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I had signs when I was a child that I am bipolar. I would bite when I was happy, wet the bed, not be in control of my emotions, have nervous ticks and habits, feel like the world was on my shoulders.... etc.

If I had a child who showed symptoms I would get them into cognitive therapy. Because of my responses to life, I put myself deeper into situations that made my life more stressful and my illness grew.

When I couldn't manage life anymore and couldn't cover up my illness, I was forced to get help, only after I made a mess of it. I found group therapy helpful after I shut myself out of life and people for so long. It helped me begin to relate to others again.

Thanx for sharing. Group therapy is the one thing i've really longed for but have been unable to find in my area. I think that would really help me connect with people more and participate in society again. I've gotten to the point in my life where i've really become isolated for various reasons.
 
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WOW. That sounds like one of the worst psych's I've ever heard of...and I thought my last one was bad. When they get to be know-it-all's, that's when it's time to find a new psych.

Those with bipolar need a way to see what is going on in their lives amidst the confusion of the illness. Without a more objective format for recording our moods, we can't as easily see what is going on and how our life is effected by the illness. It simply makes sense.

Schrodingers_cat_lives: Thanks for that info. That's really good stuff.

update: i just saw a new Dr. yesterday which i was dreading because i was expecting a grumpier jabba the hut male version of the lady dr. i've been seeing these past 2 yrs.---a Dr. who, despite my worsening and more frequent depressive episodes would barely up, tweak let alone dare switch me to another anti-depressant. I wonder now if something happened to her where she was sued or something for over medicating or something, because holy moly, i've been on the same anti-depressant since forever--- 5 years before her and 2 yrs under her care) she just wouldn't switch me to another antidepressant even though i was getting severely depressed every month, which was never the norm before seeing her. ding dong..:wave: hello???? the anti depressant lost its efficacy....i'm on a high dose and still the depressions kept coming. My body obviously built a tolerance to it, but man o man, she just wouldn't budge on changing anything....all she kept pushing for was getting me on an anti-psychotic which sedated the crap out of me even though i've never been on anti-psychotics or was exhibiting psychotic behavior.

Anyway, thank god, i'm rid of her. i looooooooooooooooove my new shrink. Turned out he was young/relatable, humble, approachable, very receptive to patient input/interaction and i think what really won me over was...lol...don't laugh...that he actually, not only acknowledged my geeky star trek patch (com-badge insignia) i sewed on my blue t-shirt, but even knew what department the different color Starfleet uniforms represented....well, i had to help him a bit to jog his memory, but hey he earned 10 gold stars in my book for that bit of geekiness. Put it this way, he didn't have me at "hello", he had me at star trek. ^_^.... he even noticed my starfleet academy baseball cap i didn't even realize i was wearing since i was running late and threw on the first hat i could grab. ha ha...he must think i go to conventions and speak klingon. Well...umm...ok....i do speak a little Klingon :blush:

Point is, he actually switched me to another medication and will be working on later weaning me off effexor and trying another anti-depressant. :bow:
Finally! I got a Dr. that's actually doing his job!
 
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As if dealing with the illness isn't hard enough---I'm so sorry you have to deal with such belittling comments especially from those who should support you the most.

Are you back in treatment now? Did they're comments influence you to go off your meds and if so, are you back on your meds now or seeking treatment? Btw, have you been recently diagnosed? I mean, is being diagnosed new to you and your family?

Super big reply! It's perhaps not as bad as it sounds, but it's just been difficult when in combination with what I have been going through at the moment.

I have been recently diagnosed (around January) after the first time with a proper potential suicide time. It was actually a releif at the time to be diagnosed, as like you it was great to know why I did and thought what I did. I am type 2, so many people have it worse in the mania, but it's still not always easy. So I was thinking I should go on medications then to help.

Unfortunately I then went into a longer term mania, where I "wanted" to not be bipolar as then it meant I am this way for the rest of my life. So I kind of tricked myself into believing that it could be stuff from my past (my dad was Type 1 bipolar (never a official diagnosis as he has never got help that I know)and my parents seperated when I was 9). If it was this then I could fix my problems and go on to have a normal life. It was during this time that my family have said about not becoming bipolar because you have a diagnosis. So it helped me avoid going onto meds, as I didn't want to just become it. So it's not entirely their fault - probably I would have not gone onto meds because of the mania. But it is hard as they said it now.

