read post #415 again and educate yourself on the topic and then answer my question.

The answer is that you're trying to doubletalk your way out of a straight answer.

Yes or no, Shield -- the C.S.A. is depending on you to tell them what the law is.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Where ever did I say that someone would be killed for trying to leave the New C.S.A.? What?

How would you prevent them from leaving?

No, no, no! If anyone wanted to leave the awesome country of the New C.S.A. they but need to pack! See ya!

Leaving the C.S.A. with a population of two -- yourself and USMC4life

Real Christians who wanted to live a peaceful and happy life would love living in the C.S.A.. It is only those who are law breakers and those who hate authority that would not like the C.S.A..

You mean Real Christians would avoid the C.S.A. -- they'd submit to God's authority, not yours.

Murderers, rapists, kidnappers, homosexuals, abortionists...ect.. These would not want to come to the C.S.A.. These would stay far far away from the C.S.A.. AND THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING!

Why would they stay away? Every nation on Earth, no matter how draconian, has its share of criminals.

DO you really think executing unbelievers, disobedient children, and people who work on Saturdays is going to accomplish anything?

SOLA GRATIA.

NON COM-- Hmmm... Couldn't help but notice you've left "God" out of your little sig this time.

Didn't take long to abandon Him, did it?

 

[Nathan Poe]

The Handmaids tale is leftist propaganda. Its distorting everything the Bible says and it makes it sound 10x worser. Then this government control of reproduction.

The C.S.A. would outlaw birth control, and execute fornicators and doctors who perform abortions. Sounds like that government is trying to control reproduction as well.

P.S. "worser"? Who's in charge of education in the C.S.A.?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

I take it that you never actually read anything aside from the bible.

I take it that you are scared, you are afraid of people like Margaret Atwood. Admit it, you are scared of *leftist propaganda* like "1984" and "Handmaid's Tale". You are scared of freedom and liberty so much that you have to dream up mythical C.S.A nation.

How very childish of you.
Dream on!

Feminazi is one of the most dumbest, childish words ever. It was invented by men who are afraid of strong, independent, intelligent women.

You are nought but children, my dear sirs.

Sounds like envy.

Shields up boys!

 

[ShieldOFaith]

P.S. "worser"? Who's in charge of education in the C.S.A.?

I was thinking we might try to get Dan Quayle. Just a thought.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suomipoika
ShieldOFaith, before you quote verses from Leviticus that prescribe stoning for men sleeping with men, whitches, adulterers etc., take a look at what Apostle Paul has to say concerning the laws of Leviticus.

Galatians 3:19-29:

"What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one. Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ[h] that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."

Alleluia! Soli Christus Gloria!


You are getting Salvation confused with teachings on civil law.

No one is ever saved by the law. I fully understand that. I am not teaching that. Never have, never will. Remember I am a Calvinist. I fully understand SOLA GRATIA!!!

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Suom, here is something for you to chew on and learn:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]17 "And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. --Exodus 21

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3 He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' 5 But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God"-- 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.' Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' " --Matthew 15

JESUS REAFFIRMS THE DEATH PENALTY FOR DELINQUENT CHILDREN!!!

Once again, I am right. The government has the right to exercise Capital Punishment!!!

SOLA GRATIA!!!
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Hey, where is [/FONT]Suomipoika? I hope he's alright.[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] [/FONT]

 

[Nathan Poe]

I was thinking we might try to get Dan Quayle. Just a thought.

I suspect he'd be overqualified for the C.S.A.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Wow. Um, my point was missed. By a few dozen miles.

My point was that the C.S.A.'s hypothetical laws encourage the state's killing of people, while the Amish (which you compared the CSA to) encourage that a person leave the community when they do not believe in following the rules set by the Amish.

The C.S.A., on the other hand, kills people who do not follow the very restrictive rules.

