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A day is like a thousand years. 2 Peter 3:8
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A day is like a thousand years. 2 Peter 3:8So what do the 6 days of Creation in Genesis mean to you? Remember, each day had an evening and morning.
The "evening and morning" clearly mentioned in Genesis preclude me from associating the two. To me God has specifically itemized this for us to take notice. Otherwise I see no reason why this is mentioned. He knew people would try to weasel out of accepting a 6 day Creation.A day is like a thousand years. 2 Peter 3:8
What does this mean to you?
ReadingSo what do the 6 days of Creation in Genesis mean to you? Remember, each day had an evening and morning.
So what do the 6 days of Creation in Genesis mean to you? Remember, each day had an evening and morning.
I don't see any evidence of this in the Bible as all animals seemed to be brought on board but maybe I'm missing something. What do you think?
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1 Samuel 3:1 And the boy Samuel ministered to the LORD before Eli. Now in those days the word of the LORD was rare and visions were scarce.
we notice a key thing, something we also see in other places in the bible:
That God uses dreams and visions very often (more than other ways) to communicate to us, to give word/direction to his people.
Some visions have also Spoken Words from God, such as the vision in Acts 10, where the vision is a combination of seen images and spoken words, both.
11 He [Peter] saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
(Notice the vision recipient does not initially understand --)
16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.
17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate.
Acts 10 NIV
But also in a dream a meaning sometimes will be given or come across also, communicated to us without spoken words somehow. (I know this first hand)
So, there are visual scenes in a vision, but also sometimes communicated meaning (that the recipient sometimes somehow understands an intended meaning, even without audible words), and then in some special visions, there are even audible spoken words. These are rare and special visions it seems, these that have audible words.
Now, as we all already realize, the recipient of the Genesis 1 revelation would not be able to himself be there in person during creation(!)....
Of course he lived much later than the time of creation...
So, to understand even a little, even just partially, this amazing and unexpected revelation, he would be given we can expect visual revelation (visually seen scenes just like Peter had in Acts 10), along with probably communicated partial understanding (we never understand 100% of everything in a vision right off the bat), and finally in this very special vision of revelation, also the Spoken Words of God.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
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Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear." And it was so.
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What an amazing vision this was, and what an amazing blessing to receive it.
That's what we all discuss so muchBut how much "creation time" did that vision span?
And did each vision span the same amount of creation time? How do we know the vision given during that first evening to morning didn't span a billion years of creation?
"And the evening and the morning were the first day." To me that means it concludes the first day. Nobody would consider one day to go from the evening and end at the morning. That makes no sense.Interesting that the day as stated extended only from evening to morning.
A Jewish day would have extended from evening to evening.
A pagan day would have extended from morning to evening.
Nobody's day extended from evening to morning.
However, a vision given as a dream during the night might be called a "day" that extended from morning to evening.
A day is like a thousand years. 2 Peter 3:8
What does this mean to you?
The Bible commanded them to avoid eating unclean things. In the case you described, the Holy Spirit commanded Peter to ignore these Kosher laws and go visit a Gentile household where there were items that were ritually unclean as they were not Kosher.Reading
1 Samuel 3:1 And the boy Samuel ministered to the LORD before Eli. Now in those days the word of the LORD was rare and visions were scarce.
we notice a key thing, something we also see in other places in the bible:
That God uses dreams and visions very often (more than other ways) to communicate to us, to give word/direction to his people.
Some visions have also Spoken Words from God, such as the vision in Acts 10, where the vision is a combination of seen images and spoken words, both.
11 He [Peter] saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
(Notice the vision recipient does not initially understand --)
16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.
17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate.
Acts 10 NIV
But also in a dream a meaning sometimes will be given or come across also, communicated to us without spoken words somehow. (I know this first hand)
So, there are visual scenes in a vision, but also sometimes communicated meaning (that the recipient sometimes somehow understands an intended meaning, even without audible words), and then in some special visions, there are even audible spoken words. These are rare and special visions it seems, these that have audible words.
Now, as we all already realize, the recipient of the Genesis 1 revelation would not be able to himself be there in person during creation(!)....
Of course he lived much later than the time of creation...
So, to understand even a little, even just partially, this amazing and unexpected revelation, he would be given we can expect visual revelation (visually seen scenes just like Peter had in Acts 10), along with probably communicated partial understanding (we never understand 100% of everything in a vision right off the bat), and finally in this very special vision of revelation, also the Spoken Words of God.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
!
Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear." And it was so.
!
What an amazing vision this was, and what an amazing blessing to receive it.
We remember also Jews tended at that time to think of gentiles as themselves unclean in a sense, being uncircumcised for instance.The Bible commanded them to avoid eating unclean things. In the case you described, the Holy Spirit commanded Peter to ignore these Kosher laws and go visit a Gentile household where there were items that were ritually unclean as they were not Kosher.
"And the evening and the morning were the first day." To me that means it concludes the first day. Nobody would consider one day to go from the evening and end at the morning. That makes no sense.
They had theories such as not only is eating pork unclean, but touching someone who ate pork that day makes someone unclean and more extreme examples from the Talmud speculated sitting in a chair where someone unclean had sat makes one unclean. A woman in her period was quarantined for a week due to her ritual uncleanness. Touching a corpse made someone unclean. Hershel Shanks was the editor of Biblical Archaeology Review. He gave a lecture and talked about jumping uncleanness. A pitcher of water poured into an unclean cup might result in uncleanness jumping from the cup to the pitcher. There was a Jewish argument that a pebble on a road might be unclean. A wagon wheel might dislodge it sending it airborne turning it into an unclean projectile.We remember also Jews tended at that time to think of gentiles as themselves unclean in a sense, being uncircumcised for instance.
