Since the Bible says that the only unpardonable sin is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and the ones who accept the Mark of the Beast were destined to perish, could the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (unpardonable sin) be the mark?
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Could blasphemy of the Holy Spirit be the Mark of the Beast?
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InSpiritInTruth
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Those who are not sealed by Gods Spirit, are of the first born (fleshy minded man.) The first state of man is to the flesh, just as this present world is fleshy minded by nature. That is why the disciples refered to those who rejected the spiritual Word of God as (natural brute beasts.)
It is this( carnal nature) in man that lusts after the things of the flesh, and is sensual and devilish in nature. This fleshy nature in man is proud and boastful in( his own) understanding, and rejects the council of God. This sign was shown to us Nebuchadnezzar who after recieving a great many blessing from God began to boast in the works of (his own) hands, of (his own) might, of( his own) knowledge, and of (his own) beauty.
And so God took his kingdom from him, and gave him over to mind like (a beast,) and a heart like( a beast) until 7 times would be fulfilled. This same sign was given in Cain after he had rejected the council of God and hardened his heart with pride, he was set with a seal upon him to be a wanderer and a vagabond in the land.
Just as this same seal was placed upon the children of Israel after they had rejected their Messiah, and killed a man to their own hurt like Lamech. They also would be (cast out) like a beast, and blinded from seeing the Truth until their time of cleansing had been fulfilled.
But even though this mark is an( inward spiritual mark) that determines the way a person thinks and acts; this mark is sealed at a certain cut off point in time. It, like before shall be put in place again at the parting of 2 ways, when the fullness of Gentiles is complete. Those Gentiles who are not sealed by the Holy Spirit before this time, shall (be sealed) with the mind of the beast.
It is this( carnal nature) in man that lusts after the things of the flesh, and is sensual and devilish in nature. This fleshy nature in man is proud and boastful in( his own) understanding, and rejects the council of God. This sign was shown to us Nebuchadnezzar who after recieving a great many blessing from God began to boast in the works of (his own) hands, of (his own) might, of( his own) knowledge, and of (his own) beauty.
And so God took his kingdom from him, and gave him over to mind like (a beast,) and a heart like( a beast) until 7 times would be fulfilled. This same sign was given in Cain after he had rejected the council of God and hardened his heart with pride, he was set with a seal upon him to be a wanderer and a vagabond in the land.
Just as this same seal was placed upon the children of Israel after they had rejected their Messiah, and killed a man to their own hurt like Lamech. They also would be (cast out) like a beast, and blinded from seeing the Truth until their time of cleansing had been fulfilled.
But even though this mark is an( inward spiritual mark) that determines the way a person thinks and acts; this mark is sealed at a certain cut off point in time. It, like before shall be put in place again at the parting of 2 ways, when the fullness of Gentiles is complete. Those Gentiles who are not sealed by the Holy Spirit before this time, shall (be sealed) with the mind of the beast.
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Those who do not receive the Mark of the Beast CANNOT buy or sell.
That means that the mark is something of a tangible object - like MAYBE a computer chip implanted in a person's hand or forehead.
That means that the mark is something of a tangible object - like MAYBE a computer chip implanted in a person's hand or forehead.
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InSpiritInTruth
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Who's image is on money? It is the image of a man.
Those who worship this image shall go into destruction.
Those who worship this image shall go into destruction.
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Those that have the mark of the beast are those that believe his deception. That is all it means. They stand at pulpits, on forums, peddle their books....
Revelation 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
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The mark of the beast was a mark given on the right hand (or occasionally the forehead) by the priests of the imperial cult in Rome. They would place themselves with a statue (image) of Caesar (e.g. Domitian-the reigning emperor when imperial cult worship really came to prominence) and require all citizens who entered the market place to observe that "Caesar is lord". If they did, the priest would mark them and they were subsequently permitted to by and sell within the marketplace. If not, they wouldn't be allowed and in some cases would be hauled off for a later execution for denying that Caesar was lord.
