Creating a New Nation! The New C.S.A. (2)

ShieldOFaith · Mar 6, 2008

mpok1519 said:
trust me, I'm more stable than you mr SWAT team guy. =) I think you've proven this to everyone more than enough.

Anyways, back to the debate....

And this is the core of the debate; lets put homosexuality aside. what about an old lady, a first or third time non-violent drug offendor, clean record, upstanding citizen, but her drugs are illegal, but its the only thing that help her pain from a debilitating disease for which there is no cure or known treatment for, only the illegal drugs.

Do you feel the Bible justifies her execution based upon her crimes?
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howabout another question....

Do you hate homosexuals?

Here is how this would work in the New C.S.A.. If the drug marijuana is actually the only drug that can help her in her pain, then she would have a Doctor prescribe it for her and she would take it. Just like morphine or other drugs. She would be under the care of a Medical professional and this doctor would be able to diagnose her illness and correctly prescribe her drugs or specific care.

Problem solved.

There is no reason to legalize marijuana or morphine to the point of having it over the counter. These are drugs that can help an ill person or that can cause damage or death if taken incorrectly. That is why they stay in the control of Medical Professionals.

I have absolutely no problem with helping people who are actually very ill, with pain control. If marijuana can actually help a human being in serious pain, and there is no other drug that can help that person; then by all means give it to them. There is no reason for them to suffer if you can help them with a simple prescription from their doctor.

I hope that clears that up.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

DrStrangelove · Mar 6, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Here is how this would work in the New C.S.A.. If the drug marijuana is actually the only drug that can help her in her pain, then she would have a Doctor prescribe it for her and she would take it. Just like morphine or other drugs. She would be under the care of a Medical professional and this doctor would be able to diagnose her illness and correctly prescribe her drugs or specific care.

Problem solved.

There is no reason to legalize marijuana or morphine to the point of having it over the counter. These are drugs that can help an ill person or that can cause damage or death if taken incorrectly. That is why they stay in the control of Medical Professionals.

I have absolutely no problem with helping people who are actually very ill, with pain control. If marijuana can actually help a human being in serious pain, and there is no other drug that can help that person; then by all means give it to them. There is no reason for them to suffer if you can help them with a simple prescription from their doctor.

I hope that clears that up.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

...you're aware marijuana has never killed...anyone, right? I mean, literally, *it* has never killed anyone.

Someone smoking it & driving, then dieing is a totally other story.

Cigarettes kill people.
Alcohol kills people(you can drink yourself to death).
But Marijuana...never killed anyone. You'd pass out before you could smoke yourself to death.

TheReasoner · Mar 7, 2008

DrStrangelove said:
...you're aware marijuana has never killed...anyone, right? I mean, literally, *it* has never killed anyone.

Someone smoking it & driving, then dieing is a totally other story.

Cigarettes kill people.
Alcohol kills people(you can drink yourself to death).
But Marijuana...never killed anyone. You'd pass out before you could smoke yourself to death.

Problem is, one joint is about as carcinogenic as a packet of cigarettes. Marijuana is not harmless either. It is harmful to your health. Granted, to get an OD of THC I think you'd have to inject it. And I am not sure it would KILL you if you did. Nicotine would though.

TheReasoner · Mar 7, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Do you even know what this means?

Once again, research a word before you use it out of context. Thanks.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

Yes, heretic. I know what it means. And by anyone's definition, you're a heretic.

"heresy |ˈherəsē|
noun ( pl. -sies)
belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (esp. Christian) doctrine "

Your belief includes a strong desire for genocide. It spits on Christ's sacrifice. It is full of false teachings and evil beyond what I would have thought I'd see anyone truly believe. In other words, and to speak a language you seem to relate more to, you're a heretic if there ever was one.

I will ask you again, will you please stop using the Lord's name in vain? I have seldom seen a clearer breach of the third commandment than what you're doing in your posts. You're spewing forth what can only be called evil, vile, insane and heretical, and finish the post with "soli deo gloria". It's sickening and angering.