The problem is they saw me when I was younger, when I didn't have so big cycles (more from what I can gather the "normal" depression until early 20s). So I suspect this makes them believe more that I am reading too much into the diagnosis. I now live in a seperate country, so they don't see me much these days. I guess they haven't seen how much it's changed in my life.

The other problem is I haven't really mentioned about the 2 suicide attempts. So they're not fully informed about alll the stuff. But I just don't want them to worry or anything. It's strange, from trying to get so much attention in some of the mania periods, the suicide stuff is always very hard for me to talk about, unlike a lot of the other behaviour. I had it the other day, when with my doctor when we had a meeting to inform my boss on the condition and how it would affect me/ what to look out for him so he can raise the alarm if he sees problems. I avoided all talk about the suicide, and so my doctor "made" me talk about it, so he was informed fully.

I have discovered reading stuff from other bipolar people can help. I was reading a book the other day, and some of the stuff made me laugh a lot, as I was like "that's me"! Currently in depression, and thinking stuff about the future, and I have told people quite a few times "it's not the depression, it's just being realistic". And the author mentioned that they had that a lot as part of depression. Or during mania the ramping up of spending - small things that get bigger. Thankfully I am not really bad on the spending (although that's partly from being fortunate of having a good job in regards to pay, so I perhaps "get away" with being silly sometimes).

It's strange at the moment now that I have started with meds. It's like I'm thinking "I should be more out of control now", as although I have similar thoughts and impulses they are less powerful, and so I can fight them sucessfully. It's not always easy, but certainly easier. Also it feels like I need to "break" habits that have been made during the times of being out of control - it seems like I am almost wanting to do stuff out of habit rather than such strong impulses! So I need to now learn the habit of being in control more. I am a bit worried about what it will be like during periods of mania... will I keep on the meds, and what will it be like? But I guess I just have to see how things go. I am lucky to have a lot of medical support around me, and a good boss at work. I guess I have problems in that my family are distant, and I've now made things very hard with friends here. But I guess I just need to work at it.

How do people on here make big changes in their life? I am not sure if what I am feeling is real, and so don't know what to do in regards to that. The depression says you're just being realistic, and the mania makes you believe nothing can go wrong... so both feel like you're being right at that exact point! I know we need to wait a bit of time for big decisions... but what is normal?!
 
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I don't know too many coping skills....when i was younger i would have rattled off a half dozen. but now my brain is slower due to the Depakote and i'm not the thinker I used to be.

Right now when I get real bad i reach out to people. There are mental illness groups around my city that i can go to. Church helps.

Has anyone heard of the CBT-like program called Recovery Inc (ahh i see they changed their name to "International")...... it was created something like 70 years ago by a psychiatrist. We read from a book and they give us little coping skills in the form of sayings.


(I tried to post a link to the Wiki that explains the group but you need 50 posts to post a link)
 
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Super big reply! It's perhaps not as bad as it sounds, but it's just been difficult when in combination with what I have been going through at the moment.

I have been recently diagnosed (around January) after the first time with a proper potential suicide time. It was actually a releif at the time to be diagnosed, as like you it was great to know why I did and thought what I did. I am type 2, so many people have it worse in the mania, but it's still not always easy. So I was thinking I should go on medications then to help.

Unfortunately I then went into a longer term mania, where I "wanted" to not be bipolar as then it meant I am this way for the rest of my life. So I kind of tricked myself into believing that it could be stuff from my past (my dad was Type 1 bipolar (never a official diagnosis as he has never got help that I know)and my parents seperated when I was 9). If it was this then I could fix my problems and go on to have a normal life. It was during this time that my family have said about not becoming bipolar because you have a diagnosis. So it helped me avoid going onto meds, as I didn't want to just become it. So it's not entirely their fault - probably I would have not gone onto meds because of the mania. But it is hard as they said it now.

The problem is they saw me when I was younger, when I didn't have so big cycles (more from what I can gather the "normal" depression until early 20s). So I suspect this makes them believe more that I am reading too much into the diagnosis. I now live in a seperate country, so they don't see me much these days. I guess they haven't seen how much it's changed in my life.

The other problem is I haven't really mentioned about the 2 suicide attempts. So they're not fully informed about alll the stuff. But I just don't want them to worry or anything. It's strange, from trying to get so much attention in some of the mania periods, the suicide stuff is always very hard for me to talk about, unlike a lot of the other behaviour. I had it the other day, when with my doctor when we had a meeting to inform my boss on the condition and how it would affect me/ what to look out for him so he can raise the alarm if he sees problems. I avoided all talk about the suicide, and so my doctor "made" me talk about it, so he was informed fully.

