convert me

[danielsm]

PS on the Jewish thing: Since they all murdered Christ, perhaps we should murder them. There's a lot of them left though, so try and use ovens. Those work quicker.

 

[Lisa0315]

From what I know about Christ's life

1. He was pretty awesome, but not the be-all-end-all prophet
2. At some point he got declared to be God. Now from my point of view that's Pagan, since God is undying (Christ died on the cross) unborn (Christ was born of a virgin) omnipotent (Christ was arrested) formless and infinite (Christ was a man walking among us)

So I don't think Christ's life is going to inspire me to be a Christian. It seems to me everyone knows about Christ's life. It seems most converts to Christianity are converted by some sort of Biblical logic or some such. I don't know. What does convert people?

Only the Holy Spirit draws anyone to God.

As for the points above, it is what is so magnificent about Christ. He IS God, but limited Himself to the form of Man so that He could redeem us.

It would be something like having the power to crush an ant beneath your shoe, but instead, getting down in the grass and literally becoming the ant.

Lisa

 

[danielsm]

That's something like what the Hindus say to the Muslims.

The Muslims say "God is greater than everything" and the Hindus say "God is so great God takes on the form of many Gods, therefore our God is greater than yours."

 

[Lisa0315]

That's something like what the Hindus say to the Muslims.

The Muslims say "God is greater than everything" and the Hindus say "God is so great God takes on the form of many Gods, therefore our God is greater than yours."

Okay.

What do you say about studying some of the teachings of Christ with me?

I will give you some verses and we can talk about what they mean. Are you up for that?

Lisa

 

[danielsm]

I am so totally down for that. I love scripture study.

 

[Key]

Wow.. so much said here, and some it, well, a little on the harsh side.

Lets say you are here, and, to put is simple, your question is that you want to know why you should believe in Christianity. Now given that you are from a Jewish family that helps a little, assuming that your not currently Jewish, because, for all intents and purposes, you some where along your life said, Judaism is not correct, or just "not for you" what ever the case.

So, your still "spiritual", and it seems that all these people are trying to convert you to some religion, with such loving words like "Convert or Burn" and such, and your like "Umm I'll take Burn for 500 please" and you have these Atheist going "It offers freedom to become obsessed with worldly goods" and your like, well there has got to be something beyond some theories and 2+2=4, right.

So why should you Believe in Christianity, well for one, it would tick off the Atheists,

So, here is what I will tell you.

Can I prove that Christianity is correct, the one true religion, and all the jazz, well... No.

So why should you believe, and this is where I cite how it has helped me in my life and made me a better person, and all those gushy tales that you hear, and your like "So, I can hear that from a Buddhist" which is also true.

However, then comes the Apologetics, where once "The Christians" figure out what you do believe, they rip it apart, show that Jesus is real (Which.. so what if is he.. if you don't want to believe, it won't matter if some dude called Jesus did walk the earth or not, and since this is not a debate, the issue is not if Christianity correct, but why should you follow it, it not an issue anyway) and then show that all the writings in the Bible support this, and you could say "Well I don't accept the Bible" just like I could say "Well I do not Accept Websters Dictionary", in the end, we both look kind of silly to just reject a work, because we do not like it. I mean, if the desire is to just refuse, you would love the Star Wars/Star Trek Debates as to what is acceptable, and the lengths people will go though regarding what they will and will not accept.

So why should you be a Christian, well, having them Yell at you, I am betting is not gonna do the trick.

Just an FYI with Judaism, Christianity is Judaism completed, the Messiah has come, and opened a new door for the world. Blah blah blah, I do not know how that makes it a Proxy, and I am not sure if that is a term that would applied as such.

Why not just Kill them? Because it was not the Jews that killed Jesus it was the Corrupt Jews that Killed him, just as it is Corrupt Government officials, Religious leaders, and charismatic individuals that lead masses to do horrid things. Do I punish a person today because one of his Ancestors was deceived by a Corrupt Religious Leader? That would just be silly, I mean, beyond silly, more to the line of insane.

Besides, as I remember, the Romans had a hand in it too, which, would mean if I could kill the Jews for "killing Jesus" I might as well kill the Romans as well, which would do what.. wipe out something 3/4 the world population, after all those Romans where everywhere, and we can't be too sure there was not some mixing of people ya know, got to be sure in that matter.

