Covenant Renewal

[BABerean2]

Are there excuses? Yes, plenty, but I think I have already heard them all before, unless of course you surprise me with something brand new, (neos).

The text below is almost 2,000 years old and kills the doctrine you are trying to promote here.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

If you want to hang onto the "bondwoman", then go ahead.

The rest of us are children of the free.

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[klutedavid]

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.


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Set free from the yoke of the law, released from the yoke of condemnation. Amen.

 

[daq]

The text below is almost 2,000 years old and kills the doctrine you are trying to promote here.

The text below is the very first miracle performed by the Son of God and kills the doctrine you are promulgating for your favorite teachers of men.

John 2:1-11 KJV
1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: ( but the servants which drew the water knew; ) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

These six stone water cisterns would have been about two-thirds full if they had two or three firkins apiece still in them: for other similar cisterns have been discovered, so we know pretty much the size and what they held, (a firkin is about nine gallons).

Were the cisterns emptied out? No, the cisterns were not emptied out, and yet they were still about two-thirds full with the water of the purification of the Yhudim.

And what does the Master command? Fill them up with fresh water, (which of course would be considered neos-new water). And what is the result? The attendants filled them back up to the brims: and the new water mixed with the water of the purification of the Yhudim became wine. And this is the "good wine" or best wine, and in fact, the very first miracle recorded in the Gospel accounts. Not only that, but the text plainly states that this was the beginning of the miracles, so no doubt it was the first miracle.

So much for not mixing the covenants, eh? Who am I to believe? biased antinomian teachers of men or the Son of God?

The wine skin is the heart, which of course must be circumcised, and thus it is kainos-renewed, not neos totally brand new. The wine is a mixture of the old and the neos-new in this case: for the Testimony of the Messiah is the neos brand new Testimony never before fully heard until he came. However it doesn't replace what was before, no, his Testimony rather fully expounds the Torah, Prophets, and Writings, which testimonies came before but were incomplete.

Matthew 13:34-35 KJV
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Matthew 13:51-52 KJV
51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

 

[BABerean2]

The text below is the very first miracle performed by the Son of God and kills the doctrine you are promulgating for your favorite teachers of men.

John 2:1-11 KJV
1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: ( but the servants which drew the water knew; ) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

These six stone water cisterns would have been about two-thirds full if they had two or three firkins apiece still in them: for other similar cisterns have been discovered, so we know pretty much the size and what they held, (a firkin is about nine gallons).

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Were the cisterns emptied out? No, the cisterns were not emptied out, and yet they were still about two-thirds full with the water of the purification of the Yhudim.

And what does the Master command? Fill them up with fresh water, (which of course would be considered neos-new water). And what is the result? The attendants filled them back up to the brims: and the new water mixed with the water of the purification of the Yhudim became wine. And this is the "good wine" or best wine, and in fact, the very first miracle recorded in the Gospel accounts. Not only that, but the text plainly states that this was the beginning of the miracles, so no doubt it was the first miracle.

So much for not mixing the covenants, eh? Who am I to believe? biased antinomian teachers of men or the Son of God?

The wine skin is the heart, which of course must be circumcised, and thus it is kainos-renewed, not neos totally brand new. The wine is a mixture of the old and the neos-new in this case: for the Testimony of the Messiah is the neos brand new Testimony never before fully heard until he came. However it doesn't replace what was before, no, his Testimony rather fully expounds the Torah, Prophets, and Writings, which testimonies came before but were incomplete.

Matthew 13:34-35 KJV
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Matthew 13:51-52 KJV
51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.
52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

Please forgive me, but I am having trouble understanding how this passage erases 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Galatians 3:16-29, and Galatians 4:24-31, and Hebrews 12:18-24.
These passages reveal the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant and reveal the contrast between the Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant.


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[daq]

Please forgive me, but I am having trouble understanding how this passage erases 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Galatians 3:16-29, and Galatians 4:24-31, and Hebrews 12:18-24.
These passages reveal the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant and reveal the contrast between the Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant.

If your understanding of Paul overturns the miracles and teachings of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts then your understanding of Paul is incorrect.

 

[daq]

Forget what is found in Exodus 34:28, and Deuteronomy 5:1-3.

Instead, we have what you say

Thank God that we have the Word of God so that the unbiased witnesses here can judge the truth for themselves.

All man-made doctrines are revealed by what must be ignored to make it work.

What happened to Paul? What if I am saying what he says? Who therefore is ignoring so much of what he actually says to formulate his own man-made doctrine? Yes. thank God we have the Word of God so that unbiased witnesses here can judge the truth for themselves.

Salvation is of the Yhudim and the Father must be worshiped and honored in Spirit. If you walk according to the flesh you will die.

