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It's not moving decimal points or anything or whatever, etc.
That's a legitimate question ...
I thought you meant it in the same kind of way as moving the goalposts, or something like that, etc. But, please read the paper, or at least skim over it, or don't reply please, k.2,000,000 down to 20,000 is what I call moving the decimal point.
It's basic math.
2,000,000 down to 20,000 is what I call moving the decimal point.
It's basic math.
You say it is what God said, or says, etc, but how do you know for sure that you are just not simply only following some man or men's interpretations or traditions that haven't even bothered injecting any kind of new information or evidence into them for a very, very long time, etc?
I thought you meant it in the same kind of way as moving the goalposts, or something like that, etc. But, please read the paper, or at least skim over it, or don't reply please, k.
God Bless.
Well, yes, I actually like this kind of thing, etc, and have always been naturally curious of just about everything, etc, so it's something I enjoy, etc.If you truly believe this, Neogaia, then why are you spending so much time with it?
Even going so far as to set up an account to log into a website to investigate?
On the other hand, this might be like a hobby to you, and you like investigating things.
Dunno.
Just out of curiosity, are you a college student/graduate?
Just for now, ok.Fair enough.
I'll bow out of this thread.
I'll be bowing out for a little while right now as well, ok.Fair enough.
I'll bow out of this thread.
Shortly after the Hebrews left Egypt, God commanded a census. According to Numbers 1:46, there was 603,550 adult males, thus making the population around 2 to 3 million.the number was closer to 20 thousand, rather than 2 million, etc.
Shortly after the Hebrews left Egypt, God commanded a census. According to Numbers 1:46, there was 603,550 adult males, thus making the population around 2 to 3 million.
Let's remember, Israel spent 430 years in Egypt, and God blessed them, and they multiplied so rapidly, that Egyptian leaders began to fear that the Hebrews would over throw them (Exodus 1 8-10). The Egyptian leaders would not fear such thing if there was only 20,000 Hebrews.
There is not need for theories, just stick to the Bible. The fact is, 600,000 male adults left Egypt. Include women and children and the number will be in millions.However, all that reasserts my theory of an Assyrian Pharaoh of the Exodus because if Israel's population was no more than 100k
Granted.There is not need for theories, just stick to the Bible.
Your post is full of holes.This is what I have so far.
This paper below shows what I now believe to be the correct number of Israelites in the exodus from Egypt, etc. And instead of 2 million, it shows, and proves in my opinion, that the number was closer to 20 thousand, rather than 2 million, etc.
I could only read all of it by creating an account, and to download it costs money, but it is more than well worth creating an account, and/or doing so in my opinion, etc.
The Number of People in the Exodus from Egypt: Decoding Mathematically the Very Large Numbers in Numbers I and XXVI on JSTOR
Colin J. Humphreys, The Number of People in the Exodus from Egypt: Decoding Mathematically the Very Large Numbers in Numbers I and XXVI, Vetus Testamentum, Vol. 48, Fasc. 2 (Apr., 1998), pp. 196-213www.jstor.org
I never believed those numbers of the amount of people in the exodus from Egypt, as they created a lot of logic problems for me, but I now believe this paper is accurate, and shows the true numbers, etc, which is about 20 thousand, rather than 2 million, etc. You'll need to get a look at the whole paper to know how they reached this conclusion, etc, which will require you to at least make an account, etc, but it is well worth it in my view, etc.
This solves the problems of around 2/3 of the Egyptian population being all of the sudden gone, or disappearing, and of the building projects still going on afterwards, and a whole host of other logic problems or issues, etc, a lot of which the paper I linked gets into, or explains thoroughly, or a lot of, etc. And it partially solves the problem of not finding many Israelite dead in the Sinai wilderness today also, etc. And there are also other possible ideas/theories as to why we might not find any Israelite dead at all, etc, which I will name or list for you or post for you if you really want me to, etc.
