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[Jerrell]

I hope you will go on, because I fail to see the connection between evolution and panspermia.

There are those that propose that Aliens evolved millions if not billions of years before us and gained great knowledge over time. So then they came to create human beings and placed them on earth and are now watching them. Number 1) For Aliens to exist you either have to believe they evolved into existance or that God created them. 2) The bible only accounts for the creation of the UNiverse and living beings ON EARTH. Since the bible nowhere mentions the creation of aliens we cannot teach RELIGIOUSLY that aliens created human beings and then reconcile it to God. Now I am not coming to say that it is a 100% chance that aliens do not exist, but I am saying that God did not have it written down in his word and therefore we cannot and should never try and put theory into his mouth. God is not theory he is fact. Number 3) Did God create us or did aliens? Number 4) Some propose that God is a Alien- this is stupid since a alien could not have created the Universe. And the list could go on and on...

 

[Mallon]

It strikes me that maybe you're the one putting words into peoples' mouths, Jarrell. Nobody here is arguing half the things you've denounced.
I'm also still not understanding the connection you've drawn between panspermia and evolution, when by your own admission you allow for creation of both aliens and humans. Strikes me that panspermia is an idea completely independent of evolution.

 

[BjorkIsCool]

There are those that propose that Aliens evolved millions if not billions of years before us and gained great knowledge over time. So then they came to create human beings and placed them on earth and are now watching them. Number 1) For Aliens to exist you either have to believe they evolved into existance or that God created them. 2) The bible only accounts for the creation of the UNiverse and living beings ON EARTH. Since the bible nowhere mentions the creation of aliens we cannot teach RELIGIOUSLY that aliens created human beings and then reconcile it to God. Now I am not coming to say that it is a 100% chance that aliens do not exist, but I am saying that God did not have it written down in his word and therefore we cannot and should never try and put theory into his mouth. God is not theory he is fact. Number 3) Did God create us or did aliens? Number 4) Some propose that God is a Alien- this is stupid since a alien could not have created the Universe. And the list could go on and on...

Why do you put so much emphasis on the Bible? The Bible is just a book. I believe in a divine being and Jesus, but find it hard to believe that a book has survived 4000 years untouched/unedited, with us humans around, though could easily accept it. But then again i dont have to, i believe in Jesus.

I am just saying, and i respect your total belief in the Bible as pure and unadulterated word of God.

 

[BjorkIsCool]

I don't know about the OP so much. I went back and re-read it and it seems unclear as to what the question was.

Ok it is a bit unclear. Hope this helps:

A divine being creates the universe and life evolves on planets. Life on a certain planet advances to a very very high level e.g. can inter space travel. Could this life then have come to earth and found it budding with life, but no intelligent life. Then for whatever purpose, they create humans, pretty much as how we look now.

I think this is possible in theory because even our scientists can create life to a degree; and all the argunments about whether we evolved. How advanced is humanity currently, we can advance further, probably.

Though I dont believe this is what happened because what hard evidence is there?

But yes be a philosopher, question.

 

[busterdog]

I am just saying, and i respect your total belief in the Bible as pure and unadulterated word of God.

Much appreciated.

 

[Jerrell]

Why do you put so much emphasis on the Bible? The Bible is just a book. I believe in a divine being and Jesus, but find it hard to believe that a book has survived 4000 years untouched/unedited, with us humans around, though could easily accept it. But then again i dont have to, i believe in Jesus.

I am just saying, and i respect your total belief in the Bible as pure and unadulterated word of God.

The whole reason you can beleive in Jesus is because of the worsd written is "that book."

 

[Jerrell]

It strikes me that maybe you're the one putting words into peoples' mouths, Jarrell. Nobody here is arguing half the things you've denounced.
I'm also still not understanding the connection you've drawn between panspermia and evolution, when by your own admission you allow for creation of both aliens and humans. Strikes me that panspermia is an idea completely independent of evolution.

I apologize if I went on a little rant. But I was merely stating the whole topic as some people see it. I was not putting words in people's mouths. People actually believe that stuff. Moreover since I kind've went off topic I won't continue to comment on the connection to evolution. That is appropriate for other places on this site.

 

[Tiberius]

If we are to claim that life on Earth is so complex that it could have only come from some intelligent designer, and then we claim that the intelligent designer was an alien, that simply changes the question from "Where did life on Earth come from?" to "Where did life on the alien's planet come from?"

If we say that life on the alien planet came about by itself, then we can use occam's Razor to eliminate the middleman and claim that life on earth came about by itself as well.

The only way to avoid doing this is to claim that the intelligent designer is God, which makes ID nothing more than creationism.

 

[busterdog]

There are those that propose that Aliens evolved millions if not billions of years before us and gained great knowledge over time. So then they came to create human beings and placed them on earth and are now watching them. Number 1) For Aliens to exist you either have to believe they evolved into existance or that God created them. 2) The bible only accounts for the creation of the UNiverse and living beings ON EARTH. Since the bible nowhere mentions the creation of aliens we cannot teach RELIGIOUSLY that aliens created human beings and then reconcile it to God. Now I am not coming to say that it is a 100% chance that aliens do not exist, but I am saying that God did not have it written down in his word and therefore we cannot and should never try and put theory into his mouth. God is not theory he is fact. Number 3) Did God create us or did aliens? Number 4) Some propose that God is a Alien- this is stupid since a alien could not have created the Universe. And the list could go on and on...

Very well said on right on point with this thread.

 

[busterdog]

If we are to claim that life on Earth is so complex that it could have only come from some intelligent designer, and then we claim that the intelligent designer was an alien, that simply changes the question from "Where did life on Earth come from?" to "Where did life on the alien's planet come from?"