John 4:22-24 KJV
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

True circumcision and true Yhudim according to Paul:

Romans 2:28-29 KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

True Yisrael and true children of Abraham according to Paul:

Romans 9:1-8 KJV
1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,
2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Walk according to the Spirit: for if you walk according to the flesh you will die.

Romans 8:4-14 KJV
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Revelation 2:8-9 KJV
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Poor partially blind Ephraim, a heifer that loves to tread out the grain, and when the fullness of the heathen have entered in, then shall come out of Zion the Deliverer: for in this manner shall all Yisrael be delivered.

 

[BABerean2]

What happened to Paul? What if I am saying what he says?

You are not saying what Paul said below.
As a matter of fact, you are denying what Paul said about the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

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[daq]

You are not saying what Paul said below.
As a matter of fact, you are denying what Paul said about the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".

No, I am denying what you claim that it means: which is a huge difference that you do not appear to be able to grasp. Moreover I have already given a full understanding of that passage which entirely disagrees with your view, and you have ignored it, and cannot keep yourself from reposting the same thing over and over and over again as if I have not responded to it.

That which you keep saying works both ways: anyone can see and read for themselves on the first page of this thread that your repost after repost of the same passage has already been responded to.

 

[BABerean2]

No, I am denying what you claim that it means: which is a huge difference that you do not appear to be able to grasp. Moreover I have already given a full understanding of that passage which entirely disagrees with your view, and you have ignored it, and cannot keep yourself from reposting the same thing over and over and over again as if I have not responded to it.

That which you keep saying works both ways: anyone can see and read for themselves on the first page of this thread that your repost after repost of the same passage has already been responded to.

If you continue to claim the Apostle Paul did not compare the Sinai Covenant to "bondage", and you also claim Paul did not tell the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of bondage in Galatians 4:24-31, what do you expect me to do?

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[daq]

If you continue to claim the Apostle Paul did not compare the Sinai Covenant to "bondage", and you also claim Paul did not tell the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of bondage in Galatians 4:24-31, what do you expect me to do?

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You have ignored most everything in this thread: how is that my fault? Deleting, abolishing, or doing away with the covenant doesn't remove the vail over the heart, mind, and eyes, when a person reads the covenant: it only serves to harden the heart. As long as one continues to view the covenant according to the natural mind of the natural man, just as the Pharisees and Sadducees, the same cannot please Elohim, for such a one walks according to the flesh, and therefore the covenant has not been renewed for that person, (for it is to each in his own appointed times as already explained).

Moreover the covenant passage quoted in Hebrews 8 from Jeremiah 31 is a renewed covenant to the house of Yisrael and the house of Yhudah, which you, at least so far, have not claimed to belong to: so I don't see much reason for you to be so insistent upon the incorrect things you keep insisting upon.

 

[klutedavid]

You have ignored most everything in this thread: how is that my fault? Deleting, abolishing, or doing away with the covenant doesn't remove the vail over the heart, mind, and eyes, when a person reads the covenant: it only serves to harden the heart. As long as one continues to view the covenant according to the natural mind of the natural man, just as the Pharisees and Sadducees, the same cannot please Elohim, for such a one walks according to the flesh, and therefore the covenant has not been renewed for that person, (for it is to each in his own appointed times as already explained).

Moreover the covenant passage quoted in Hebrews 8 from Jeremiah 31 is a renewed covenant to the house of Yisrael and the house of Yhudah, which you, at least so far, have not claimed to belong to: so I don't see much reason for you to be so insistent upon the incorrect things you keep insisting upon.

Please consider the following passage.

Galatians 5:1-6
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery (the law). Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised (law), Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised (law), that he is obligated to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace. For we, through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

The yoke of slavery (the law) is opposed to the grace of God in Christ Jesus.

We receive salvation as a free gift by believing in Jesus Christ (Romans 9-13).

If you attempt to obey the law or any part of the law, then you have fallen from grace.

 

[daq]

Please consider the following passage.

Galatians 5:1-6
It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery (the law). Look! I, Paul, tell you that if you have yourselves circumcised (law), Christ will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who has himself circumcised (law), that he is obligated to keep the whole Law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace. For we, through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.

The yoke of slavery (the law) is opposed to the grace of God in Christ Jesus.

We receive salvation as a free gift by believing in Jesus Christ (Romans 9-13).

If you attempt to obey the law or any part of the law, then you have fallen from grace.

The yoke of slavery is not the Torah but the carnal minded handwritten ordinances, dogmas, decrees, and injunctions of the Sanhedrin, Elders, Pharisees, Scribes, and Lawyers, which began with physical circumcision for the proselyte as a seal and sign that the initiate will continue in all the teachings of the Pharisees. Those are the things which were overturned by the Messiah in his Testimony in the Gospel accounts, and then nailed to the stake just as Paul says and teaches, all those incorrect teachings and interpretations of the covenant which were against the people. Study Matthew 5 in a little more depth and see that the Master overturns not the Torah but the incorrect interpretations of the Torah handed down by "those of old time", (some of which included "the tradition of the Elders", one in particular which is mentioned in the Gospel accounts, concerning the Pharisee practice of the washing of hands, which is actually quite an involved ritual).