TheNewWorldMan · Mar 7, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Please read and understand:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]6 If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people. 7 Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, for I am the Lord your God. 8 Keep my statutes and do them; I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 9 For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica] 10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. 15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Leviticus 20[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Capital Offenses. Plain and simple. Specific and [/FONT]unambiguous.

There you go.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

So how will the last criminal in the CSA be executed? Given that everyone will likely have done something you deem to be a crime? Make sure the executioner takes the LD of something slow-acting, so he can put a bullet in the head of the second-to-the-last criminal, then turn out all the lights and lower the CSA flag before dying himself.

Oh...do you consider suicide to be a capital offense? Because I really don't see any other way out for the last surviving citizen of your little patch of Hell...

TheNewWorldMan · Mar 7, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
That is an absolute lie.

I never once said anything about Nazi concentration camps.

What did I say NW? I said the government has the right by GOD to exercise Capital Punishment. It does. I'm right.

Burning corpses smell the same, whether they're Jews, communists, gypsies and homosexuals at Auschwitz, or Jews, communists, fortune-tellers and homosexuals at Divine Cleansing Centers of the CSA.

NW, tomorrow the Sun will rise in the east and will set in the west. Tomorrow the Word of God will still be the same. I will open up my Bible and I will see this:

And tomorrow you will still advocate mass murder.

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Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.

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diese Weise zu den Duschen und zum Delousing

This way to showers and delousing, please...

Nathan Poe · Mar 7, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Here is how this would work in the New C.S.A.. If the drug marijuana is actually the only drug that can help her in her pain, then she would have a Doctor prescribe it for her and she would take it. Just like morphine or other drugs. She would be under the care of a Medical professional and this doctor would be able to diagnose her illness and correctly prescribe her drugs or specific care.

Problem solved.

Perhaps the doctor doesn't want to be hanged?

There is no reason to legalize marijuana or morphine to the point of having it over the counter. These are drugs that can help an ill person or that can cause damage or death if taken incorrectly. That is why they stay in the control of Medical Professionals.

Just about every drug can cause damage or death if taken incorrectly -- even multivitamins.

I have absolutely no problem with helping people who are actually very ill, with pain control. If marijuana can actually help a human being in serious pain, and there is no other drug that can help that person; then by all means give it to them. There is no reason for them to suffer if you can help them with a simple prescription from their doctor.

You mean you'd prescribe drugs instead of prayer? Sounds like your C.S.A. isn't all that Biblical after all.

I hope that clears that up.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

PRIMUM NON NOCERE.

SallyNow · Mar 7, 2008

I feel left out of the C.S.A. aready. My questions haven't even been answered!

They can be found here: http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=44335886&postcount=186

Also, by which translation would this new CSA be using? NIV? New King James Version? English Standard Version? New American Bible? Luther Bibel 1545? An even older Latin manuscript? Or the good old KJV, which is rife with language that requires a degree in English Literature with a speciality in Elizabethan and Post Elizabethan English to fully understand?

Because, when laws are being based on the Bible, they have to come straight from the source, right? And not from faulty translations.

Which brings up the question... will people be required to speak Latin, Greek, or Aramaic... traditional languages used in Christian written tradition... or English?

Oh, I forgot to ask the most important thing! Silly me. Will rules set forth by Jesus followed? You know, all those rules in the New Testement? Like these ones:

Luke 7:12:

12"In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 6:37

Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned.

Mark 12:31

You shall love your neighbor as
yourself

Are these not the fundemental laws of Christianity????

Nathan Poe · Mar 7, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Please read and understand:

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]6 If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people. 7 Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, for I am the Lord your God. 8 Keep my statutes and do them; I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 9 For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]10 If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. 15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. --Leviticus 20[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Capital Offenses. Plain and simple. Specific and [/FONT]unambiguous.

There you go.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

Thank you. That does clear it up.

