Control Vs. Love

[Grip Docility]

Immediately, I biased the debate and know this. However, there are two factions of theology. Free Will and Theistic Predestination .

Many forms of understanding exist of these two terms, but one boils down to an option to Love, while another boils down to Control for God’s purpose, desire and good pleasure.

Which is Correct biblically and why?

 

[dreadnought]

Immediately, I biased the debate and know this. However, there are two factions of theology. Free Will and Theistic Predestination .

Many forms of understanding exist of these two terms, but one boils down to an option to Love, while another boils down to Control for God’s purpose, desire and good pleasure.

Which is Correct biblically and why?

I like to search for truth, biblical or otherwise.

The Lord gave us commandments to follow - for our own good. It isn't up to me to control other people, though I am free to defend myself and those I care about.

 

[drjean]

Am I correct in understanding that your premise means to choose theistic predestination removes the love of God towards us?

I don't see them as being mutually exclusive.

 

[Grip Docility]

Am I correct in understanding that your premise means to choose theistic predestination removes the love of God towards us?

I don't see them as being mutually exclusive.

Absolutely biased on my part. Generate your defense if you desire. Explain how they work together for whom ever is reading.

 

[W2L]

Control verses love? Gods control is itself love, His command is to love, and He is love, so God and love cannot oppose each other

 

[Grip Docility]

Control verses love? Gods control is itself love, His command is to love, and He is love, so God and love cannot oppose each other

This is a wise statement. “The Love of Christ Constrains us”.

Does God’s Love allow Choice and FreeWill?

 

[W2L]

Does God’s Love allow Choice and FreeWill?

Yes, we choose love or the world. One lasts for ever and makes us happy, the other fades, doesnt last for ever, and is uncertain.

 

[Grip Docility]

Yes, we choose love or the world.

Choose ye this day. Amen

Curve ball:

What does God so Loved the world mean in this frame?

 

[W2L]

Choose ye this day. Amen

Curve ball:

What does God so Loved the world mean in this frame?

I dont quite understand the question.

 

[Grip Docility]

I dont quite understand the question.

You pointed out that we have to choose between Love and the world. Which I agree with.

I’m wondering what “God so Loved the world” means to you, with your statement factored in.

 

[W2L]

You pointed out that we have to choose between Love and the world. Which I agree with.

I’m wondering what “God so Loved the world” means to you, with your statement factored in.

When we dont love the world it means we dont love self, and how evil self makes the world. In the end we end up loving the people which are in the world, while hating the world (the system of corruption and decay).

 

[Kevin Snow]

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
~John 15:16

This is true of every single disciple. We did not, do not choose God but he chose us. We can choose to do what is right and what is wrong but we can't choose God.

For many are called, but few are chosen. ~Matthew 22:14

 

[Grip Docility]

You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
~John 15:16

This is true of every single disciple. We did not, do not choose God but he chose us. We can choose to do what is right and what is wrong but we can't choose God.

For many are called, but few are chosen. ~Matthew 22:14

Fair enough,

Can you now justify how Love is sincere, without choice?

 

[drjean]

I think it's important that you used the term "theistic" predestination, however you appear to be viewing it from an anthropomorphic position.

 

[Kevin Snow]

Fair enough,

Can you now justify how Love is sincere, without choice?

In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. ~1 John 4:10

 

[HypnoToad]

Immediately, I biased the debate and know this. However, there are two factions of theology. Free Will and Theistic Predestination .

Many forms of understanding exist of these two terms, but one boils down to an option to Love, while another boils down to Control for God’s purpose, desire and good pleasure.

Which is Correct biblically and why?

It's both:
Why Ravi Zacharias rejects Calvinism
(don't need to watch the video, just read the article)

 

[Grip Docility]

In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. ~1 John 4:10

But the response has no choice?

 

[Kevin Snow]

But the reapomse has no choice?

He answered them, “I have told you already, and you would not listen. Why do you want to hear it again? Do you also want to become his disciples? ~John 9:27

 

[salt-n-light]

Immediately, I biased the debate and know this. However, there are two factions of theology. Free Will and Theistic Predestination .

Many forms of understanding exist of these two terms, but one boils down to an option to Love, while another boils down to Control for God’s purpose, desire and good pleasure.

Which is Correct biblically and why?

I feel like they work under the same sphere.

We have free will, but free will isn't void of the parameters of reality. It isn't free of consequences or reactions.

Theistic Predestination is also there, but it should be treated as parameters, and not as a preordained sentence.

The predestination is like saying "here are the cards that you are given to deal with, if you choose this then this happens, if you choose the other, the other thing will happen"

Free will is being able to say " I think ill choose choice A". The choice predestines you to the outcome of that choice. Thats my take I could be wrong. But I don't see them as seperate. God's purpose and desires are an act of love. That he gives me a choice to choose life, and that Im not forced to choose life a person have free will to choose life.

 

[Grip Docility]

It's both:
Why Ravi Zacharias rejects Calvinism
(don't need to watch the video, just read the article)

I am neither Calvinist nor Armenian. But that man is a peace maker. Excellent article.