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Controversial Issue: The Cross

What are acceptable or non-acceptable symbols of Judeo-Christianity?

  • The Cross: ACCEPTABLE

  • The Cross: UNACCEPTABLE

  • The Ichthys: ACCEPTABLE

  • The Ichthys: UNACCEPTABLE

  • Tzitzith: ACCEPTABLE

  • Tzitzith: UNACCEPTABLE

  • Circumcision: ACCEPTABLE (How do we depict it?)

  • Circumcision: UNACCEPTABLE

  • Other: ACCEPTABLE (Please explain)

  • Other: UNACCEPTABLE (Please explain)


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ShirChadash

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GRRR I keep getting a 404 not found error for a number of threads. But here is a link to an interesting article that SonWorshiper had posted here on one of the threads (google has it cached...)

http://www.logon.org/english/z/p039z.html

Summary:
The Cross: Its Origin and Signifance
(Edition 3.0 19940625-19991203)
This paper deals with the origin of the cross in history and examines the significance of the cross in human pre-Christian worship. The relationship of the cross to the second commandment is also examined.

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The Cross: Its Origin and Significance
Berry (Encyclopaedia Heraldica) mentions 385 different crosses. Most are purely decorative or of heraldic significance (ERE, art. Cross, Vol. 4, pp. 324 ff). There are 9 types of crosses that have religious symbolism. The cross has become associated with Christianity. It was not, however, an early Christian symbol and, indeed, the Sabbath-keeping Churches have traditionally been iconoclastic and have abhorred the use of the cross symbol as pagan. Indeed, some of the Sabbath-keeping Christians have been martyred for their opposition to the use of crosses in Christian symbolism. The Vandals were iconoclastic Subordinationists who destroyed the idols revered in Greece and Rome. The Paulicians were iconoclasts as were all the Sabbatati who were associated with or descended from them. This prohibition against crosses (as well as the practice of adult baptism) continues in Sabbath-keeping Churches of God to the present. The cross symbol is most ancient and has a number of mystical meanings.

Non-Christian Crosses-
The cross has a meaning associated with sun worship. Schliemann has noted the presence of the cross on pottery and whorls of the Troad (the region about Troy) (ERE, ibid., p. 325). It is alternated with the rayed disc and at times the two emblems appear in juxtaposition (ibid.)The Indians used the equilateral cross alternating with a rayed disc. The cross occurred naturally at the forkings of roads and thus became an object of veneration. During the bronze-age, especially amongst the Gauls, the cross appears frequently on pottery, jewels and coins. The cross is found also in Mexico, Peru and significantly in Central America. There they allude to the four winds, which are the source of rain. The Dakotas also used the cross to represent the four winds The early symbolism of the cross was expressed in the Chinese ideogram of the word for earth, which is an equilateral cross within a square. The enclosed sun cross appears to represent the four rivers of paradise. The Bible refers to this as the river, which went out from Eden and parted into four heads. Thus, the concept embodied in the Genesis story (Gen. 2:10), whilst having a specific geography attributed to the four rivers, also represents a basic theme of the rivers of living water which flowed from the central source which was God through His morning star which at that time was Satan. Thus, we are dealing with a very serious form of idolatry in the symbolism of the cross as a representation here of sun worship. There is no doubt that the use of the cross, associated with the symbols of the resurrection and new life, are hopelessly intermingled with the theology of the ancients. The swastika appears extensively in Buddhism in China and Japan, being pre-eminent on the pedestals of the statues of Buddha and the Bodhisattvas of Mahayana Buddhism.

The Cross in Christianity - Mark of the Cross

The spread of the symbol of the cross into Christianity developed much as the Trinity. Tertullian asserted that at every step the Christians marked their foreheads with a little sign of the cross. The usage referred to by Tertullian drew the charge of idolatry.Roman Catholic writers admit that the cross has become the object of a veritable cult. Didron states:The cross has received a worship similar if not equal to that of Christ; this sacred wood is adored almost equally with God himself (ibid.).The argument is difficult to resist that the cross was introduced to the Christian system from the Mystery cults along with the other forms of worship which gradually took over Christianity and which had no part of the early church. These forms such as Sunday worship and the festivals of Easter and Christmas, came from the Sun cults.The fact of the matter is that the cross derived not from Christianity, being then used at the cross-roads, but rather the phallic cross was tidied up so as to conform to Christian mores and left with the mother goddess figures of Hecate etc. which was relabelled the Madonna.The distinction made between the stake and the gibbet on the one hand and the cross on the other, is to appropriate to Christianity the symbol which was of such importance in pagan symbolism. The fact is that crucifixion, which was an ancient form of punishment, was on a tree, which was not distinguished in shape and the simple stake was called a cross or crux. Zechariah 12:10 indicates the final cause of death was to be by piercing. It is impossible to tell with any certainty whether the cross was used to crucify Christ was a simple stake or contained a cross bar because the term was general to both.Nor, indeed, does it matter, save that the symbolism above was transferred from the cults and had to be legitimised.The second Council of Nicea (787), held for the purpose of reforming abuses and ending the disputes of iconoclasm,defined that the veneration of the faithful was due ‘of the precious and vivifying cross’ as well as to images or representations of Christ, of the Blessed Virgin, and of the saints (Cath. Encyc., op. cit.).The Council held that the cult of the Latria belongs to the divine nature alone. Thus, the objects were accorded a form of worship which is not that held to be accorded to the divine nature. But asserting that the worship of the images of mortals is acceptable is contrary to the explicit teaching of the Bible.Thus the symbolism had turned full circle and the images of the Mysteries had taken over Christianity and become the foci of worship.From above, the use of the cross is philosophically objectionable within Christianity – not just on those grounds, but also because the concepts above, which are logically predicated upon God and are the direct prerogative of God, are in this symbolism attributed to Christ as they were to the gods of the Mysteries. The resurrection occurs as an act of God’s authority. God alone is immortal (1Tim. 6:16). Christ exercised obedient authority, laying his life down and taking it up on that authority (Jn. 10:18). Christ, he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are all of one (KJV) origin (enos pantes) (Heb. 2:11 RSV). The use of the term enos pantes means that they are of one, wholly, in all respects, in every way (Thayers). The NIV seeks to mitigate this text by translating it as of the same family.God alone is to be worshipped and the object of prayer (Lk. 4:8; Jn. 4:23; Rev. 19:10; 22:9). The cross has become a symbol of itself in the same way that the image set up by Moses (Num. 21:8-9) became an image of itself and would be thus idolatrous.The symbolism which surrounds the cross and the art works and forms is of itself loaded with concepts, which have been transported into Christian worship. The concepts are derived from the most ancient forms of worship, which have been transported or diffused throughout the nations and tribes. The identification of the origins and the interconnected relationships are made in the sections above. The cross as imagery is not a harmless tool or decoration.The attribution of the cross and of Christ as an image and object of prayer is a breach of the second commandment.The concept or doctrine imputes the ultimate sin to Christ of making himself equal with God, which the Bible holds he was not (Jn. 14:28, Phil. 2:6). Such concepts were not used in the first two centuries of the Church and indeed were viewed as idolatry. Many of our people were martyred for refusing to accept crosses as symbols of their faith.