Just one more question:

[BIBLE]Exodus 22:20[/BIBLE]

[BIBLE]Exodus 21:17[/BIBLE]

[BIBLE]Exodus 21:29[/BIBLE]

[BIBLE]Deuteronomy 21:18-21[/BIBLE]

[BIBLE]Exodus 35:2[/BIBLE]

[BIBLE]Genesis 17:14[/BIBLE]

[BIBLE]Leviticus 20:18[/BIBLE]

[BIBLE]Deuteronomy 13:1-5[/BIBLE]

Is there anyone who won't be hanged in your C.S.A.?

ShieldOFaith · Mar 7, 2008

faith guardian said:
Yes, heretic. I know what it means. And by anyone's definition, you're a heretic.

"heresy |ˈherəsē|
noun ( pl. -sies)
belief or opinion contrary to orthodox religious (esp. Christian) doctrine "

Your belief includes a strong desire for genocide. It spits on Christ's sacrifice. It is full of false teachings and evil beyond what I would have thought I'd see anyone truly believe. In other words, and to speak a language you seem to relate more to, you're a heretic if there ever was one.

I will ask you again, will you please stop using the Lord's name in vain? I have seldom seen a clearer breach of the third commandment than what you're doing in your posts. You're spewing forth what can only be called evil, vile, insane and heretical, and finish the post with "soli deo gloria". It's sickening and angering.

I have never once advocated genocide and you know it. You are lying. That makes you a liar. Who is spitting on Messiahs' sacrifice?

I am simply advocating Capital Punishment. Once again, maybe you can't understand a simple concept like this; but here it goes again.

IF <=== you created a New nation (brand new from scratch), and your judicial system carried Capital Punishment for certain crimes; then that government would be justified in carrying out Capital Punishment as long as it was under the rule of GODS laws.

Hence, if they hung a murderer by the neck until dead, they would be justified. However, if they hung a Jew by the neck until dead, just because he was a Jew; then they would not be justified; they would be committing and evil sin.

All the Capital offenses I read off, Murder, Rape, Kidnapping, Abortion (murdering a baby in his mothers womb), and Homosexuality are all Capital Offenses in the Word of God. As far as gangsters, these evil beings are committing murder, rape, drug running, prostitution rings, pimping, armed robbery...ect.. Multiple Capital Offenses there. The New C.S.A. would be a place where all these sins would be crimes that would be Capital Offenses. Hence, you'd get hung for them. That is perfectly consistent with the Word of God.

Therefore I am not now, nor was I ever advocating genocide. Therefore you are a liar. Stop lying. It is sickening and weak.

The GOD of Abraham has set into law Capital Punishment. Like it or not. Deal with it.

I am a Christian and I love God very much. I believe this:

The Apostles' Creed

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell. [See Calvin]
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.

*The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ.

==============================

The Athanasian Creed

Whosoever will be saved,
before all things it is is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith.
Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled,
without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
And the Catholic Faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity
in Unity,
neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance.
For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son,
and another of the Holy Ghost.
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one,
the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal.
Such as the Father is, such is the Son,
and such is the Holy Ghost.
The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate,
and the Holy Ghost uncreate.
The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible,
and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible.
The Father eternal, the Son eternal,
and the Holy Ghost eternal.
And yet they are not three eternals,
but one eternal.
As also there are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated,
but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible.
So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty,
and the Holy Ghost Almighty.
And yet they are not three Almighties,
but one Almighty.
So the Father is God, the Son is God,
and the Holy Ghost is God.
And yet they are not three Gods,
but one God.
So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord,
and the Holy Ghost Lord.
And yet not three Lords,
but one Lord.
For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge ever y
Person by Himself to be both God and Lord,
so we are forbidden by the Catholic Religion, to say, there be three Gods,
or three Lords.
The Father is made of none,
neither created, nor begotten.
The Son is of the Father alone,
not made, nor created, but begotten.
The Holy Ghost is of the Father [and of the Son],
neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons;
one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts.
And in this Trinity none is afore, or after other; none is greater, or l ess
than another;
but the whole three Persons are co-eternal together and co-equal.
So that in all things, as is aforesaid,
the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
He therefore that will be saved
must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation
that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ .
For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess,
that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.
God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds;
and Man, of the Substance of His Mother, born in the world;
Perfect God and perfect Man,
of a reasonable soul in human flesh subsisting;
Equal to the Father, as touching His Godhead;
and inferior to the Father, as touching His Manhood.
Who, although He be God and Man,
yet He is not two, but one Christ;
One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh,
but by taking of the Manhood into God;
One altogether; not by confusion of Substance,
but by unity of Person.
For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man,
so God and Man is one Christ.
Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell,
rose again the third day from the dead.
He ascended into heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God
Almighty,
from whence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
At whose coming all men shall rise with their bodies
and shall give account for their own works.
And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting;
and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully,
he cannot be saved.

