Could blasphemy of the Holy Spirit be the Mark of the Beast?

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Ya In the Bible Who is the Apple of Gods Eye!

 

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Its A very simple Q>>>>>>>>>>> NO! Apostates Wiggle this and that.... But the Bible States Who is The Apple!

 

[1whirlwind]

OK. I'd come to a similar conclusion already ... just didn't call it blasphemy.

Better to not know, than to know and rebel ...

... kinda like don't go back into the house when you're on the rooftop.

I agree....that is why I said only the elect can commit that sin. God doesn't open understanding to all and that is for their protection. They are still in the house and as such...are safe from never being forgiven.

Romans 11:1-4 I say then, Hath God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

The number seven denotes spiritual perfection...this represents the man child...those chosen, called and perfected, whatever number of souls that may be. They are one of the two groups of 144,000....
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Revelation 14:1-5 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having His Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

They, as His firstfruits, do not commit the unpardonable sin. Only they could learn the deeper truths (learn that song?) and they acted without fault by not commiting the blasphemy.
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Romans 11:7-8 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded. (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

11:9-11 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

As for details ... ya really don't want to straddle the line here. You're either all in or not.

Agreed

Ya just do the best you can ...


Judge not ... One really ought to set sanctimoniousness aside ... but, in general, I doubt this falls into the category of "unforgiveable sin".


Ya just do the best ya can ...

If we do the best we can in all situations then that is...the best we can do. As for, "Calling those speaking His Words...a liar or accusing them of hearing "an unclean spirit," because we don't agree".....it may well be in the category of that sin. Remember....."But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit."


Are those doing that assured of never being forgiven or...in danger of never finding forgiveness?

Apparently, even the elect stumble ... but still they are characterized as "called, chosen and faithful".

Bottom line, I think, is rebellion falls into the category of blasphemy, not simple errors in judgement or mis-steps. Mis-steps we are told will happen during the purification process.


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There are stumbles along the way but there is one that puts us in great danger. Is it apostasy/rebellion? I don't think so for it is written that many will fall in that manner. Those that fall are good people, just misled...they will be taught during the millennium. So, what was done wasn't unforgiveable.

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[NightHawkeye]

Romans 11:1-4 I say then, Hath God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying, Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

Thanks for the insightful verse, Whirlwind ...

They, as His firstfruits, do not commit the unpardonable sin. Only they could learn the deeper truths (learn that song?) and they acted without fault by not commiting the blasphemy.

I agree that's the song they sing ... as for blasphemy, it still seems to me that either one is "all in" or one isn't. Unlike choosing sides for basketball, the choice here is truth or lies ...

Truth is just what it is ... "just the fax, mam, just the fax ..."

When one knows and understands the truth ... why would one promote lies? Kinda seems impossible, except for short-term gain, maybe?

Hmm ... maybe that's the answer to your question ... those who are not merely lost, but honestly know and understand the truth, but who plan to seek forgiveness on their death bed?

As for, "Calling those speaking His Words...a liar or accusing them of hearing "an unclean spirit," because we don't agree".....it may well be in the category of that sin.

Well, I hope not ... could be a lot of folks here "weeping and gnashing teeth" if that's so ...

There are stumbles along the way but there is one that puts us in great danger. Is it apostasy/rebellion?

I don't see apostasy and rebellion as the same thing at all ... apostasy is mere apathy ... rebellion is active defiance. Just don't see those being the same at all.

Rebellion is more like Lucifer ...

I don't think so for it is written that many will fall in that manner. Those that fall are good people, just misled...they will be taught during the millennium. So, what was done wasn't unforgiveable.

Of course, those folks wouldn't know any better would they?


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[1whirlwind]

I don't see apostasy and rebellion as the same thing at all ... apostasy is mere apathy ... rebellion is active defiance. Just don't see those being the same at all.

Rebellion is more like Lucifer ...



Of course, those folks wouldn't know any better would they?


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This thread was brought to mind this morning when reading a passage in Matthew. I realized then....I never replied to this thread.

Two things....first, I disagree that apostasy is apathy. I do agree that it is done without knowledge. By that I mean those that fall into apostasy won't know they are doing so because they are deceived. If they knew they were following the wrong one they wouldn't do so. They aren't rebelling as do atheists but they allow themselves to be deceived.


Secondly...the Scriptures that made me remember this thread. Previously I mentioned the following in connection to the unforgiveable sin...

Mark 3:28-31 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. There came then His brethren and His mother, and, standing without, sent unto Him, calling Him.
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And, this morning I saw......

Matthew 11:15-16 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,

The last generation buying and selling...they have the mark of the beast. What do they buy and sell....souls! And, what do they say?
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11:17-19 And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented. For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
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"They say He hath a devil," and "they said He hath an unclean spirit." Why? Because he came "neither eating nor drinking." He wouldn't accept their lies, their food and drink. The same sin is being committed in both passages for in both they accuse a child of God unjustly by saying he has an unclean spirit/hath a devil. And...notice this:
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"For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil." "He" is capitalized so it isn't speaking about John the Baptist. It must mean that they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit in John.


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