Pinning down the exact dates of the Exodus from Egypt, and who was Pharaoh at the time is difficult, and there are many different views or possibilities, and the most challenging thing about them is, a lot of them are giving several or multiple different possibilities, and are adding that each one has pretty much equal support both biblically and scientifically and archaeologically, etc. The best I could provide you with right now is maybe a possible range of dates maybe, and of possible different Pharoahs for those time periods, etc.
Why we find no animal remains? The Israelites seem to have lost the animals they took with them from Egypt shortly after the Red Sea, etc, exactly why that is is anyone's guess, but they didn't seem to have them anymore shorty after the Red Sea, when they began quickly complaining that they were going to die of starvation without any food, and that the Bible records is when God started feeding them with heavenly mana supernaturally, etc.
And as mentioned earlier, why not any other archaeological evidence of campsites, or camping activity, etc? Well, they had no need of fire according to the Bible, as they were being provided with food, and fire/light/warmth at night supernaturally according to the Bible, etc. And they also were nomadic, and never stayed in one single place for very long, and dwelt in tents, and never built any more permanent structures, and took everything with them when they went, etc. And firewood, especially in great, or even moderate quantities, etc, is also very hard to come by in a desert, etc.
This is what I've come up with so far, etc.
I will provide more if and when I find more, and will now respond to posts/replies regarding this, but please read the paper I provided before responding if you can please, ok. It really is key, etc. And you tell me if you either accept or maybe reject it, and perhaps maybe why, etc.
God Bless.
Just in case you'd not already seen it (I'm not assuming you have not), you might like to have some parts of this:This is what I have so far.
This paper below shows what I now believe to be the correct number of Israelites in the exodus from Egypt, etc. And instead of 2 million, it shows, and proves in my opinion, that the number was closer to 20 thousand, rather than 2 million, etc.
I could only read all of it by creating an account, and to download it costs money, but it is more than well worth creating an account, and/or doing so in my opinion, etc.
The Number of People in the Exodus from Egypt: Decoding Mathematically the Very Large Numbers in Numbers I and XXVI on JSTOR
Colin J. Humphreys, The Number of People in the Exodus from Egypt: Decoding Mathematically the Very Large Numbers in Numbers I and XXVI, Vetus Testamentum, Vol. 48, Fasc. 2 (Apr., 1998), pp. 196-213www.jstor.org
I never believed those numbers of the amount of people in the exodus from Egypt, as they created a lot of logic problems for me, but I now believe this paper is accurate, and shows the true numbers, etc, which is about 20 thousand, rather than 2 million, etc. You'll need to get a look at the whole paper to know how they reached this conclusion, etc, which will require you to at least make an account, etc, but it is well worth it in my view, etc.
This solves the problems of around 2/3 of the Egyptian population being all of the sudden gone, or disappearing, and of the building projects still going on afterwards, and a whole host of other logic problems or issues, etc, a lot of which the paper I linked gets into, or explains thoroughly, or a lot of, etc. And it partially solves the problem of not finding many Israelite dead in the Sinai wilderness today also, etc. And there are also other possible ideas/theories as to why we might not find any Israelite dead at all, etc, which I will name or list for you or post for you if you really want me to, etc.
Pinning down the exact dates of the Exodus from Egypt, and who was Pharaoh at the time is difficult, and there are many different views or possibilities, and the most challenging thing about them is, a lot of them are giving several or multiple different possibilities, and are adding that each one has pretty much equal support both biblically and scientifically and archaeologically, etc. The best I could provide you with right now is maybe a possible range of dates maybe, and of possible different Pharoahs for those time periods, etc.
Why we find no animal remains? The Israelites seem to have lost the animals they took with them from Egypt shortly after the Red Sea, etc, exactly why that is is anyone's guess, but they didn't seem to have them anymore shorty after the Red Sea, when they began quickly complaining that they were going to die of starvation without any food, and that the Bible records is when God started feeding them with heavenly mana supernaturally, etc.