I have discovered reading stuff from other bipolar people can help. I was reading a book the other day, and some of the stuff made me laugh a lot, as I was like "that's me"! Currently in depression, and thinking stuff about the future, and I have told people quite a few times "it's not the depression, it's just being realistic". And the author mentioned that they had that a lot as part of depression. Or during mania the ramping up of spending - small things that get bigger. Thankfully I am not really bad on the spending (although that's partly from being fortunate of having a good job in regards to pay, so I perhaps "get away" with being silly sometimes).

It's strange at the moment now that I have started with meds. It's like I'm thinking "I should be more out of control now", as although I have similar thoughts and impulses they are less powerful, and so I can fight them sucessfully. It's not always easy, but certainly easier. Also it feels like I need to "break" habits that have been made during the times of being out of control - it seems like I am almost wanting to do stuff out of habit rather than such strong impulses! So I need to now learn the habit of being in control more. I am a bit worried about what it will be like during periods of mania... will I keep on the meds, and what will it be like? But I guess I just have to see how things go. I am lucky to have a lot of medical support around me, and a good boss at work. I guess I have problems in that my family are distant, and I've now made things very hard with friends here. But I guess I just need to work at it.

How do people on here make big changes in their life? I am not sure if what I am feeling is real, and so don't know what to do in regards to that. The depression says you're just being realistic, and the mania makes you believe nothing can go wrong... so both feel like you're being right at that exact point! I know we need to wait a bit of time for big decisions... but what is normal?!


lol....yea..:sorry: ....super duper big reply..:doh:..sorry....just realized it today when i came back to the forum just now. I'm slipping into a hypo mania and it's one of the first signs...i start writing a lot...long and lengthy compulsions to express my thoughts. I'm kind of starting to go all over the place a bit with the internet and with different people and am now realizing i have to stop and look at what my impulses are and work on not letting them take control of me....Man, it's so weird how totally opposite it was for me just a week ago when i wouldn't even want to answer the phone speak to anyone or barely find the strength to type on the keyboard. A week ago, i came so close to attempting suicide and now i feel like life has meaning again and i have a drive to live.

i want to respond to some of the things you shared. i'll try my best to keep this short.

Ok, first of all....THis is all new to you, since you were recently diagnosed, but as time passes, you will understand yourself better and even be able to understand your past better as you learn to identify when it's the sickness "talking" and when it's the balanced normal you thinking clearly. When we're depressed, the delusion says that all is hopeless, pointless, futile and that the pain will never end. When in that plance, we can't imagine ever feeling normal again or happy or even a little content....in that state, we begin to think that there is no purpose to go on....that we're better off dead. But that's simply not true, that may feel like it's the reality we are experiencing but, its actually the "sickness" talking...why? because you will eventually come out of the depression as you always have and always will.

After going in and out of so many depressions and experiencing these same delusions, i have come to train myself to combat the delusion by reminding myself that even though i ALWAYS feel this way, i also ALWAYS come out of it and want to live again. It's almost like i have to train my logical and experiential part of my mind to tell my emotional mind that what i'm experiencing are not my true mind, but delusions that will pass and even though i want to die to escape the pain and so feel horrible, i eventually WILL want to live again once the chemicals get balanced. Even if i don't "feel any of it is "true", when i'm in that moment, i am able to hold on because i can't truly deny the past experiential memories that tell me i have always come out of the depressions and always will. And of course, here i am, living proof, that my delusion was not reality because i'm not longer depressed....i have come through it alive and well.

With mania, it's the complete opposite false belief, but a delusion nonetheless and, in many ways, perhaps more dangerous than the depression since you may feel that euphoria and invincibility in the begginning....it's seductive that way and can trick you into thinking you don't need to take your meds, get treatment or pay attention to the symptoms. It's so easy to just get swept away with the mania and again...you have to stop and train yourself and remember that that is the sickness talking not the balanced real you. The important thing is that you are finally getting treatment and talking about what you are going through. Even though it seems like it's getting harder or worse since the episodes may have become more severe or more frequent as the years went by, now that you know about it, are on meds and seeking treatment you will get a better handle on knowing what is what and identifying what you are truly going through, you will be able to manage the symptoms better and discerning the difference between the delusional mind and the sober mind, so in that way, it will get better, not worse. You will also become more resiliant. It's important that you stick with treatment and find a network of support. I lived with this illness for years without having the slightest clue i had a mental illness and the worst part was that when i'd get depressed, i'd hide it from everyone and dreaded that anyone, especially my family, would find out, so that kept me from seeking help which made my condition become more severe as time went by.

