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Could G-d have evolved... while Adam and Eve been created?

Can G-d learn... and get better at creating?

  • No... G-d by definition always knew everything... .or would NOT be G-d!

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  • Yes... . G-d works hitherto... and I work.... so G-d was working from eternity.

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • No

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • Yes

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  • This is an intriguing idea that I will research further... I'm not sure!

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DennisTate

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I suspect that this could be termed Theistic Evolutionary Theory.

Many Theists may find this idea extremely annoying..... because the idea of G-d learning and getting better at creation over infinite time in the past....... goes against G-d.... always knowing everything......... which is necessary to be defined as "G-d?"

The Fundamental Force




The Fundamental Force



Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

 
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John 5:17 "But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work."

G-d did not just fly into a flurry of activity at the time of the creation of the earth... .but instead has been creating from infinite time in the past.

I believe that long before Adam and Eve fell...... Covering Cherub Lucifer led a revolt in heaven. This is a partial explanation for a possible Old Earth... and Gap Theory.

NDE of Dr. Richard Eby verifies old earth and gap theory.


Dr. Richard Eby:
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God has always existed. And He has always been the same in spiritual quality and nature, of love > "God is love" (in 1 John 4:8&16).

If He could change, He has already had all eternity to change in some direction. It would already have been done, by now, I consider

Jesus is all who God is, in human form.

And He is stable, in almighty power which can not wear out or burn out or be hurt, and Jesus in us shares this with us. This is so more important than learning or what you know . . . but how God is and in us He is able to make us also stable in His own love, so we don't get wasted and frustrated and hurt and unforgiving.
 
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So what was G-d doing previous to the creation of Covering Cherub Lucifer....and his eventual revolt?

Planning, engineering and orchestrating the number of Big Bang type events.......(Cyclic Model of the Universe).... that occurred up until that time would be my guess.

Former Atheist Mellen Benedict, near-death .com:

What Mellen Benedict was shown fits surprisingly well with chapter 13 of Stephen Hawking's Universe which is entitled The Anthropic Principle. (The difference is that Dr. Hawking explains an Agnostic or Atheistic version of the Cyclic Model of the Universe whereas Mellen Benedict.......... certainly believes in a Creator.
 
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Well said.......
one of the reasons why I suspect that Covering Cherub Lucifer decided on a rebellion...... is that he was so young.... and so immature....... and had invested so little in what existed by then........ and did not have anything like the emotional maturity that comes with having lived from infinite time in the past.


Could God be the most emotional being in the universe????
 
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"Time" is a delay of our deserved judgment of death.
God has no intersection with "time".
 
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God has no intersection with "time".

Now I believe that time......
is an invention........ that was created with an objective in mind..........

The progression of souls of men.... and angels..... to a more loving, thankful..... and joyful and harmonious state of being............

I think that time.....
can be compared with a bicycle, car, truck, ship or jet...... it moves us from point A to point B.... but the movement is emotional, spiritual, mental......... rather than merely a weight being moved..........


One seventh of time was made for man....... so perhaps all seven sevenths of time were made for us as well.......

Mark 2:27

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
 
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Thomas Aquinas addressed this.

SUMMA THEOLOGIAE: The immutability of God (Prima Pars, Q. 9)

On the contrary, It is written, "I am the Lord, and I change not" (Malachi 3:6).

I answer that, From what precedes, it is shown that God is altogether immutable.

First, because it was shown above that there is some first being, whom we call God; and that this first being must be pure act, without the admixture of any potentiality, for the reason that, absolutely, potentiality is posterior to act. Now everything which is in any way changed, is in some way in potentiality. Hence it is evident that it is impossible for God to be in any way changeable.

Secondly, because everything which is moved, remains as it was in part, and passes away in part; as what is moved from whiteness to blackness, remains the same as to substance; thus in everything which is moved, there is some kind of composition to be found. But it has been shown above (I:3:7) that in God there is no composition, for He is altogether simple. Hence it is manifest that God cannot be moved.