=========================================

I'll go R.C. on you for a bit:

[FONT=Verdana,Arial][SIZE=+2]The Death Penalty and Catholic Morality[/SIZE][/FONT]
by J. Christopher Pryor

...In his article, Thomas Roeser claimed that the death penalty should be "severely curtailed" because some people will be found guilty who are innocent and because the Pope believes that humans have a dignity so profound that even if they kill, they should not be punished by death. I do not believe these ideas can stand up to serious scrutiny. If there is a danger of wrongfully convicting a criminal, the system should be fixed, but we should not allow serious offenders to go without appropriate punishment. Instead of looking to novel ways of examining our societal problems, we should look to what the Church has always and infallibly taught both in Sacred Scripture and in Dogma. If the death penalty was just and moral enough for God and the Apostles to order its use, then it should be just and moral enough for 21st Century Americans.
http://www.seattlecatholic.com/article_20030318.html

=======================================

Now I'll go a Baptist on you:

FIRST-PERSON: Death penalty underscores sanctity of human life

Posted on Feb 6, 2003 | by James A. Smith Sr. JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (BP)--The sacredness and intrinsic value of human life demands that a moral society protect the unborn and execute its most heinous murderers. Opposition to abortion and support for the death penalty are not only ethically consistent, they are both required by a biblical worldview.
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?Id=15193

========================================

I am not the only CHRISTIAN who believes in the Death Penalty!!!

Stop lying and saying that I am a heretic for being the only Christian who believes in Capital Punishment.

And now!

Don't you ever tell me not to GLORIFY GOD!!! EVER!

I will give YHVH all the glory HE deserves!!! HE is the rock of my salvation! HE is the lilly of the valley. He is Holy One of Israel!!! He is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is the reason that I am alive and I will praise HIM forever!!! I will give HIM glory forever!!!

If you ever tell me not to glorify GOD again I will report you to the Mods for trying to stop posters from GLORIFYING CHRIST JESUS THE LORD!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! Amen!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! Praise God.

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! He alone is worthy!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! May Christ be praised!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! We bless you forever and ever Lord GOD!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! Proclaim HIS glory!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!!

DrStrangelove · Mar 7, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
I have never once advocated genocide and you know it. You are lying. That makes you a liar. Who is spitting on Messiahs' sacrifice?

I am simply advocating Capital Punishment. Once again, maybe you can't understand a simple concept like this; but here it goes again.

IF <=== you created a New nation (brand new from scratch), and your judicial system carried Capital Punishment for certain crimes; then that government would be justified in carrying out Capital Punishment as long as it was under the rule of GODS laws.

Hence, if they hung a murderer by the neck until dead, they would be justified. However, if they hung a Jew by the neck until dead, just because he was a Jew; then they would not be justified; they would be committing and evil sin.

All the Capital offenses I read off, Murder, Rape, Kidnapping, Abortion (murdering a baby in his mothers womb), and Homosexuality are all Capital Offenses in the Word of God. As far as gangsters, these evil beings are committing murder, rape, drug running, prostitution rings, pimping, armed robbery...ect.. Multiple Capital Offenses there. The New C.S.A. would be a place where all these sins would be crimes that would be Capital Offenses. Hence, you'd get hung for them. That is perfectly consistent with the Word of God.

