Could someone explain me evolution & Big Bang?

Ginger123 · Dec 6, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Fine ... then you stand there and explain the images he shows on that giant screen pertaining to school (and college) textbooks.

mzungu said:
http://www.christianforums.com/t796091/#post9058379

There you go AV1611VET someone has already done it for you........
Be warned you may not like what you read.

WisdomTree · Dec 6, 2013

WisdomTree said:
Just a quick question for the OP: Are you implying that Einstein came up with the Big Bang Theory?

OP gonna come by at some point?

mzungu · Dec 6, 2013

WisdomTree said:
OP gonna come by at some point?

Looks like another "Post and run" case!

Oncedeceived · Dec 6, 2013

Ginger123 said:
If you have genuinely never heard of Kent Hovine I apologise for speaking out of turn.

Watching this man tell lies could be the thing that helps you escape creationism, please watch them all,
and also read why he was sent to prison.

I genuinely have never read or heard anything from him. I know the name from here but never sourced him.

As far as "escaping creationism" you simply do not understand that I don't base my position on anyone or anything other than God Himself.

Thanks for your apology.

AV1611VET · Dec 6, 2013

mzungu said:
http://www.christianforums.com/t796091/#post9058379

My point is no longer about Mr. Hovind.

I'm replacing him with anyone who calls him a liar.

You stand in his place, show the same slide about lies in textbooks on a giant screen, and tell me what you would say differently.

(I should probably start a challenge thread on this, rather than address each post separately; and just QV people to it whenever they say he is lying on the stage or pulpit.)

Subduction Zone · Dec 6, 2013

AV1611VET said:
How can he give false information when he's got a school textbook up on a giant screen with things in it even you guys would disagree with?

Easy, by quoting out of context.

If quoting out of context is okay then the Bible says that: "There is no God".

Why do creationist have such a hard time understanding that quote mining is lying?

Subduction Zone · Dec 6, 2013

And AV, you can predict very reliably that if Hovind ever says "Scientists say .." that they words that follow that statement will be a lie if it is at all detailed. Now Hovind has been "debating" or making speeches for years. His claims of what scientists say are almost always wrong. Scientists do not make the claims that he says that they do. Now he may have been wrong the first time he claimed this. He has been corrected many times. By continuing to make these claims it is clear that he is lying.

Why are you defending someone who is a worshiper of money and a clear liar?

AV1611VET · Dec 6, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
Easy, by quoting out of context.

Then quote it in the context.

Rather than call Mr. Hovind a liar and let it go at that, show something he highlighted in a science textbook as outdated or incorrect and give us the proper context.

(And please make sure it's on his big screen, and he's showing the general public at a seminar.)

Subduction Zone · Dec 6, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Then quote it in the context.

Rather than call Mr. Hovind a liar and let it go at that, show something he highlighted in a science textbook as outdated or incorrect and give us the proper context.

(And please make sure it's on his big screen, and he's showing the general public at a seminar.)

If I am trying to make an actual point of what the Bible says I will.

You should require the same of our liar.

But I will see if I can find a clear lie by Hovind.

AV1611VET · Dec 6, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
And AV, you can predict very reliably that if Hovind ever says "Scientists say .." that they words that follow that statement will be a lie if it is at all detailed.

That's not what I'm talking about.

He shows errors in science books on a big screen.

Focus ... if you can ... on what is on the screen and tell me the information on the screen is correct as presented.

If you can.

If you can't ... well ... it's your prerogative -- just keep shooting the messenger and expect us to agree with you.

AV1611VET · Dec 6, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
But I will see if I can find a clear lie by Hovind.

I'm not interested in Hovind's lies, I'm interested in the lies that are still being propagated in textbooks that he presents on a big screen ... okay?

Do you remember what I said that started all this bologna?

I said that Mr. Hovind puts what he teaches right up on a big screen ... highlighted ... for everyone who wants to check it out for themselves.

That does not sound to me like someone lying.

Ginger123 · Dec 6, 2013

Oncedeceived said:
As far as "escaping creationism" you simply do not understand that I don't base my position on anyone or anything other than God Himself.