And do I have to mention that I doubt Christians who want to live a peaceful and happy life would like the C.S.A? Its rules would lead to neighbors spying on neighbors, to people being afraid of everything they do, of people being nervous that they are not living to "standards" set by the rules, not much different than Mao's Cultural Revolution, only with a theocratic bend.

You fail to see something. Those who live by the Spirit are not going to be doing all those horrible sins. They would have nothing to fear from the Government.

The C.S.A. would be a wonderful place to live. A place dedicated to the glory of GOD. A place where Christ is the corner stone. A place where we would love and bless GOD. Scripture would be engraved on all our buildings. Murals of GOD and all His glorious works would be everywhere.

Everyone is focusing on the Capital Punishment of the C.S.A.. There would be very little of that going on. Because there would already be very few people getting buck wild trying to commit all these evil sins.

Once again, you are only seeing things through American/ English eyes. You are assuming that the C.S.A. would be just like the U.S.A.. That would not be the case at all. There would not be a secular government. The government would be one dedicated to the glory of GOD. There would be lots of Prayer, Worship, Fasting, and Reading the Word of GOD in our government!!! As I said before, the C.S.A. would be founded upon the WORD OF GOD!!! Absolutely no apologies there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Once again, I hit a nerve with the left because I stepped on their favorite pet sin; homosexuality. And we all know that if anyone says anything negative about homosexuality, it is mandatory that all leftists must rally around the rainbow flag and start the chanting and whistle blowing! Block out all reason. Forget truth ever existed. Just start chanting and repeating the party lines and buzz words, and you'll be ok.

So sorry; I'm not politically correct. That term comes from the communist party, and I have nothing to do with communism. I am a free born man, and I speak as one.

SOLA SCRIPTURA.

SOLA FIDE.

SOLA GRATIA.

SOLUS CHRISTUS.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

 

[TheReasoner]

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[Paulos23]

You fail to see something. Those who live by the Spirit are not going to be doing all those horrible sins. They would have nothing to fear from the Government.

Everyone sins, no one is perfect. Most of the Christians here admit that, sounds like you want perfect people that never sin. You might as well have robots then because sin is part of the human condition.

The C.S.A. would be a wonderful place to live. A place dedicated to the glory of GOD. A place where Christ is the corner stone. A place where we would love and bless GOD. Scripture would be engraved on all our buildings. Murals of GOD and all His glorious works would be everywhere.

Sounds a lot like every communist country I know of. You going to have required mass as well? Take roll at church?

Everyone is focusing on the Capital Punishment of the C.S.A.. There would be very little of that going on. Because there would already be very few people getting buck wild trying to commit all these evil sins.

You don't understand human nature very well then. The state your setting up would encourage people to spy on their neighbor. Don't like someone, claim they are a homosexual, adulterer, etc. Heck, claim they are a witch, I am sure your government would gladly kill one more 'sinner'.

Your not setting up a free country, your discribing a religious dictatorship.

Once again, you are only seeing things through American/ English eyes. You are assuming that the C.S.A. would be just like the U.S.A.. That would not be the case at all. There would not be a secular government. The government would be one dedicated to the glory of GOD. There would be lots of Prayer, Worship, Fasting, and Reading the Word of GOD in our government!!! As I said before, the C.S.A. would be founded upon the WORD OF GOD!!! Absolutely no apologies there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not confusing it with the USA, just seeing it through the lessons of history, lessons you apparently didn't get.

Once again, I hit a nerve with the left because I stepped on their favorite pet sin; homosexuality. And we all know that if anyone says anything negative about homosexuality, it is mandatory that all leftists must rally around the rainbow flag and start the chanting and whistle blowing! Block out all reason. Forget truth ever existed. Just start chanting and repeating the party lines and buzz words, and you'll be OK.

Nope, but killing any human for something they are, be it color, hair, eyes, sexual orientation, race, hight, weight is clearly a crime against humanity. You don't see the slippery slope your going down.

So sorry; I'm not politically correct. That term comes from the communist party, and I have nothing to do with communism. I am a free born man, and I speak as one.