If we say that life on the alien planet came about by itself, then we can use occam's Razor to eliminate the middleman and claim that life on earth came about by itself as well.

The only way to avoid doing this is to claim that the intelligent designer is God, which makes ID nothing more than creationism.

Makes sense. Certain questions exist outside the resolution power of human analysis. One reason we are creationists is because titrating is not the same as theology, but sometimes its seems people think they can analyze at will. Origins questions are necessarily theological questions. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Not the analysis of rocks, but fear.

 

[Tiberius]

Makes sense. Certain questions exist outside the resolution power of human analysis. One reason we are creationists is because titrating is not the same as theology, but sometimes its seems people think they can analyze at will. Origins questions are necessarily theological questions. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Not the analysis of rocks, but fear.

Why are origins questions by neccessity theological? granted, science doesn't have the full picture yet, but why do you think science never will?

And how in the world do you get that fear of God is the beginning of knowledge?

 

[Melethiel]

Makes sense. Certain questions exist outside the resolution power of human analysis. One reason we are creationists is because titrating is not the same as theology, but sometimes its seems people think they can analyze at will. Origins questions are necessarily theological questions. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge. Not the analysis of rocks, but fear.

Actually, the quote goes "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Wisdom and knowledge aren't the same thing.

 

[Jerrell]

If we are to claim that life on Earth is so complex that it could have only come from some intelligent designer, and then we claim that the intelligent designer was an alien, that simply changes the question from "Where did life on Earth come from?" to "Where did life on the alien's planet come from?"

If we say that life on the alien planet came about by itself, then we can use occam's Razor to eliminate the middleman and claim that life on earth came about by itself as well.

The only way to avoid doing this is to claim that the intelligent designer is God, which makes ID nothing more than creationism.

Your Icon says you are an Atheist. But while I was reading your comment I thought you were Christian...

This reminds me of a Bible verse but this discussion is not approiate for this thread . I will try to refrain myself...

 

[Jerrell]

Why are origins questions by neccessity theological? granted, science doesn't have the full picture yet, but why do you think science never will?

And how in the world do you get that fear of God is the beginning of knowledge?

True Science is thoery and equations based on observation through experiments. Science cannot and never has observed creation. Therefore to be logical to try and explain creation scientifically (without God) is a religous teaching within itself.

Concerning the fear of God. First you must realize exactaly who HE is. You must respect him, adore him, whorship him, and devote yourself to him. He is not to be trifled with because he can do anything that he wishes. The universe is at his command. But he willingly chooses to sit back and allow is to make the choice, he sent Jesus and showed his love and compassion, not his anger and power to force us to devote ourselves. We have to choose to say yes, we have to choose to say okay God, I respect(fear) you.

 

[Tiberius]

You are only half right. While science can be based on observation through experimentation, that is only one of the things it is based on. It can also be based on evidence. There is evidence of the formation of the universe, such as the cosmic background microwave radiation.

And I still don't see how your fearing God bit leads to knowledge. it really just sounds like you are saying that we should fear God and treat him the way he tells us to. That isn't gaining knowledge.

 

[Mallon]

True Science is thoery and equations based on observation through experiments.

Origins science is based on observation through experiments. It's not as though scienists came up with the Big Bang theory or evolutionary theory on a whim. These theories are based on observations anyone can make for themselves, tried, tested, and true.

 

[Tinker Grey]

And the tired but true analogy, is forensics not science?

 

[Jerrell]

You are only half right. While science can be based on observation through experimentation, that is only one of the things it is based on. It can also be based on evidence. There is evidence of the formation of the universe, such as the cosmic background microwave radiation.

And I still don't see how your fearing God bit leads to knowledge. it really just sounds like you are saying that we should fear God and treat him the way he tells us to. That isn't gaining knowledge.

Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is the effort to discover, and increase human understanding of how the physical world works. Through controlled methods, science uses observable physical evidence of natural phenomena to collect data, and analyzes this information to explain what and how things work. Such methods include experimentation that tries to simulate natural phenomena under controlled conditions and thought experiments. Knowledge in science is gained through research.


I have studied other explainations for creation before none of them stands up to me like the Biblical account. You might respond by saying that is because you are Christian. But it is because of the Holy Spirit and what he does for those who beleive.

As far as fearing God. To fear God, to adore him is to show that you have great wisdom within yourself. Mainly because you are smart enough to DO WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO and WHAT YOU WERE CREATED TO DO. That is wisdom. However, if we serve God and are saved by the blood of Christ we cannot phatom the knowledge we shall gain when we enter into glory.

 

[Jerrell]

Origins science is based on observation through experiments. It's not as though scienists came up with the Big Bang theory or evolutionary theory on a whim. These theories are based on observations anyone can make for themselves, tried, tested, and true.

No one can really experiment the big bang or evolution. You cannot really observe the intial big bang;morever, that leaves to question where did that dot of all matter come from? Concerning evolution the fossil record shows NO EVOLUTION, over time it shows completely different species popping up but NO Inter-evolution species. Consider the facts that dinosaurs(mainly fish and insects) thought to be extinct still exist today in the VERY SAME FORM as millions of years ago. I would go on but I don't think this thread is about evolution or big bang it's about Aliens....

 

[Jerrell]

Creation is not something you can observe like in the science of forensics. No one can really observe evolution. Darwin merely shaw differences in species and made a theory as to how they came about (that is a simple statement). Now tell me did modern animals evolve from dinosaurs before or after the dinosaurs went extinct?