 

[klutedavid]

The yoke of slavery is not the Torah but the carnal minded handwritten ordinances, dogmas, decrees, and injunctions of the Sanhedrin, Elders, Pharisees, Scribes, and Lawyers, which began with physical circumcision for the proselyte as a seal and sign that the initiate will continue in all the teachings of the Pharisees. Those are the things which were overturned by the Messiah in his Testimony in the Gospel accounts, and then nailed to the stake just as Paul says and teaches, all those incorrect teachings and interpretations of the covenant which were against the people. Study Matthew 5 in a little more depth and see that the Master overturns not the Torah but the incorrect interpretations of the Torah handed down by "those of old time", (some of which included "the tradition of the Elders", one in particular which is mentioned in the Gospel accounts, concerning the Pharisee practice of the washing of hands, which is actually quite an involved ritual).

Notice the verse below does not say, what you say.

You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace.

BY THE LAW

 

[daq]

Notice the verse below does not say, what you say.

You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace.

BY THE LAW

I didn't say that it doesn't say what it says but you sure did an excellent job slaying your strawman.

Galatians 2:16 KJV
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

If you had actually heard* what I have previously said concerning "the works of the law" you would not have assumed what you mistakenly did.

*To hear with intelligence and understanding.

Again, "the works of the law" is an idiom for the outward Pharisee way of understanding everything according to the natural mind of the natural man who sees all things according to the flesh and eyes and mind of the flesh. The "works of the law" begin with physical circumcision, and continue with all the outward teachings of the Pharisaic way of understanding, which is the wrong interpretation of the Torah according to the Testimony of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts.

Romans 2:28-29 ASV
28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh:
29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 15:8-9 ASV
8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,
9 and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, Therefore will I give praise unto thee among the Gentiles, And sing unto thy name.

Philippians 3:3 ASV
3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh:

 

[klutedavid]

I didn't say that it doesn't say what it says but you sure did an excellent job slaying your strawman.

Galatians 2:16 KJV
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

If you had actually heard* what I have previously said concerning "the works of the law" you would not have assumed what you mistakenly did.

*To hear with intelligence and understanding.

Again, "the works of the law" is an idiom for the outward Pharisee way of understanding everything according to the natural mind of the natural man who sees all things according to the flesh and eyes and mind of the flesh. The "works of the law" begin with physical circumcision, and continue with all the outward teachings of the Pharisaic way of understanding, which is the wrong interpretation of the Torah according to the Testimony of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts.

The main problem you have is the law was designed for the natural man.

Thou shall not commit adultery. Reads exactly as it's written. you cannot interpret that law.

The works of the law are all attempts at obedience to the law, sabbath, feasts, etc.

The Pharisees have nothing to with the written law.

 

[daq]

The main problem you have is the law was designed for the natural man.

Romans 7:14 KJV
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Thou shall not commit adultery. Reads exactly as it's written. you cannot interpret that law.

Everything you read is interpreted in your mind. A strictly natural man outward reading of the commandment is not enough: and I am not the one who interprets it in the following passage.

Matthew 5:27-30 KJV
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Now therefore how do you yourself interpret verses twenty-nine through thirty in the statement above?

The works of the law are all attempts at obedience to the law, sabbath, feasts, etc.

That's your opinion: I disagree and have already explained why on several occasions including here in this thread. The "works of the law" are outward things done with the body: your members, eye for eye, hand for hand, foot for foot, you are admonished to cut them off if they cause you to stumble. However I am pretty sure you have not resisted unto blood in striving against sin, as the author of Hebrews says, even though you choose to interpret most everything else as natural and physical.

Why is that? You are not willing to cut off your hands and feet out of love the Master and to do as he says? Where does he say it is not meant in the literal physical sense? He doesn't, you simply read it that way, and your mind automatically interprets it to be allegorical without you even realizing that you are doing so.

Don't misunderstand, the point is not that it is meant in the literal physical sense: the point is that we often read into what is not there and make interpretive decisions in what we read without even realizing we are doing so. If you want to read the scripture in the natural man physical way then use upright judgment and read it all that way unless the text plainly states otherwise. Either make the tree good or make it evil: no wishy washy middle ground, which is lukewarm, (see Revelation 3:14-16).

You might want to invest in a surgical bone saw so that you can get nice clean cuts: and make sure you save your right hand for last, (after you've plucked out your eyes).

The Pharisees have nothing to with the written law.