Therefore I am not now, nor was I ever advocating genocide. Therefore you are a liar. Stop lying. It is sickening and weak.

The GOD of Abraham has set into law Capital Punishment. Like it or not. Deal with it.

I am a Christian and I love God very much. I believe this:

The Apostles' Creed

I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell. [See Calvin]
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
*The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ.

==============================

The Athanasian Creed

Whosoever will be saved,
before all things it is is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith.
Which Faith except everyone do keep whole and undefiled,
without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
And the Catholic Faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity
in Unity,
neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance.
For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son,
and another of the Holy Ghost.
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one,
the Glory equal, the Majesty co-eternal.
Such as the Father is, such is the Son,
and such is the Holy Ghost.
The Father uncreate, the Son uncreate,
and the Holy Ghost uncreate.
The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible,
and the Holy Ghost incomprehensible.
The Father eternal, the Son eternal,
and the Holy Ghost eternal.
And yet they are not three eternals,
but one eternal.
As also there are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated,
but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible.
So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty,
and the Holy Ghost Almighty.
And yet they are not three Almighties,
but one Almighty.
So the Father is God, the Son is God,
and the Holy Ghost is God.
And yet they are not three Gods,
but one God.
So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord,
and the Holy Ghost Lord.
And yet not three Lords,
but one Lord.
For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge ever y
Person by Himself to be both God and Lord,
so we are forbidden by the Catholic Religion, to say, there be three Gods,
or three Lords.
The Father is made of none,
neither created, nor begotten.
The Son is of the Father alone,
not made, nor created, but begotten.
The Holy Ghost is of the Father [and of the Son],
neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.
So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons;
one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts.
And in this Trinity none is afore, or after other; none is greater, or l ess
than another;
but the whole three Persons are co-eternal together and co-equal.
So that in all things, as is aforesaid,
the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.
He therefore that will be saved
must thus think of the Trinity.

Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation
that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ .
For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess,
that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.
God, of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds;
and Man, of the Substance of His Mother, born in the world;
Perfect God and perfect Man,
of a reasonable soul in human flesh subsisting;
Equal to the Father, as touching His Godhead;
and inferior to the Father, as touching His Manhood.
Who, although He be God and Man,
yet He is not two, but one Christ;
One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh,
but by taking of the Manhood into God;
One altogether; not by confusion of Substance,
but by unity of Person.
For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man,
so God and Man is one Christ.
Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell,
rose again the third day from the dead.
He ascended into heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God
Almighty,
from whence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
At whose coming all men shall rise with their bodies
and shall give account for their own works.
And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting;
and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.
This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully,
he cannot be saved.

=========================================

I'll go R.C. on you for a bit:

[FONT=Verdana,Arial][SIZE=+2]The Death Penalty and Catholic Morality[/SIZE][/FONT]
by J. Christopher Pryor

...In his article, Thomas Roeser claimed that the death penalty should be "severely curtailed" because some people will be found guilty who are innocent and because the Pope believes that humans have a dignity so profound that even if they kill, they should not be punished by death. I do not believe these ideas can stand up to serious scrutiny. If there is a danger of wrongfully convicting a criminal, the system should be fixed, but we should not allow serious offenders to go without appropriate punishment. Instead of looking to novel ways of examining our societal problems, we should look to what the Church has always and infallibly taught both in Sacred Scripture and in Dogma. If the death penalty was just and moral enough for God and the Apostles to order its use, then it should be just and moral enough for 21st Century Americans.
http://www.seattlecatholic.com/article_20030318.html

=======================================

Now I'll go a Baptist on you:

FIRST-PERSON: Death penalty underscores sanctity of human life

Posted on Feb 6, 2003 | by James A. Smith Sr. JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (BP)--The sacredness and intrinsic value of human life demands that a moral society protect the unborn and execute its most heinous murderers. Opposition to abortion and support for the death penalty are not only ethically consistent, they are both required by a biblical worldview.
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?Id=15193

========================================

I am not the only CHRISTIAN who believes in the Death Penalty!!!

