Could someone explain me evolution & Big Bang?

[freezerman2000]

"If time came before your god, then who created it...?"
Good question..one that none of us knows the answer to..I don't let it worry me though.
It's like What happened when the spark of life occurred and what were the precise processes involved?..don't know,don't really care...Time is a constant that has been- zdfgh- for a better term,been there (I didn't say always,because there is no empirical proof if there was an period of no time at all or if it has always existed ,even before the singularity).
For me,it is a matter of faith..
Do you know what the prehistoric account of when time began or if it did preclude the singularity or not?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Being that I know there are NO flaws in Christianity I am lead to ask:

What do you see as the flaws in Christianity? Please be detailed and list them all.

This would be a good thread, rather than starting a new idea or concept in someone else's thread.

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

If there was no matter before the Big Bang, how could there have been a 'deep' for anyone to have "hovered over"...?

"The earth was without form and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep."

I believe that matter becomes energy, and that energy can become matter as well.

If time came before your god, then who created it...?

No one. It is likely just the platform that has always existed.

Science is the study of the real world. As long as it asserted that gods exist outside of reality, science would have no interest in investigating them....

Scientists can continue to ignore God, if they like. Though He doesn't like it.

Please show the research and evidence you have uncovered to support these bald assertions.....

I dunno. Wiki on the Big Bang and Genesis Chapter 1?

Can you see how those two paragraphs might be in contradiction with one another...?

Oh, I suppose.

Genesis is fascinating because it not only gives us an outline that closely correlates with our known (so far) cosmological calendar, but it also is very symbolic in other places. The Garden of Eden for example, was not so much an exact place, as an ideal utopia wherein resided Adam before Adam sought the knowledge of God by eating the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. The second son being God's chosen son, over the importance the world places on the first son. The brilliant correlation with the events leading up to Noah with the Decalogue. Utterly enrapturing, that first Book.

 

[WisdomTree]

Just a quick question for the OP: Are you implying that Einstein came up with the Big Bang Theory?

Bumped for the OP

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

i believe every thing you stated except what I snipped.

What exactly does pure spirit look like? I sure don't look like a spirit,neither does anyone else.

The Holy Spirit is God in the world, and God in us. For me, the Trinity is:

The Holy Spirit (to love God) --the Living Word
The Law (to be obedient) --the commandments
Grace and Truth (to have faith)--Jesus' teachings

Adam in my opinion was the first being with the knowledge that there was a higher being than he...spiritual knowledge..with that came the ability to know the difference between good and evil,a conscience if you will.

Yes. But the knowledge of knowing good and evil came from Adam's disobedience, right? And with that, came the necessity of conscience.

In other words,he was the first true son of God.

Yes, I agree.

When God "created" Adam,it WAS in His image,not physical because spirit has no physical image,but His SPIRITUAL image.

I think it can be both, physical and spiritual. I think the cell, the unit of life, is the key to being made in God's image. I know it sounds crazy, but I believe God is like a cell, made up of a pulsating nucleus of light, surrounded by dark matter and energy, etc.

 

[freezerman2000]

The Holy Spirit is God in the world, and God in us. For me, the Trinity is:

The Holy Spirit (to love God) --the Living Word
The Law (to be obedient) --the commandments
Grace and Truth (to have faith)--Jesus' teachings




Yes. But the knowledge of knowing good and evil came from Adam's disobedience, right? And with that, came the necessity of conscience.


Yes, I agree.



I think it can be both, physical and spiritual. I think the cell, the unit of life, is the key to being made in God's image. I know it sounds crazy, but I believe God is like a cell, made up of a pulsating nucleus of light, surrounded by dark matter and energy, etc.

That sounds spiritual,not physical.

Adam knew what the consequences were before he tasted the fruit.He already knew it was forbidden.,hence the knowledge of good and evil,before the act of disobedience.

You need to expound on that last bit...

 

[AV1611VET]

So you say he is a straight shooter and another Christian says no.

Even if he was lying ... and in no way do I believe he was ...

But even if he was lying, he puts contradictions and errors right up on a giant projector and highlights them, citing the sources for everyone to check for themselves.

In doing so, he gets called a "liar."

Evolutionists use his conviction in non-theological matters as a smoke screen to mask his actual points.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Even if he was lying ... and in no way do I believe he was ...

But even if he was lying, he puts contradictions and errors right up on a giant projector and highlights them, citing the sources for everyone to check for themselves.

In doing so, he gets called a "liar."

Evolutionists use his conviction in non-theological matters as a smoke screen to mask his actual points.

So you have seen him in person?

 

[AphroditeGoneAwry]

That sounds spiritual,not physical.

I'm equating the cell is how we are physically created in God's image and with the same mindfulness as how we are created in His spiritual image.

Adam knew what the consequences were before he tasted the fruit.He already knew it was forbidden.,hence the knowledge of good and evil,before the act of disobedience.