So do I. What you want to do is petty. You want everyone to be like you under pain of death. You call upon God to try and give it legitimacy, but many of the religion you claim to belong to see you for what you are.

SOLA SCRIPTURA.

SOLA FIDE.

SOLA GRATIA.

SOLUS CHRISTUS.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

Gold leaf covering filth.

 

[TheReasoner]

Everyone sins, no one is perfect. Most of the Christians here admit that, sounds like you want perfect people that never sin. You might as well have robots then because sin is part of the human condition.

As there seems to be some belief on Shield's part that Latin somehow makes a statement more true, I'll say this:

Veritas.

Not confusing it with the USA, just seeing it through the lessons of history, lessons you apparently didn't get.

Or didn't attend.

So do I. What you want to do is petty. You want everyone to be like you under pain of death. You call upon God to try and give it legitimacy, but many of the religion you claim to belong to see you for what you are.

Very clearly, too. Of course I'm probably on Shield's ignore list now for not being silenced. I will not ignore this madman's evil ravings!

Gold leaf covering filth.

There's a verse describing it:
Matthew 23:27
27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.

Fits, doesn't it? Shield even tries to appear as if he's teaching us what law is about.

 

[Paulos23]

Very clearly, too. Of course I'm probably on Shield's ignore list now for not being silenced. I will not ignore this madman's evil ravings!

No madman should be ignored, especially when you see someone else taking heart in his evil ravings.

There's a verse describing it:
Matthew 23:27
27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.

Fits, doesn't it? Shield even tries to appear as if he's teaching us what law is about.

All too well. And like others that have been pointed out to be the evil people they are, he squirms and shifts and tries to re-paint his bad ideas as something better. Which is why we should point out the evil he is basing his nation on, and not focus on the veneer of Holiness he keeps trying to rap it in.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You fail to see something. Those who live by the Spirit are not going to be doing all those horrible sins. They would have nothing to fear from the Government.

You fail to see something -- no such people exist.

The C.S.A. would be a wonderful place to live. A place dedicated to the glory of GOD. A place where Christ is the corner stone. A place where we would love and bless GOD. Scripture would be engraved on all our buildings. Murals of GOD and all His glorious works would be everywhere.

Murals of GOD? Funny thing; nobody really knows what GOD looks like, do they?

Why do I get the suspicion that on those murals, GOD's face will look uncannily like your own?

Everyone is focusing on the Capital Punishment of the C.S.A.. There would be very little of that going on. Because there would already be very few people getting buck wild trying to commit all these evil sins.

You're overestimating your ability to control people via fear.

Once again, you are only seeing things through American/ English eyes. You are assuming that the C.S.A. would be just like the U.S.A.. That would not be the case at all. There would not be a secular government. The government would be one dedicated to the glory of GOD. There would be lots of Prayer, Worship, Fasting, and Reading the Word of GOD in our government!!! As I said before, the C.S.A. would be founded upon the WORD OF GOD!!! Absolutely no apologies there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As well as a lot of Crusades, Inquisitions, and hangings of unbelievers -- just as the Bible says.

Once again, I hit a nerve with the left because I stepped on their favorite pet sin; homosexuality. And we all know that if anyone says anything negative about homosexuality, it is mandatory that all leftists must rally around the rainbow flag and start the chanting and whistle blowing! Block out all reason. Forget truth ever existed. Just start chanting and repeating the party lines and buzz words, and you'll be ok.

You speak rather blithely about exterminating people -- regardless of whom -- and people are going to get in a twist.

So sorry; I'm not politically correct. That term comes from the communist party, and I have nothing to do with communism. I am a free born man, and I speak as one.

I speak as a man who'd be hanged if you ever got your way -- for the crime of being free born and free thinking.

SOLA SCRIPTURA.

SOLA FIDE.

SOLA GRATIA.

SOLUS CHRISTUS.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

RES IPSA LOQUITOR

IPSO FACTO

NON COMPOS MENTIS