Stop lying and saying that I am a heretic for being the only Christian who believes in Capital Punishment.

And now!

Don't you ever tell me not to GLORIFY GOD!!! EVER!

I will give YHVH all the glory HE deserves!!! HE is the rock of my salvation! HE is the lilly of the valley. He is Holy One of Israel!!! He is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is the reason that I am alive and I will praise HIM forever!!! I will give HIM glory forever!!!

If you ever tell me not to glorify GOD again I will report you to the Mods for trying to stop posters from GLORIFYING CHRIST JESUS THE LORD!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! Amen!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! Praise God.

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! He alone is worthy!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! May Christ be praised!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! We bless you forever and ever Lord GOD!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! Proclaim HIS glory!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!!

Your jesus & your god are quite a bit different from the others I've heard about here.

Your jesus & your god were mass-murderers, racists & homophobes.
Your jesus & your god cared more for authority than love & kindness.
Your jesus & your god sound too much like you for me to even begin to believe in them.

The real Jesus, be he son of god or not, would cry tears of blood if he saw you. It's like someone taking Ghandi's work and saying that he really meant you should kill all the Pakistanis to united India in whatever way possible.

Sycophant · Mar 7, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
IF <=== you created a New nation (brand new from scratch), and your judicial system carried Capital Punishment for certain crimes; then that government would be justified in carrying out Capital Punishment as long as it was under the rule of GODS laws.

Hence, if they hung a murderer by the neck until dead, they would be justified. However, if they hung a Jew by the neck until dead, just because he was a Jew; then they would not be justified; they would be committing and evil sin.

All the Capital offenses I read off, Murder, Rape, Kidnapping, Abortion (murdering a baby in his mothers womb), and Homosexuality are all Capital Offenses in the Word of God. As far as gangsters, these evil beings are committing murder, rape, drug running, prostitution rings, pimping, armed robbery...ect.. Multiple Capital Offenses there. The New C.S.A. would be a place where all these sins would be crimes that would be Capital Offenses. Hence, you'd get hung for them. That is perfectly consistent with the Word of God.

So all gangsters are guilty of murder, rape, prostitution by virtue of being a gangster? Surely if they break the law anyway they'd already be facing capital punishment...

And where to god's laws speak of prostitution rings, pimping and armed robbery? Also, are you saying the CSA will upload capital pusishment for some offenses (murder, rape, being a gangster) but not all biblical offenses that should result in death (disobeying parents and so much more).

Nathan Poe · Mar 7, 2008

Sycophant said:
Also, are you saying the CSA will upload capital pusishment for some offenses (murder, rape, being a gangster) but not all biblical offenses that should result in death (disobeying parents and so much more).

I don't know if SoF will say this, but I do know that he must, in order to maintain the illusion of a Biblical State.

For if the C.S.A. gets to pick and choose which of the Biblical crimes merit execution and which do not, then the C.S.A. is no longer based on God's laws, but on man's -- SoF's laws, to be specific.

And yet, to not make such distinctions -- to create the perfectly Biblical state -- is not only impossible (as we learn from the NT -- man cannot be saved through the Law, but through Grace), but completely against what the Human leaders of the Biblical world were counting on -- consolidating their own power, just as SoF hopes to do in his C.S.A.

Governments -- be they ancient theocracies like the OT Hebrews, or modern hypothetical theocracies such as the C.S.A., have no power over the innocent, only over the guilty. Governments can flex their muscle on criminals in order to keep the hoi polloi in line, but to do that, they need criminals. Write enough laws so they they are impossible to follow, and eventually everyone becomes a criminal to be potentially exploited -- either externally (through hangings and the threat of hanging) or internally (through their own guilt and fear of divine retribution).

mpok1519 · Mar 7, 2008

SoF>>

If the CSA decides to systematically execute everyone accused of being gay, then it becomes genocide dude.

hanging a ton of people then dumping them into mass graves isn't exactly kosher.