Anyway, as for why to be a Christian, well, maybe, you could answer me this.

Why not follow Christ?

God Bless

Key

 

[danielsm]

I could just as easily follow Muhamad for any of those questions, especially since Muhamad doesn't confuse me by claiming God is somehow three rather than one. Or in addition to one. Or whatever. I could also follow the Sikh gurus, although that wouldnt complete Judaism, but then, I don't so much care about Judaism, I care about God.

PS: I really like your style.

 

[danielsm]

A big point here that I suppose I shouldve stated upfront is the trinity. Lisa0315 is talking to me about that... but yknow, in general, trinity, seems either non-monotheistic or diet-monotheistic to me.

 

[danielsm]

And I forgot to respond to your response to my holocaust reference. That was hyperbole because I was [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ed at someone calling all religions in the world but Christianity "parody" which in addition to being insulting to me as someone who only has friends from non-Christian religions (Rastas, Buddhists, Sikhs, Muslims, Atheists, Jews) it also offended me because it called Judaism, a precursor to Christianity, a parody of Christianity, which reminded me, as a person of Jewish descent, of European anti-semetism.

So I stepped over the line in a big way, but of course I knew all those things you said in response.

 

[ebia]

So all modern Jews have to pay for what the Jews were like during Christ's lifetime. Perhaps they should also all be declared his murderers for their ethnicity?

I also didn't say it was arrogant to say you were right, I said it was arrogant to call the parent religion of your religion a parody. And you did say "all others are a parody" and Jewish temples are NOT Christian, so what are you saying?

Since you don't seem very interested in understanding what I'm trying to say I'll bow out.

 

[JWA]

Hi danielsm I think you are right, I'm not going to convert you. People don't change people, only God can do that, so if at some point you are converted it will be to Gods' credit not any man.

I believe that our whole entire life is a test to see what we will choose. Will we choose to believe God and His word or will we choose to put our trust in ourselves ?

Yes I am a believer in the word of God and I believe He meant every jot and tittle. I believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God, and that He came to pay the price for all our sins, and that He is the only reason I have hope. I'm no better than anyone here on this earth ,and have no cause to boast about anything. Yet this one thing I do Phil 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

May God bless you and lead you to the truth!

 

[texastig]

Danielsm you said:

I am someone frustrated with being told to be a Christian but never being given a satisfactory reason why.

I'll tell you the reason why. We are sinners and God has provided the way to Heaven through Jesus Christ. It is up to us to choose wisely.

Thanks,
TexasTig

 

[tsubasa]

People don't change people, only God can do that, so if at some point you are converted it will be to Gods' credit not any man.

Amen my brother!! In my opinion, the reason so many 'conversions' happen when a person is at his or her lowest ebb is because that is when (s)he is most willing to cry out to God and accept Him in their heart. Other people can give their testimonies or try and answer questions, but you will only hear their ideas as being true if you are willing to accept them as being true.

 

[INRI2]

Why convert?

Because you Love!

"I am the way the truth and the life" - Jesus Christ.

that is why

No 1 because it is the only way that we can save the world

No 2 because it is true

no 3 because we want ourselves and others to share in eternal life.

 

[deived]

So please, I would really like it if someone would explain to me what the benifit is in joining any or all sects of Christianity. Not trying to start a fight, frustrated with lack of convincing prosthelatising.

Im new to this forum and was looking for a good topic. I didnt get to read all of the replies since there is a lot.
I'd have to say that before you decide what sect of Christianity to go with (or Christianity at all) you should think about wether or not it is important to you that what you believe is true. If it's not important to you, then I would say just go with what feels better. If it is important to you, then step 1 would be to figure out or decide for yourself how it is you would determine truth from falsehood. Many people just go with what they feel, but feeling doesn't make true.
Also, before throwing out Atheism or Agnosticism, you may want to get a better understanding of what those are, the same way you should get a better understanding of whatever sect you decide to go with before choosing it. There is a lot of misinformation about atheism that gets spouted off by people who know nothig about it. Some examples: "it is obvious that the only reason people don’t believe in Christ is because they need an excuse to live licentious and immoral lives"; "Atheists believe in NOTHING"; "Something must have happened that has made you bitter and angry on God."; "Without God, life is meaningless." Anyone who says something like that, knows NOTHING about atheism.
On the Christian defense, there are also a lot of atheists who make claims about Christianity that know nothing about it. Some say that Christians are evil, which I do not believe to be true, and that is evident in what most Christians will say and how they live their lives.