 

[BABerean2]

Moreover the covenant passage quoted in Hebrews 8 from Jeremiah 31 is a renewed covenant to the house of Yisrael and the house of Yhudah, which you, at least so far, have not claimed to belong to: so I don't see much reason for you to be so insistent upon the incorrect things you keep insisting upon.

The word "renewed" is not found in Hebrews 8 or in Jeremiah 31. It is your attempt to hang onto the temporary Sinai Covenant. (See Galatians 3:16-29 where Paul said the Sinai Covenant was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.)

The text of multiple passages reveal the Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant are not the same covenant. A clear contrast between the two covenants is found below.


Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, (Mount Sinai)


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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The text above says nothing about a "renewed" covenant. Instead, it contrasts the two covenants. Verse 18 says we are not come to Mount Sinai. Verses 22-24 reveal we are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Zion.

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[daq]

The word "renewed" is not found in Hebrews 8 or in Jeremiah 31.

Yes, it is chadash in Hebrew and kainos in Greek, and now you only prove that you are not willing to believe the Testimony of the Messiah where this was fully expounded by his own usage of neos and kainos in this thread. You choose your translators over the Testimony of the Messiah and refuse to study it out for yourself. Sorry for your luck: choose a better translation and see the light.

It is your attempt to hang onto the temporary Sinai Covenant. (See Galatians 3:16-29 where Paul said the Sinai Covenant was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.)

The text of multiple passages reveal the Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant are not the same covenant. A clear contrast between the two covenants is found below.


Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, (Mount Sinai)


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

That's the renewed covenant for the house of Yisrael and the house of Yhudah: are you of the house of Yisrael or the house of Yhudah? I already mentioned this to you previously, when are you going to answer? Are you or are you not? Because if not you are just boasting against the branches, including even Paul, especially after all the things that have been shown to you in this thread from the scripture which prove that your antinomian theories and readings of the scripture cannot be correct.

The text above says nothing about a "renewed" covenant. Instead, it contrasts the two covenants. Verse 18 says we are not come to Mount Sinai. Verses 22-24 reveal we are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Zion.

If you are not joined and grafted into Yisrael then you have no say in any of this and are simply going on about things you do not understand. The renewed covenant of Jeremiah 31 is for the house of Yisrael and the house of Yhudah, and it is quoted and repeated verbatim in Hebrews 8. If you are not of Yisrael then you have no say because it doesn't even concern you.

 

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Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

By the way, that is the one and only place where neos is used for the covenant in all of the apostolic writings. You should have listened at the very beginning of all this: for there is surely a reason for the difference, since the same author in the same epistle uses kainos in all other places when speaking of the renewed covenant.

Is it right for translators to insert the word covenant in Hebrews 8:13, (and Hebrews 8:7), when it doesn't appear in Greek texts? That sure seems misleading to me: for what if the author is actually speaking about the old and the new-renewed interpretations of the covenant?

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It is because the neos-new interpretation of the renewed covenant is a totally neos-new thing: the doron-gift offering of the Messiah, full of grace, freely offered up for us in all the Testimony of the Messiah in the Gospel accounts, that same Testimony for which he was crucified, meaning he purchased that Testimony with his blood.

To trample, despise, or ignore his Testimony is to do the same to the Spirit of Grace, (Hebrews 10:29), because, as he says in John 6:63, his words are Spirit, (even the Spirit of Grace). Therefore when Paul admonishes the reader to walk according to the Spirit, (Romans 8), he speaks of the Testimony of the Messiah, whose commandments Paul also says that he teaches.

 

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By the way, that is the one and only place where neos is used for the covenant in all of the apostolic writings.

G3501
νέος, νεώτερος
neos neōteros
neh'-os, neh-o'-ter-os
A primary word, including the comparative (second form); “new”, that is, (of persons) youthful, or (of things) fresh; figuratively regenerate: - new, young.
Total KJV occurrences: 24


Hebrews 12:24

(ESV) and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

(ESV+) and to Jesus, R11the mediator of a new cove

(Geneva) And to Iesus the Mediatour of the new Testament, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better things then that of Abel.

(GW) You have come to Jesus, who brings the new promise from God, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better message than Abel's.

(KJV) And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

(KJV+) AndG2532 to JesusG2424 the mediatorG3316 of the newG3501 covenant,G1242 andG2532 to the bloodG129 of sprinkling,G4473 that speakethG2980 better thingsG2909 thanG3844 that of Abel.G6

(NKJV) to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

(NLT) You have come to Jesus, the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for vengeance like the blood of Abel.

(YLT) and to a mediator of a new covenant—Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!

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G2537
καινός
kainos
kahee-nos'
Of uncertain affinity; new (especially in freshness; while G3501 is properly so with respect to age): - new.
Total KJV occurrences: 44


Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.


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