Okay, so you wouldnt hang the lady; but would you hang a twelve year-old caught with heroin?

and if you hang everyone caught with heroin it becomes genocide.

Also, can you eat shrimp in the CSA? I do remember something in the OT that forbids people to eat shrimp....

but I bet SoF LOVEs shrimp! but he feels gay people should die.

You exploit one part of the bible, and you ignore others.

so fig.

ShieldOFaith · Mar 7, 2008

DrStrangelove said:
Your jesus & your god are quite a bit different from the others I've heard about here.

Your jesus & your god were mass-murderers, racists & homophobes.
Your jesus & your god cared more for authority than love & kindness.
Your jesus & your god sound too much like you for me to even begin to believe in them.

The real Jesus, be he son of god or not, would cry tears of blood if he saw you. It's like someone taking Ghandi's work and saying that he really meant you should kill all the Pakistanis to united India in whatever way possible.

You know nothing of Jesus. You have never read the entire Word of God. If you did, you would understand that when GOD drowned every last man woman and child during the flood; He was there. You see, there is only ONE GOD. There are not 3 gods. There is One GOD. HE has manifested Himself in three persons if you will. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. However, there is only One God.

Best way to explain the Trinity that I have ever heard was from Dr. Walter Martin the Bible Answer Man. Ready:

The triple point of water. Put common tap-water into a tube. Put the tube on a holder and place a bunsen burner at one end and place liquid nitrogen on the other. At a certain point the water in the tube will have ice at one end of the tube, the middle will still be liquid, and the other end will turn to steam.

In one tube you have steam/ ice/ liquid water. What is it that you are seeing? H2O. It is all H2O. You are seeing it manifested in three different fashions; but it is all H2O.

There is only 1 GOD. He has manifested Himself in three persons. All persons of the Godhead are GOD. So whatever GOD is doing, Jesus (God the Son) is doing.

God never changes. So He is still the same as He was before the universe was made. He is the same today, yesterday, and forever.

Read the book of Revelation, and you will understand that Jesus is not some limp-wristed wimp. HE is Messiah! HE is the KING of kings.

But remember, you will never fully understand GOD or His Word. You can not without becoming born again.

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. 14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. --1 Cor. 2

SOLI DEO GLORIA.
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mpok1519 · Mar 7, 2008

Hes not a limp-wristed wimp; but Hes loving, and forgiving of our sins.

you can be both, y'know.

Paulos23 · Mar 7, 2008

mpok1519 said:
Hes not a limp-wristed wimp; but Hes loving, and forgiving of our sins.

you can be both, y'know.

I think SoF is short on the forgiveness part. Which may be why his vission of God is short on forgiveness as well.

SallyNow · Mar 8, 2008

I'm starting to get the feeling that women are ignored in this thread.

Would that also be in the new nation of C.S.A?

Would women have equality and freedom as described in the action and quotes of Jesus? Or will women be relageted to second-class citizens?

Will the actions of strong women like the Mary's, Martha, Lydia, Pricilla all be ignored?

Maren · Mar 8, 2008

SallyNow said:
I'm starting to get the feeling that women are ignored in this thread.

Would that also be in the new nation of C.S.A?

Would women have equality and freedom as described in the action and quotes of Jesus? Or will women be relageted to second-class citizens?

Will the actions of strong women like the Mary's, Martha, Lydia, Pricilla all be ignored?

No, they won't be ignored. My guess is that they would be rounded up and either executed or confined to a "reeducation" center.

TheReasoner · Mar 8, 2008

ShieldOFaith said:
Do you even know what this means?

Once again, research a word before you use it out of context. Thanks.

SOLI DEO GLORIA.

Yes, unlike you I have read books. Oh, and I have also read articles on it on Wikipedia and debated your stance offline, to which there was a unanimous conclusion that the word heretic fit you like a glove. That and quite a few other words.

