Crea-volution: the concept of Creation adapting to Evolution.

Gottservant · Apr 16, 2022

Larnievc said:
No. That’s just you not believing that evolution happens. I don’t quite know the reason for that but from the years I’ve been here reading your posts I’d guess it’s because you don’t comprehend how evolution works.

The greatest thing any Creature can do, is be productive, the way its God would be productive.

That is the sum of every example of intent I have demonstrated here.

No one accuses me of not understanding math; no one accuses me of not understanding philosophy; no one accuses me of not understanding art - yet for some reason, when I say "how does Evolution work, what should I expect?" I get told "Evolution does not require you to expect anything, why are you so obstinate?"

At some point you are going to have to admit, that in terms of productivity, Evolution is no more efficacious than Creation or simply choosing a mate and bringing up young?

I'm not going to say to you "you should bring up your kids to believe in Creation and not Evolution" that just doesn't make sense - the warning is, there are some things Creation can never agree with Evolution on and while that is the case, the two of them must be kept at a distance.

You may close the distance - I am trying to help - but if not, the will of God be what it will.

Larniavc · Apr 16, 2022

Gottservant said:
The greatest thing any Creature can do, is be productive, the way its God would be productive.

That is the sum of every example of intent I have demonstrated here.

No. This is just your opinion.

Larniavc · Apr 16, 2022

Gottservant said:
when I say "how does Evolution work, what should I expect?"

But you don’t ask or get told that.

Larniavc · Apr 16, 2022

Gottservant said:
At some point you are going to have to admit, that in terms of productivity, Evolution is no more efficacious than Creation or simply choosing a mate and bringing up young?

It’s not about productivity. You made that up.

Larniavc · Apr 16, 2022

Gottservant said:
there are some things Creation can never agree with Evolution on and while that is the case, the two of them must be kept at a distance.

True. Because Creation by supernatural means is not real.

Bungle_Bear · Apr 16, 2022

Gottservant said:
Yes but listen to what you are saying:

Evolution is "this" meaning "always something else".

How is it my fault if I can't understand that? It is defined as self-contradictory?

@Shemjaza has provided a definition:

Shemjaza said:
change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations

Do you understand what it means? Are you prepared to listen and learn?

Next time you want to tell us "Evolution says <blah>" look at the definition above. If <blah> is not compatible with the definition then you will be guilty of trolling.

Gottservant · Apr 17, 2022

Bungle_Bear said:
@Shemjaza has provided a definition:

Do you understand what it means? Are you prepared to listen and learn?

Shemjaza said:
change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations

Yes, but which change, why heritable, how much characteristic, to what end biological, for how great a population over successive generations believing what?

Next time you want to tell us "Evolution says <blah>" look at the definition above. If <blah> is not compatible with the definition then you will be guilty of trolling.

Why prescribe a text, when Evolution claims to be "just an observation".

Are you saying "its moral" to maintain the text of Evolution, because the difference is spiritually empowering? Or are you saying conviction is irrelevant, now that Darwin has contextualised conviction to natural orders?

Hans Blaster · Apr 17, 2022

Gottservant said:
The greatest thing any Creature can do, is be productive, the way its God would be productive.

Do all creature have gods? (I don't.) I don't think my cat had a god. (I was certainly not her god, perhaps her servant.)

Gottservant said:
That is the sum of every example of intent I have demonstrated here.

Like most things you "demonstrate" this does not make sense to anyone else. (There is no "intent" in evolution, FYI.)

Gottservant said:
No one accuses me of not understanding math; no one accuses me of not understanding philosophy; no one accuses me of not understanding art - yet for some reason, when I say "how does Evolution work, what should I expect?" I get told "Evolution does not require you to expect anything, why are you so obstinate?"

I don't recall you ever using math in one of these threads, so nothing to criticize. Perhaps your math is good, perhaps not, we just don't know or have reason to comment.

There is no reason to bring philosophy or art into any of this, so no need to comment on it.

As you have been told over and over, you map some (incomprehensible) ideas of your own on to the word "evolution" and then wonder why the rest of us think you are making things up. (It's because you are just making things up.) If you want to have a conversation either learn what evolution actually claims, etc., OR, ask questions and *STOP* claiming things to be evolution that no one else considers to be evolution.

Gottservant · Apr 18, 2022

Hans Blaster said:
Do all creature have gods? (I don't.) I don't think my cat had a god. (I was certainly not her god, perhaps her servant.)

Like most things you "demonstrate" this does not make sense to anyone else. (There is no "intent" in evolution, FYI.)

I don't recall you ever using math in one of these threads, so nothing to criticize. Perhaps your math is good, perhaps not, we just don't know or have reason to comment.

There is no reason to bring philosophy or art into any of this, so no need to comment on it.