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As for the tangibility, I'm also thinking that it's possible that in order to recieve the mark, you must commit the unpardonable sin, or you can't recieve the mark in order to buy or sell. I think the mark itself could be a literal mark, but you must blaspheme the Holy Spirit to get it.
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Only the very elect can commit that sin and the very elect do not take the mark of the beast. The mark is to be deceived...one of the deceptions, the big one....is rapture.
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The gathering of the church, prior to the revealing of the antichrist, is not a deception. It is written in both testaments of the Bible.
You'll see. It won't be much longer. And aside from your racist belief that only white men are descended from Adam, men of all races will be in the gathering of the church prior to the wrath because Christ died for mankind (ADAM) .
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, in my opinion, is declaring that you are the Holy Spirit or that you hate and disparage the Holy Spirit. The mark of the beast is exactly what it says: a mark that a person CHOOSES to accept during that time which labels them as "of the beast", in league with the beast, and bound to the same fate.
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That's right. The people that are left behind, who did not have the Spirit of God, will endure imprisonment and death (beheading) in order to prove their worth to God.
They will be judged by that work, according to Revelation 14 and 20.
Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed [are] the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
Rev 20:4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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There will be NO Pre-Trib Rapture.
That is the greatest Satanic deception yet - but then the Bible does say that "Many will be deceived".
That is the greatest Satanic deception yet - but then the Bible does say that "Many will be deceived".
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Please consider that you are misunderstanding what you believe is written.
Certainly all believers of all races will be gathered and they will be gathered before the wrath of Christ. And yes, Christ died for all mankind...not Adam as in the man Adam, eth ha adam. We will ALL be here for the wrath of Satan which is the great tribulation and that is....DECEPTION. We must not allow ourselves to be deceived. And...it is a choice we all must make.
The blasphemy, I believe, is to not allow the Holy Spirit to speak through you.
The mark of the beast is to believe his lies...deception and that is the mark in the forehead, in your mind.
The mark in the right hand....is to work for him, to further his deception.
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Interesting perspective, Whirlwind ... not sure I fully agree with your interpretation of blasphemy ... but perhaps that's not a great extension of basic laws either ...
James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Not reaching out to others is withholding God's gift, but is it blasphemy?9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Matthew 25:14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Perhaps, it's a mere semantic quibble though, considering that lack of works brings outer darkness ...15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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Someone I knew (recently brutally murdered near his home in South Africa) said the passage answered itself....
Mark 3:28-31 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. There came then His brethren and His mother, and, standing without, sent unto Him, calling Him.
Who is saying that? His brethren and mother!
3:34-35 And He looked round about on them which sat about Him, and said, Behold My mother and My brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is My brother, and My sister, and mother.
The account in Luke makes no mention of anyone saying "He hath an unclean spirit."
Luke 12:8-12 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess Me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth Me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
From that account it appears that the unforgiveable sin is to not allow the Spirit to speak through us (fear or ridicule perhaps)....and/or.....to call those that are speaking His Word a liar. That would include, to me, using one's own words instead of His...saying "God spoke to me and this is what He said." That too would be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
1. Not speaking what He has taught you.
2. Calling those speaking His Words...a liar or accusing them of hearing "an unclean spirit," because we don't agree.
3. Teaching your own words, your own thoughts and not what He shows us when He shows us.
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OK. I'd come to a similar conclusion already ... just didn't call it blasphemy.
Better to not know, than to know and rebel ...
... kinda like don't go back into the house when you're on the rooftop.
As for details ... ya really don't want to straddle the line here. You're either all in or not.
Ya just do the best you can ...
Judge not ... One really ought to set sanctimoniousness aside ... but, in general, I doubt this falls into the category of "unforgiveable sin".
Ya just do the best ya can ...
Apparently, even the elect stumble ... but still they are characterized as "called, chosen and faithful".
Bottom line, I think, is rebellion falls into the category of blasphemy, not simple errors in judgement or mis-steps. Mis-steps we are told will happen during the purification process.
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LOL. Could you be more specific ... by filling in the blanks ...
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Thanks. Just so everyone knows what you're talking about.
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