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Hi Zem, actually what I was referring to is the post I made about what HaShem showed me regarding the magen David. It is very hard to find a picture to show I guess what I was referring to, I have searched for over an hour through over 700 photos and this is all I have come up with to show what I am talking about.


http://www.crfg.org/photocon/2003-3d.html

Please click on that to see a pomegranate blossom and the shape it takes. When the fruit ripens this still remains and the star can be seen both in the little "petals" and also the spaces inbetween them.
 
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brentsbaby612 said:
You my have some of what little rep points I have!:D
Oh, and this web page helped to!
Well :blush: Thankie very much, my dear! :clap: I hope the articles and bumps are helpful -- both sides... erg, ALL sides, seem to be reasonably well represented within the ones I found, I think.
 
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Whoops. See what happens when I don't read all of a thread before jumping in? I'll go back and get myself straightened out.

The pic below -- WOW!

Zayit said:
Hi Zem, actually what I was referring to is the post I made about what HaShem showed me regarding the magen David. It is very hard to find a picture to show I guess what I was referring to, I have searched for over an hour through over 700 photos and this is all I have come up with to show what I am talking about.


http://www.crfg.org/photocon/2003-3d.html

Please click on that to see a pomegranate blossom and the shape it takes. When the fruit ripens this still remains and the star can be seen both in the little "petals" and also the spaces inbetween them.
 
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Just thought I'd put my 2 cents in. I personally don't wear a cross because scripture says that cursed is the man who hangs on a tree/cross. I know that Y'shua did that for us--but I personally don't want to hang a symbol of a curse around my neck or anywhere else.

I prefer to focus on Messiah and Adonai's blessings for us.

Just my thoughts...hope that no one is offended.
 
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The following is from Tertullian's De Corona. The issue was whether believers should wear a crown, since there was no scriptural instruction to do so. In the article he names a number of accepted customs that are not mentioned in scripture. Tertullian is writing at about 200 CE (more than a 100 years before Constantine) and says that these customs are already ancient.

And how long shall we draw the saw to and fro through this line, when we have an ancient practice, which by anticipation has made for us the state, i.e., of the question? If no passage of Scripture has prescribed it, assuredly custom, which without doubt flowed from tradition, has confirmed it. For how can anything come into use, if it has not first been handed down? Even in pleading tradition, written authority, you say, must be demanded. Let us inquire, therefore, whether tradition, unless it be written, should not be admitted. Certainly we shall say that it ought not to be admitted, if no cases of other practices which, without any written instrument, we maintain on the ground of tradition alone, and the countenance thereafter of custom, affords us any precedent. To deal with this matter briefly, I shall begin with baptism.When we are going to enter the water, but a little before, in the presence of the congregation and under the hand of the president, we solemnly profess that we disown the devil, and his pomp, and his angels. Hereupon we are thrice immersed, making a somewhat ampler pledge than the Lord has appointed in the Gospel. Then when we are taken up (as new-born children),we taste first of all a mixture of milk and honey, and from that day we refrain from the daily bath for a whole week. We take also, in congregations before daybreak, and from the hand of none but the presidents, the sacrament of the Eucharist, which the Lord both commanded to be eaten at meal-times, and enjoined to be taken by all alike. As often as the anniversary comes round, we make offerings for the dead as birthday honours. We count fasting or kneeling in worship on the Lord's day to be unlawful. We rejoice in the same privilege also from Passover to Pentecost. We feel pained should any wine or bread, even though our own, be cast upon the ground. At every forward step and movement, at every going in and out, when we put on our our clothes and shoes, when we bathe, when we sit at table, when we light the lamps, on couch, on seat, in all the ordinary actions of daily life, we trace upon the forehead the sign.
 
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