As you have been told over and over, you map some (incomprehensible) ideas of your own on to the word "evolution" and then wonder why the rest of us think you are making things up. (It's because you are just making things up.) If you want to have a conversation either learn what evolution actually claims, etc., OR, ask questions and *STOP* claiming things to be evolution that no one else considers to be evolution.

I have faith.

Faith can be exchanged.

Stop prohibiting me exchanging faith!

BPPLEE · Apr 19, 2022

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

So you have two concepts, Creation and Evolution. This is fine, as long as you don't try to remove one or the other in the name of its opposite. The mistake is to think that one being right, the other is wrong. How do we navigate this? My suggestion, is to create a concept that specifically describes the attempt of one to accomodate or interact with the other. Creation wanting to serve the more greatly, I suggest putting Evolution first and forcing Creation to accomodate the first. Creation in part, needs to adapt to Evolution.

For this adaptation, I have coined the concept "Crea-volution" it is the idea, that Creation has a specific response asked of it, by Evolution. Creation needs to understand, Evolution. Creation needs to trust, Evolution. Creation needs to rework, Evolution. All these things change Creation's extenuation (in an Evolutionary way). Crea-volution, then, is an attempt not to avoid sacrifice, but to minimize it, where adaptation can make a greater impact, in the end. This is advantageous for Creation, because it makes possible greater diversity, of those things that Creation finds foundational.

The advantage of this concept, for Evolution, is that it describes the limitation of its prey, to change from what it has already manifest, being Creation. Crea-volution may accomodate some of what Evolution does, but it cannot accomodate everything. This is not a failing, it just means that once Evolution has been tolerated for what it is, it will be tolerated no further - the next generation must be free, or surrender to the current generation of Evolution is bankrupt and not able to be justified. It is then, an age old battle, to begin with to see how much Creation can Crea-evolve, before Evolution strikes to claim its part in nature's groaning. If it goes well, then well, if not, both will die out, as each resists difference being explored.

What do you think? He that hears to hear, let him hear?

Are you strong enough to accomodate Creation, as Creation is here accomodating Evolution?

You can't merge two things that are mutually exclusive

Hans Blaster · Apr 19, 2022

Gottservant said:
I have faith.

Cool. Good for you. Your faith doesn't matter to me, but I'm OK with it mattering to you.

Gottservant said:
Faith can be exchanged.

Stop prohibiting me exchanging faith!

Exchanged? For what? I'm not sure what this has to do with anything and I'm not trying to stop you exchanging your faith for something else if you want. I'm only objecting to your inane claims about evolution.

BNR32FAN · Apr 19, 2022

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

So you have two concepts, Creation and Evolution. This is fine, as long as you don't try to remove one or the other in the name of its opposite. The mistake is to think that one being right, the other is wrong. How do we navigate this? My suggestion, is to create a concept that specifically describes the attempt of one to accomodate or interact with the other. Creation wanting to serve the more greatly, I suggest putting Evolution first and forcing Creation to accomodate the first. Creation in part, needs to adapt to Evolution.

For this adaptation, I have coined the concept "Crea-volution" it is the idea, that Creation has a specific response asked of it, by Evolution. Creation needs to understand, Evolution. Creation needs to trust, Evolution. Creation needs to rework, Evolution. All these things change Creation's extenuation (in an Evolutionary way). Crea-volution, then, is an attempt not to avoid sacrifice, but to minimize it, where adaptation can make a greater impact, in the end. This is advantageous for Creation, because it makes possible greater diversity, of those things that Creation finds foundational.

The advantage of this concept, for Evolution, is that it describes the limitation of its prey, to change from what it has already manifest, being Creation. Crea-volution may accomodate some of what Evolution does, but it cannot accomodate everything. This is not a failing, it just means that once Evolution has been tolerated for what it is, it will be tolerated no further - the next generation must be free, or surrender to the current generation of Evolution is bankrupt and not able to be justified. It is then, an age old battle, to begin with to see how much Creation can Crea-evolve, before Evolution strikes to claim its part in nature's groaning. If it goes well, then well, if not, both will die out, as each resists difference being explored.

What do you think? He that hears to hear, let him hear?

Are you strong enough to accomodate Creation, as Creation is here accomodating Evolution?

Creation is just another of one of God’s miracles that is not intended to be understood or explained by science.

Hans Blaster · Apr 19, 2022

BNR32FAN said:
Creation is just another of one of God’s miracles that is not intended to be understood or explained by science.

Would you mind if the rest of us tried to understand it? You can keep calling it a miracle if you like. I don't mind.

Crea-volution: the concept of Creation adapting to Evolution.

Which is greater?

Evolution accomodating Creation

Creation accomodating Evolution

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