Not to nitpick, but God said (and the serpent said) that man became like God and His realm after he ate of the tree of knowledge.

But what God mainly did not want, was for man to eat of the Tree of Life, which was then inevitable.

You need to expound on that last bit...

My cell theory?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you're talking about Kent Hovind, he puts what he believes right up in the storefront window for everyone to see.

He even uses a giant projector that shows evolutionist doctrine in textbooks, with key words highlighted in red, that either contradict each other, or have been falsified; and yet he is the one who gets called a "liar," and not the authors of the lies he is exposing.

As the Bible says:

Romans 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;

The term for what they do is shooting the messenger, and in Kent Hovind's case -- as well as those like DI, ICR, [the late] Henry M. Morris, Gail A. Riplinger, Jack Chick, Peter S. Ruckman, the Bible, and God -- they are good at it.

No, Kent Hovind is one of the worst liars that the creationist side has. He quotes out of context, he sites bogus experiments, he uses strawman arguments. You name the logical fallacy, that man has used it.

Worse yet he is a hypocrite of the worst sort and that is why he is in prison right now. He tried to cheat someone you should not cheat, the IRS. They do not take kindly to liars and cheats at all. As a result he got an eleven year prison sentence.

He, like most Christians, picks and chooses which part of the Bible he believes in and he never believed in "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". In case you are not familiar with that quote it is one where Jesus advocates the paying of taxes.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you have seen him in person?

No, but I've seen his videos.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, Kent Hovind is one of the worst liars that the creationist side has. He quotes out of context, he sites bogus experiments, he uses strawman arguments. You name the logical fallacy, that man has used it.

Worse yet he is a hypocrite of the worst sort and that is why he is in prison right now. He tried to cheat someone you should not cheat, the IRS. They do not take kindly to liars and cheats at all. As a result he got an eleven year prison sentence.

He, like most Christians, picks and chooses which part of the Bible he believes in and he never believed in "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's". In case you are not familiar with that quote it is one where Jesus advocates the paying of taxes.

Thank you for the QED.

 

[biggles53]

"The earth was without form and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep."

I believe that matter becomes energy, and that energy can become matter as well.

Yes, Mr Einstein and others helped us to understand this........but, you stated that prior to the Big Bang, your god was hovering over the "deep".....presumably something made of matter. Your problem is that there was no matter prior to the Big Bang.....

No one. It is likely just the platform that has always existed.

If time has always existed, then why could not the universe have always existed....? Your explanation actually helps to argue that the existence of a god is unnecessary.....

Scientists can continue to ignore God, if they like. Though He doesn't like it.

And you know this because.....?

Genesis is fascinating because it not only gives us an outline that closely correlates with our known (so far) cosmological calendar,

As myths go, it is no more useful than any of the others for determining anything about the real world........

 

[Oncedeceived]

No, but I've seen his videos.

Oh is he on youtube?

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh is he on youtube?

[youtube]b8GgrUposII[/youtube]

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nice video AV. It is nice to see lying runs in the family. Young Hovind lies in the first nine seconds for his daddy. A diploma from a diploma mill hardly qualifies as a "PhD in education". And daddy starts out with a lie himself "I taught high school science for fifteen years".

Please, you know he is lying, I know he is lying. Surely you can find a better spokesman for your point of view.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thank you for the QED.

I really did not demonstrate that he was lying, though I would be more than happy to do so.

AV, when every person who understands evolution claims that someone is lying did it ever cross your mind that they just might be right?

And why rely on a loser that has to lie to make it look like he is winning a debate? Surely you can find an honest creationist, somewhere.

 

[Oncedeceived]

[youtube]b8GgrUposII[/youtube]

Thanks AV. I find it troubling that he has been sent to prison for tax evasion. I understand that people can and do make mistakes and do wrong, but when you are a person who makes their lives open to the public it is paramount to be as much as a reflection of Christ as humanly possible. So that is a somewhat quick response to some of the links that came up. I haven't listened to the video yet because I have my family around and they hate when I play them while watching t.v.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thanks AV. I find it troubling that he has been sent to prison for tax evasion. I understand that people can and do make mistakes and do wrong, but when you are a person who makes their lives open to the public it is paramount to be as much as a reflection of Christ as humanly possible. So that is a somewhat quick response to some of the links that came up. I haven't listened to the video yet because I have my family around and they hate when I play them while watching t.v.

His actions were no "mistake". You can read about his charges and trial here:


Kent Hovind - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AV1611VET]

I really did not demonstrate that he was lying, though I would be more than happy to do so.

AV, when every person who understands evolution claims that someone is lying did it ever cross your mind that they just might be right?

And why rely on a loser that has to lie to make it look like he is winning a debate? Surely you can find an honest creationist, somewhere.

Again, thank you for the QED.