They had theories such as not only is eating pork unclean, but touching someone who ate pork that day makes someone unclean and more extreme examples from the Talmud speculated sitting in a chair where someone unclean had sat makes one unclean. A woman in her period was quarantined for a week due to her ritual uncleanness. Touching a corpse made someone unclean.
The Samaritans observed Torah commandments. They chose to sacrifice their Passover lambs on Mt. Gerazim instead of in the Temple complex at Jerusalem. They read from a Torah scroll. There is a Samaritan community on the side of Mt. Gerazim to this day. The first century Jewish historian Josephus wrote about them.Which is why the Levite and the priest had a reasonable cause directly from the Torah for not touching the possible corpse that the Samaritan had no reason not to touch. The Torah explicitly directs Levites to retain their ceremonial cleanliness at all times. Jesus' audience would have immediately grasped that initial legal aspect of His parable, before He went on to explain the better way of His covenant.
The Samaritans observed Torah commandments. They chose to sacrifice their Passover lambs on Mt. Gerazim instead of in the Temple complex at Jerusalem. They read from a Torah scroll. There is a Samaritan community on the side of Mt. Gerazim to this day. The first century Jewish historian Josephus wrote about them.
To me Genesis doesn't read like a revelation (like Revelation). It reads likes like a chronological statement of events. And what cements that for me is the mentioning (6 times!) of "the evening and the morning" after each day's activity. That's not dreamy. That's chronological. God is itemizing what He did each day. The title of "Revelation" tells us how it was presented to John. Genesis is completely different.Reading
1 Samuel 3:1 And the boy Samuel ministered to the LORD before Eli. Now in those days the word of the LORD was rare and visions were scarce.
we notice a key thing, something we also see in other places in the bible:
That God uses dreams and visions very often (more than other ways) to communicate to us, to give word/direction to his people.
Some visions have also Spoken Words from God, such as the vision in Acts 10, where the vision is a combination of seen images and spoken words, both.
11 He [Peter] saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
(Notice the vision recipient does not initially understand --)
16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.
17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate.
Acts 10 NIV
But also in a dream a meaning sometimes will be given or come across also, communicated to us without spoken words somehow. (I know this first hand)
So, there are visual scenes in a vision, but also sometimes communicated meaning (that the recipient sometimes somehow understands an intended meaning, even without audible words), and then in some special visions, there are even audible spoken words. These are rare and special visions it seems, these that have audible words.
Now, as we all already realize, the recipient of the Genesis 1 revelation would not be able to himself be there in person during creation(!)....
Of course he lived much later than the time of creation...
So, to understand even a little, even just partially, this amazing and unexpected revelation, he would be given we can expect visual revelation (visually seen scenes just like Peter had in Acts 10), along with probably communicated partial understanding (we never understand 100% of everything in a vision right off the bat), and finally in this very special vision of revelation, also the Spoken Words of God.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.
!
Genesis 1:9 And God said, "Let the waters under the sky be gathered into one place, so that the dry land may appear." And it was so.
!
What an amazing vision this was, and what an amazing blessing to receive it.
Jesus taught it is more blessed to give than to receive. Some Jews were confident in their superiority. Jesus asked what one of the three was a better neighbor. Two of those on the road to Jericho might have reasoned the brutally beaten man was not their neighbor. The Samaritan thought he was supposed to rescue him.Jesus was not speaking to Samaritans, however, He was speaking to Jews who viewed His teaching through their Jewish goggles. Jews did not see Samaritans as obeying the Law sufficiently to acknowledge them as obeying the Law at all. Particularly, they did not atone for their sins in the temple at Jerusalem (which the Samaritan woman at the well also alluded to).
Jesus understood the prejudices of His audience, and He skewered those prejudices. He did the same thing with regard to the Syro-Phoenician woman, giving them a bit of rope and then hanging them on it.
There's a problem with the old Earth theory. And its the Bible and the account of Creation. How do you have an Earth so old without a sun being in existence yet? I'm not sure how to get around that problem. Somehow I think the sun would need to be here for anything to be here. Space is cold! Try absolute zero.Science is totally objective. Paleontologists, geologists, and astronomers repeatedly proved beyond doubts Earth was already over a billion years old by the time humans came into existence. That verse is about God's infinity. One day for us is very short in relation to God, who has no time restriction like things in the world do. It has nothing to do with how old Earth was when God created man.
Except that every day has 24 hours. That's what we refer to as a "day". You're caught up in this vision-dream thing. I'm not. To me Genesis is a chronological order of events. You think God created things at night? Does anyone think that? Why would nighttime be chosen to get things done?It makes perfect sense if we're talking about a vision-dream occurring during the night, and there are multiple scriptural precedents for that very thing.
In no place is there an idea of "evening and morning" being a 24-hour day; that idea is what makes no sense.
Actually if the Pangea theory is correct it is possible it was a global thing at the time and over time the continents drifted apart and volcanoes raised up new lands etc. It is also possible that if the land was one continent that God could have timed the rotation of the earth with the position of the moon and the gravity of the moon could have helped in the flood also pulling water from the ocean on top of the land and keeping it there.Likely, the Flood wasn't a global event. And the story of it was written by a man on the boat. It wasn't written by a man viewing earth from the moon.
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