ShieldOFaith said:
I have never once advocated genocide and you know it. You are lying. That makes you a liar. Who is spitting on Messiahs' sacrifice?

You ARE advocating genocide. Read the definition of the word, Shield.
genocide |ˈjenəˌsīd|
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

You want to kill all homosexuals in your nation. You want to kill a lot of others with them. You're promoting religious cleansing with blood as a detergent.
You have STRONGLY claimed that what laws in the bible hold the death penalty should do so in the CSA. With this claim, you EQUALLY STRONGLY not only spit on Christ's sacrifice - saying that His blood and life is not enough to cleanse a human from his sins. But you're ALSO advocating MASS KILLINGS, WHICH EQUALS GENOCIDE!

Stop calling me a liar for calling you what you are, Shield. Wake up and smell the brimstone man!

That IS genocide. It's the definition of genocide. You can call it sending them to teletubbyland for all I care, it's STILL genocide!

ShieldOFaith said:
Posted on Feb 6, 2003 | by James A. Smith Sr. JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (BP)--The sacredness and intrinsic value of human life demands that a moral society protect the unborn and execute its most heinous murderers. Opposition to abortion and support for the death penalty are not only ethically consistent, they are both required by a biblical worldview.
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?Id=15193

And where does it say anything at all about genocide?

Besides, how on earth do you justify killing someone for one sin, but not another which holds the same punishment. Aren't you obese, and are you not thus condemned to death by the bible for your gluttony?

ShieldOFaith said:
I am not the only CHRISTIAN who believes in the Death Penalty!!!

Stop lying and saying that I am a heretic for being the only Christian who believes in Capital Punishment.

You have a big mouth. And you're exceptionally arrogant.
I don't call you a heretic because you want capital punishment. I call you a heretic because you're a heretic. Because you promote hatred, not love. Because you proclaim that genocide is glorious and godly.

ShieldOFaith said:
Don't you ever tell me not to GLORIFY GOD!!! EVER!

I will give YHVH all the glory HE deserves!!! HE is the rock of my salvation! HE is the lilly of the valley. He is Holy One of Israel!!! He is the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He is the reason that I am alive and I will praise HIM forever!!! I will give HIM glory forever!!!

If you ever tell me not to glorify GOD again I will report you to the Mods for trying to stop posters from GLORIFYING CHRIST JESUS THE LORD!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! Amen!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! Praise God.

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! He alone is worthy!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! May Christ be praised!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! We bless you forever and ever Lord GOD!!!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!! Proclaim HIS glory!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!!!

I never asked anyone not to glorify God. I asked you not to use His name in vain. But much like Hitler had "Gott Mit Unds" printed on all his soldiers' belt buckles, what you are doing is an insult and I consider it blasphemy. Like Hitler did, you want to justify a stance so evil it could have been made by the devil himself, and you try to justify it by doing lip-service to God. If anything ever was taking His name in vain, this is it. To call upon Him with your lips while renouncing all that He is, trampling on His design, spitting on His plans with your dreams, hopes and plans. If it is not wicked to do the worst evil man can possibly do and proclaim how good it is with your mouth, then I don't know what wicked is.

How would you feel about someone who glorifies God with his lips while raping his own mother? Not only that, but glorifying God for the glory of the rape?
THAT'S what you're doing. And THAT'S what I have asked you to stop doing. Oh sure, you'll probably conjure up some vomit some comment about how you've never raped anyone, well, you're raping Christ Shield.

If you want to glorify Him, shut your mouth and start acting the part. You're talking about glory only going to God, about only Him being worthy of it, and then you ignore what He has asked for in terms of glorification! You don't show love, you show hate. You don't show mercy or compassion, you show condemnation. You don't show forgiveness, you show a desire for bloody vengeance.
Where is your devotion Shield? Are you devoted enough to kill? Well, that's obvious, but are you devoted enough to FORGIVE? To show MERCY, COMPASSION, LOVE? Or are you so perverted you think killing people IS merciful? That it IS forgiving?

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