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[IzzyPop]

I agree, those who live by the sword shall die by the sword as Christ told us. As shown in Tillers case.

The pro-abortion movement is gonna turn this killer(the Catholic League called him a serial killer) into a martyr probably. Which will solidify their movement.

Lots people are blaming O-Riley though. Since he was the first news reporter who brought this man under the media. For his constant reports on his illegal abortions.

Lotsa people in Kansas did not want this guy around through. They considered his clinic to be a embarrassment and an ugly stain for their community knowing what was going on everyday.

His abortions were not illegal. He faced a few hostile AGs here in Kansas and Kansas even changed their grand jury process to allow for more legal harassment of him and his clinic. The charges were found to be groundless on all occasions.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

His abortions were not illegal. He faced a few hostile AGs here in Kansas and Kansas even changed their grand jury process to allow for more legal harassment of him and his clinic. The charges were found to be groundless on all occasions.

he was still in court during the time of his murder

 

[IzzyPop]

he was still in court during the time of his murder

And to date, how many abortions that he performed were found to be illegal?

 

[CreedIsChrist]

And to date, how many abortions that he performed were found to be illegal?

they were in the middle of the process of that. There was evidence against him. Thats why he was in the court. There has to be specific medical reasons to do a third-trimester abortion, and Dr. Tiller loopholed through those requirements on many people.

This man made over a million dollars a year doing these horrid abortions. He was worth an enormous amount of money. Too bad all that money he made isn't gonna save him now

 

[IzzyPop]

they were in the middle of the process of that. There was evidence against him. Thats why he was in the court. There has to be specific medical reasons to do a third-trimester abortion, and Dr. Tiller loopholed through those requirements on many people.

This man made over a million dollars a year doing these horrid abortions. He was worth an enormous amount of money. Too bad all that money he made isn't gonna save him now or buy him outta court.

So he is guilty of performing illegal abortions because he was charged? Or because you feel the evidence was there? Or is he innocent of a crime until such time as he is found guilty in a court of law?

 

[CreedIsChrist]

So he is guilty of performing illegal abortions because he was charged? Or because you feel the evidence was there? Or is he innocent of a crime until such time as he is found guilty in a court of law?

like I said earlier, money talks and buys people outta things. The governor's support of him doesn't help much either. How many mob leaders and crime syndicates have been able to buy the license of being above the law?

Either way, all the money he has made off the blood of the unborn isn't gonna buy him a free-pass when he stands before God considering he more than likely died unrepentant of the sin of murder. During his over 30 years reign of murder, he never showed any contrition or repentance for his actions.

 

[b&wpac4]

Either way, all the money he has made off the blood of the unborn isn't gonna buy him a free-pass when he stands before God.

Does that thought give you a great deal of pleasure?

 

[IzzyPop]

like I said earlier, money talks and buys people outta things. The governers support of him doesn't help much either. How many mob leaders and crime syndicates have been able to buy the liscense of being above the law?

Either way, all the money he has made off the blood of the unborn isn't gonna buy him a free-pass when he stands before God.

You are avoiding the question. You claimed that they were illegal abortions. How many of these abortions were found to be illegal? When the grand jury rules were changed for the specific purpose of harassing him, how many charges did they level against him? The answer to both of them is none.

You come back with this RICO crap? You do realize that Kansas is a red state, right? Wichita isn't exactly a bastion of liberals. 3 separate Kansas Attorneys General have gone after him. Phil Kline made his name going after Tiller and ended up failing so bad that he eventually even got run out of Kansas' Uber-Rich Republican HQ Johnson County.

You may disagree with what he did, but untruths are still lies.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

You are avoiding the question. You claimed that they were illegal abortions. How many of these abortions were found to be illegal? When the grand jury rules were changed for the specific purpose of harassing him, how many charges did they level against him? The answer to both of them is none.

You come back with this RICO crap? You do realize that Kansas is a red state, right? Wichita isn't exactly a bastion of liberals. 3 separate Kansas Attorneys General have gone after him. Phil Kline made his name going after Tiller and ended up failing so bad that he eventually even got run out of Kansas' Uber-Rich Republican HQ Johnson County.

You may disagree with what he did, but untruths are still lies.

I suggest you take a look at Kristin Neuhaus, who underhandedly received income under the table for OKing abortions on perfectly healthy pregnant women.

 

[Mercy Medical]

I honestly find it horrifying the way some Christians have responded to this story.