Thirdly, because everything which is moved acquires something by its movement, and attains to what it had not attained previously. But since God is infinite, comprehending in Himself all the plenitude of perfection of all being, He cannot acquire anything new, nor extend Himself to anything whereto He was not extended previously. Hence movement in no way belongs to Him. So, some of the ancients, constrained, as it were, by the truth, decided that the first principle was immovable.
 
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A very helpful post.........
very helpful indeed........
but there is a reason why the wrath of G-d could not be considered perfectly.... .until the latter days..... when knowledge is increased and many people run to and fro......


Jeremiah 23:20

"The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly."


Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Daniel Chapter 12
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time appointed: many shall pass over, and knowledge shall be manifold.

or.....

Dan 12:4


But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
 
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Oh there are limitless benefits for sinners as they walk to the cashier to receive their wages for all their fine deeds. But the wages of sin is death. We will get that paycheck and it will be cashed out. Who will pay that price. Did we do enough....or did God pay the debt Himself? It's all in Belief and Faith.
 
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"I am the same yesterday, today, and forever." That is pretty air tight and there are about 30-40 other verses that say the same thing like, "I am God, I change not!" So, no, I don't subscribe to an evolving God. It is just man trying to recreate God in whatever image he desires.
 
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True....... we did not do enough.......
we all fell far, far, far, far , far short of how we should have lived...... and thought...... and felt emotionally........ and G-d paid the debt Himself..............
 
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True.... but the English language is a LEGALISTIC language.... that was affected by laws and legislation........ over centuries... and millennia... .. English is very useful for the composition of seemingly loophole free sentences BUT......... the result can be words.... that tend to nail down............ the people who are too dogmatic in their belief that those words can only be understood one way.

For example....the word translated 'forever" from Hebrew...... has a connotation of......"until the end of conditions last"....... which can give a very different meaning to the scriptures with the English word forever... in them......
 
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Let's go at this from another angle..........
Is G-d sufficiently powerful to set up a situation where G-d..... surprises Himself?????

We might tend to think..... no....... G-d cannot be surprised because G-d knows all.............. and has all power....... but what if G-d WANTED a surprise?????


Genesis 22:12


And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only sonfrom me."

Could G-d have gotten to know Abraham better...... .after Abraham...... made a certain choice / decision?????
 
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No idea how long before Adam and Eve sinned that Lucifer actually revolted. Lucifer might have revolted a week before Creation Week. As for God the Father and Jesus working... answering prayer is working... convicting hearts is working. Working does not necessarily mean, creating things, although, I have no doubt in God's ability to keep creating new and exciting things/creatures.

God mentioned in Job that He created the Behemoth and Leviathan with man (that would be on the 6th day of creation). The descriptions for the Behemoth and Leviathan are likely those of dinosaurs... perhaps, what are called the Brachiosaurus (or Diplodocus) and Plesiosaurus today. We don't need the Gap Theory to explain the dinosaurs or the fossils. And what destroyed them, or created the formation of fossils. The Genesis Flood, not a meteor, or millions/billions of years.
 
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The true reaction of God can be hidden when,"I know that thou fearest God..." was allegedly said, because of the wrong interpretation or not translating with better words. I can look at that sentence as being replaced with,"Now I know that thou fearest God because I couldn't credit you with fearing God until you actually did the action". That would fit with the fact that God knows everything. He just can't give credit until an action happens.
 
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Please illustrate how GMm/r^2 represents a woman.
Also, I use salt shakers, they spray salt. Are they male?
 
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I absolutely agree that we don't necessarily need a Gap Theory....... but I still feel more comfortable with it than being without it...... (but I am kind of biased because I was taught the Gap Theory while I was still a teenager).

I have to admit that this video.... that my daughter sent to me a few weeks ago really impressed me! I would eventually love to have it proven to me that the Gap Theory is wrong....... but I am not able to see how just yet...... but here is some evidence that sure helped.


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155731997529669
 
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