 

[Digit]

So please, I would really like it if someone would explain to me what the benifit is in joining any or all sects of Christianity.

Heya Danielsm,

First up, let me say I am not going to convert you. If it was that easy, then surely I would have hundreds of disciples already. Someone once said to me, that if you can argue someone in to religion, then someone else can argue them out of it. Basically the best approach here, is to simply explain your experience, and see if it is something that speaks to the other person. As essentially, that is what it is, a feeling. Sounds a little like some self-help rubbish right. Like, "If you want to be free, be free!". Hehe. Well it's not really. The immediate benefit of having a relationship with God, is that you experience total love, regardless of what you do. That's a pretty neat thing right there. By experience, I mean, lets say for example you don't really like who you are now, or some of the things you have done. Christianity lets you shed that old life, and live a new one free from all of those things.

Accountability to God. This is a great thing. Because we have faith in someone who is righteous. When we have that faith, we live by certain rules. These rules by no means make life unfun, or ruin it for you. Imagine a soccer game with no goals, no line markings and no referee. How much fun do you think it would be? Not a great deal. God is the referee, goal posts and line markings. He gives us rules for life, so that we can get the very most out of it. Simply having faith in God, and being accountable to Him for your actions, strengthens you immensely. It seems weird, by imagine it like this, imagine if everytime you did something wrong, you had to tell your parents about it. No matter what it was. That would soon transform your life and your character, into a much better and loving one.

I won't really touch much on the afterlife, as I am still looking into Heaven and Hell and there seems to be some misconceptions about Hell, or rather, different beliefs/interpretations. A large stumbling point is reconciling a loving God with an eternal torturous Hell. Biblically, I am not sure this is accurate as it does say the punishment is eternal, however that can be interpreted several ways, for example, it could be permanent, forever-lasting, definite and so on. All depends on the original text and it's context, which I am looking into now for myself, and as such, I feel underqualified to discuss that. So yeah, needless to say, don't worry too much about that side of things just yet if at all able.

Any Qs or what have you, PM, reply or MSN me.

Adios!

Digit

 

[MarcusHill]

Atheism I understand why they need to be so vocal, they're preaching anarchy, it is kind of distinct from everyone else's view.

I don't see why you equate atheism with anarchy. Sure, many atheists think the world would be better without organised religion. I don't think you'd find even a significant minority who would seriously argue for a lack of organised secular government, though.

 

[deived]

I don't think you'd find even a significant minority who would seriously argue for a lack of organised secular government, though.

There are some. I'd consider myself one of them.
I'm still new to this board so it wont let me post a link, but just search for FreeDomainRadio. You'll find us.

 

[HolyGuardianAngels]

Hi danielsm I think you are right, I'm not going to convert you. People don't change people, only God can do that, so if at some point you are converted it will be to Gods' credit not any man.

I believe that our whole entire life is a test to see what we will choose. Will we choose to believe God and His word or will we choose to put our trust in ourselves ?

Yes I am a believer in the word of God and I believe He meant every jot and tittle. I believe that Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God, and that He came to pay the price for all our sins, and that He is the only reason I have hope. I'm no better than anyone here on this earth ,and have no cause to boast about anything. Yet this one thing I do Phil 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

May God bless you and lead you to the truth!

Regarding every TEST/EXAM I have ever taken, we got a Text/book to read and were well instructed on what was TRUTH . . . Did you receive such . . .

 

[JWA]

Regarding every TEST/EXAM I have ever taken, we got a Text/book to read and were well instructed on what was TRUTH . . . Did you receive such . . .

Grace and peace to you sister,

Thankfully i have had the opportunity to read the Lords' love letter to me . Thank You Jesus!! For those who haven't had that chance i know that God is just and righteous and very fair....so although i don't know the full implications of His Soverignty and the plans He has in place for those who haven't had the chance to hear the full of His gospel....I take rest and comfort in knowing that He is faithful and true!

God bless you!