 

[Mercy Medical]

I suggest you take a look at Kristin Neuhaus, who underhandedly received income under the table for OKing abortions on perfectly healthy pregnant women.

So because one person did it, that means that every abortion doctor is therefore corrupt and would do the same thing...?

 

[LittleNipper]

If you don't believe Tiller should have been killed because of his job then you've got no business using the rhetoric you use.

I'm speaking a doctrinal truth ----- though not likely accepted by Mormons...

 

[CreedIsChrist]

So because one person did it, that means that every abortion doctor is therefore corrupt and would do the same thing...?

I don't think you understood what I was saying. I was answering Izzys allegations that Tiller did nothing wrong and was innocent. Thats why I brought up Kristin Neuhaus who was known to purposely diagnose perfectly healthy women with ailments they never had in order to qualify them for late-term abortions for Dr. Tiller. Dr. Tiller paid this person to underhandedly do this.

 

[IzzyPop]

I suggest you take a look at Kristin Neuhaus, who underhandedly received income under the table for OKing abortions on perfectly healthy pregnant women.

And what was the outcome of all 19 counts in that trial? Oh, yeah. Not guilty. Anything else?

 

[Shane Roach]

"I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists?

Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one."

The article also explains part of the facetiousness of arguing Tiller's innocence of breaking the law. There was much reliance on the privacy of patients medical records, etc.

49 Million to Five - HUMAN EVENTS

 

[katautumn]

It would be nice is pro-life and sexual conservatism did not go hand in hand and both sides could dial back the cliche and rhetoric to work together on finding a common ground. How do we decrease the need for abortion? We educate and make birth control accessible and affordable. The problem is, for whatever reason, a large number of pro-life activists believe the only way to do away with abortion is make it illegal, charge women and doctors with murder, and push an abstinence-only agenda. Providing people with birth control and the information on how to use it correctly is not their aim. In fact, many reject that mindset because they feel is "encourages sexual immorality".

We're not going to get anywhere.

 

[SiderealExalt]

Providing people with birth control and the information on how to use it correctly is not their aim. In fact, many reject that mindset because they feel is "encourages sexual immorality".

This confuses me to no end. How can one be anti abortion and also be anti contraceptive. Such a position in untenable and self defeating.

 

[tulc]

This confuses me to no end. How can one be anti abortion and also be anti contraceptive. Such a position in untenable and self defeating.

Welcome to Roman Catholic world!
tulc(don't even get started on transubstantiation)

 

[IzzyPop]

"I wouldn't kill an abortionist myself, but I wouldn't want to impose my moral values on others. No one is for shooting abortionists. But how will criminalizing men making difficult, often tragic, decisions be an effective means of achieving the goal of reducing the shootings of abortionists?

Following the moral precepts of liberals, I believe the correct position is: If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, then don't shoot one."

The article also explains part of the facetiousness of arguing Tiller's innocence of breaking the law. There was much reliance on the privacy of patients medical records, etc.

49 Million to Five - HUMAN EVENTS

Too bad Ann gets her facts wrong again. Phil Kline overstepped his bounds. Morrison only pursued lesser charges after a conservative judge threw out Kline's initial case.

 

[Shane Roach]

It would be nice is pro-life and sexual conservatism did not go hand in hand and both sides could dial back the cliche and rhetoric to work together on finding a common ground. How do we decrease the need for abortion? We educate and make birth control accessible and affordable. The problem is, for whatever reason, a large number of pro-life activists believe the only way to do away with abortion is make it illegal, charge women and doctors with murder, and push an abstinence-only agenda. Providing people with birth control and the information on how to use it correctly is not their aim. In fact, many reject that mindset because they feel is "encourages sexual immorality".

We're not going to get anywhere.

I don't know what the problem with sexual conservatism is. It has worked throughout history, and it continues to be the most effective.

You want education for what, the existence of condoms and birth control? I think folks know. I think the problem is half of all people are at or below average intelligence, most young people are immature, and young people hit puberty and want to have sex.

The solution is to let them within the traditional boundaries that they get to know one another, and marry either before (preferably) or after having a child, and commit the rest of their lives to each other and to the child and any further children.

Sexually libertine behavior is not new, has never worked, is not working now and will not work in the future because it places the transient value of present pleasure ahead of the lasting values of responsibility, love, commitment and cooperation. There is no reality in which transient pleasure is more useful to a society or to its members than values such as these.

What sort of person cannot find pleasure in both sexual satisfaction and commitment to love and family?