Please explain to me what God is for you, I say 'for you' because everyone has a different idea of what God is,
which makes non believers wonder if peoples Gods are all in their minds.

The best present you could ever give yourself would be to escapes from creationism and live in reality.

freezerman2000 · Dec 6, 2013

AphroditeGoneAwry said:
I'm equating the cell is how we are physically created in God's image and with the same mindfulness as how we are created in His spiritual image.

Not to nitpick, but God said (and the serpent said) that man became like God and His realm after he ate of the tree of knowledge.

But what God mainly did not want, was for man to eat of the Tree of Life, which was then inevitable.

My cell theory?

Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you,but I needed to go to work..
Why would God warn Adam of the consequences of partaking of the fruit if Adam had no idea of what was right and what was wrong in the first place?
As soon as He did that,that knowledge woud have been brought to light anyway.

Yes, your "cell theory".

Subduction Zone · Dec 6, 2013

Aah, here is one for you:

Creation Seminar 1 - Kent Hovind - Age of the Earth (FULL) - YouTube

Please note, he is supposedly relating what a professor told him, yet the text book, on your big screen, clearly is talking about the formation of a star and not the Big Bang.

By lying about what scientists actually say he hopes to discredit them.

Now people who understand how a skater would spin faster by pulling her arms and legs in can see how a collapsing nebula would spin faster. That is what the book he has on his "big screen" is about. It is not about the Big Bang. This is an error of his that has been corrected many times. Yet he repeats it. Not only that I bet I could find clips of Eric repeating this lie.

ETA: The video will start at the time of the lie of Hovind.

Subduction Zone · Dec 6, 2013

AV1611VET said:
That's not what I'm talking about.

He shows errors in science books on a big screen.

Focus ... if you can ... on what is on the screen and tell me the information on the screen is correct as presented.

If you can.

If you can't ... well ... it's your prerogative -- just keep shooting the messenger and expect us to agree with you.

No, he doesn't. He lies about what science says on the big screen.

Now that I have found a lie of his let's see you find "an error in science books".

If Hovind is "the messenger" then you have no hope at all. It is too easy to show that he is a cheat and a charlatan that does not worship God, he only worships Hovind.

What do you think of fake healers? There is not that much difference between the healers and Hovind. They are both taking advantage of fools.

Subduction Zone · Dec 6, 2013

AV1611VET said:
I'm not interested in Hovind's lies, I'm interested in the lies that are still being propagated in textbooks that he presents on a big screen ... okay?

Do you remember what I said that started all this bologna?

I said that Mr. Hovind puts what he teaches right up on a big screen ... highlighted ... for everyone who wants to check it out for themselves.

That does not sound to me like someone lying.

As you see, by my example, if you are bold and brash enough, and your audience is ignorant enough, it is easy to lie and get away with it, even with a Big Screen.

AV1611VET · Dec 6, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
Please note, he is supposedly relating what a professor told him, yet the text book, on your big screen, clearly is talking about the formation of a star and not the Big Bang.

You started this at 0:30:01.

What's that picture on the screen at 0:26:40?

He already showed what the professor is telling him.

AV1611VET · Dec 6, 2013

Subduction Zone said:
As you see, by my example, if you are bold and brash enough, and your audience is ignorant enough, it is easy to lie and get away with it, even with a Big Screen.

Keep talking ... you're digging yourself deeper.

Ginger123 · Dec 6, 2013

AV1611VET said:
Keep talking ... you're digging yourself deeper.

No AV1611VET you are, if you make Hovine your messenger your credit rating hits rock bottom,
no one can take you seriously again, it's like Muslims using the 9/11 bombers as an example of Islam,
you would be a better example for creationism than Hovine he's the pits.

Subduction Zone · Dec 6, 2013

AV1611VET said:
You started this at 0:30:01.

What's that picture on the screen at 0:26:40?

He already showed what the professor is telling him.

AV, listen to him lie about what he claims scientists say about the Big Bang. No one claims that the singularity was spinning. And while we are at it you do know that his claims of conservation of rotational inertia are all wrong, don't you? There is nothing in that law that says that some of the planets cannot spin "backwards".

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