Anyway, there's more i could share about what i've learned, but i'll exercise some discipline now with my impulses and stop before i write another 3oo pages to you. ^_^

i hope you are well and continue walking towards a healthy, peaceful and fruitful path.
 
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He he, I know what you mean about the writing a lot! Although in the more proper mania I tend not to write, as I get too caught up in doing other stuff!

I'm glad you're out of the depression, but (and I guess you know anyway) just be careful with the mania as much as the depression!

I guess for me I have seen a lot of the stuff - as part of the bipolar I tend to go through periods of over anaylising everything, and so actually when I was diagnosed it was more going "ok, the bipolar explains this and this about me". I always overthink what I do and think! But I am learning more, and I guess it's about learning to control stuff now I know why it is there.

At the moment I am fighting against a panic attack that is really trying hard to come. And I normally never have dreams (that I remember), and when I do they are almost never bad. Yet I have been dreaming a lot more recently, and almost everytime Lillian appears, and I wish I could fix things and save her from all the pain that has happened, but know I can't. There was a particularly strong one this morning that woke me up early, and I think bits of it have been hanging around all day. It doesn't help I bought my first apartment yesterday (!) and she's not said anything about it... I know things are hard, but she hasn't even responded slightly... It's difficult to stop the panic, and the overthinking things because of it.

I fear mania much more than the depression. Depression only affects me (in a sense), but the mania means I do stuff that hurts others, either thinking things will be ok even though it's likely to go wrong, or just not realising I'm being completely unreasonable. It's really scary to know what you can do in it.

But yes, the medicine seems to be helping. So far apart from 1 time on sunday things have been within a level where I have enough control to stop. I'm wondering about this anxiety at the moment... it's feeling a bit stronger and more persistant though... will try and distract myself so I don't say anything stupid to anyone!
 
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Thanx for sharing. Group therapy is the one thing i've really longed for but have been unable to find in my area. I think that would really help me connect with people more and participate in society again. I've gotten to the point in my life where i've really become isolated for various reasons.
Where do you live? Go to your Dr or ask the hospital and they will be able to connect you with group therapy. An on line group helped me, mytherapy.com.
 
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Whenever I eat Rice i get real sleepy. I saw on several internet sites that rice has a lot of melatonin in it. (it doesn't help us manufacture Melatonin but actually contains it)

I would post links but not allowed to yet.

Last night around 9PM i ate some rice and woke up feeling terrible. My sleep was really bad. Wondering if it was the rice or eating at 9PM

How do you feel when you eat too late at night? I usually feel very bad, but it can be tough to resist food when you take bipolar meds.

I love you all and am praying for you and myself so we can overcome and eventually achieve piece either on earth or heaven.
 
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Whenever I eat Rice i get real sleepy. I saw on several internet sites that rice has a lot of melatonin in it. (it doesn't help us manufacture Melatonin but actually contains it)

I would post links but not allowed to yet.

Last night around 9PM i ate some rice and woke up feeling terrible. My sleep was really bad. Wondering if it was the rice or eating at 9PM

How do you feel when you eat too late at night? I usually feel very bad, but it can be tough to resist food when you take bipolar meds.

I love you all and am praying for you and myself so we can overcome and eventually achieve piece either on earth or heaven.

Rice can turn into a sugar in you when the carbs aren't used up. Food can be triggers for people who are sensitive. When you feel bad eating food stop eating them. You will find the right diet for yourself.
 
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Rice can turn into a sugar in you when the carbs aren't used up. Food can be triggers for people who are sensitive. When you feel bad eating food stop eating them. You will find the right diet for yourself.


To be more exact, rice is a carbohydrate. ALL carbohydrates are metabolized into sugar in our bodies.

This person may need to get their blood sugar checked for diabetes. The crashes are probably low blood sugar.
 
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To be more exact, rice is a carbohydrate. ALL carbohydrates are metabolized into sugar in our bodies.

This person may need to get their blood sugar checked for diabetes. The crashes are probably low blood sugar.

very interesting. i hadnt thought about that. the rice is a fast acting carb and i could be getting the crash in the middle of the night after eating it.

but i also get real sleepy after eating it within 30 minutes or so. wonder if that's the melatonin in it.

i will definitely stop eating it. haven't touched it in at least 5, 6 maybe 7 days. can't remember.

praying for everyone here.
 
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