And as mentioned earlier, why not any other archaeological evidence of campsites, or camping activity, etc? Well, they had no need of fire according to the Bible, as they were being provided with food, and fire/light/warmth at night supernaturally according to the Bible, etc. And they also were nomadic, and never stayed in one single place for very long, and dwelt in tents, and never built any more permanent structures, and took everything with them when they went, etc. And firewood, especially in great, or even moderate quantities, etc, is also very hard to come by in a desert, etc.
This is what I've come up with so far, etc.
I will provide more if and when I find more, and will now respond to posts/replies regarding this, but please read the paper I provided before responding if you can please, ok. It really is key, etc. And you tell me if you either accept or maybe reject it, and perhaps maybe why, etc.
God Bless.
Not if you talk to David Rohl who suggest Shishak is Ramasses the GreatHere is an example of evidence supporting the Bible in 1 Kings 14:25 and 2 Chronicles 12:1-12 which refers to a King Shisak of Egypt.
Shishak is a translation for the pharaoh Shoshenq 1 who campaigned in Canaan and left details of his campaign at Karnak in Egypt which is consistent with the Biblical account.
This is the type of evidence required to support Exodus namely the Egyptian side of the story.
This is a fringe theory, the consensus is Shishak is associated with Shoshenq 1 whose alternative name in Egyptian is Shoshek which is very close to Shishak.Not if you talk to David Rohl who suggest Shishak is Ramasses the Great
I'm afraid your argument the environment has destroyed human remains doesn't hold water as Neolithic human remains thousands of years older than Exodus have been found.Just in case you'd not already seen it (I'm not assuming you have not), you might like to have some parts of this:
How many Israelites left Egypt in the exodus? | GotQuestions.org
How many Israelites left Egypt in the exodus? If there were around 600,000 military-aged men in the exodus, how many total people were there?www.gotquestions.org
Also, there's no reason to expect any trace of nomadic movement in the desert where the people aren't staying put for lengthy time (decades) and making pottery....
Also, there's no reason to expect animal remains to last in the desert when they are not buried or preserved in a vault/tomb.
Sand movement (like in wind) can reduce bones to dust.
"In neutral-pH soil or sand, the skeleton can persist for hundreds of years before it finally disintegrates." -- Skeletonization - Wikipedia
Obviously the time since the exodus is of a different order of magnitude than hundreds of years -- it's thousands of years.
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So, in summary, arguments that the exodus could not happened are just generally erroneous. I take it for granted some kind of exodus/migration happened, which is very ordinary and commonplace -- humans on the move is normal on Earth.
But, if you are talking to someone that has an agenda (like maybe they want there not to have been any Israelites ever in Egypt or other such odd viewpoints, it's best to just focus on only 1 question at a time, if I could suggest that to you. Don't argue 3 or 5 things at once, I'd suggest. So, if someone gives you a talking point list they have copy and pasted, etc, just choose 1 item from it, and point out that a laundry list can be a way for someone to create an ideology, instead of investigating facts.
Also, don't ever invest yourself in a theory. Just be happy to gain more information, all the time.
Perhaps you are in part here pointing out (preaching to the choir if to me) that humanity is vastly older than 10,000 years? I'm glad that many of us work to show others that.I'm afraid your argument the environment has destroyed human remains doesn't hold water as Neolithic human remains thousands of years older than Exodus have been found.
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The human remains come from the Neolithic sites found at Ujrat el Mehed, Abu Madi I, and Wadi Tbeik.
This issue I had with your post#35 was this statement.Perhaps you are in part here pointing out (preaching to the choir if to me) that humanity is vastly older than 10,000 years? I'm glad that many of us work to show others that.
I'd like it if everyone knows that human type remains tens of thousands of years old have been found in very many places....
Of course, remains don't last on a surface where they can be eroded by blowing sand for more than just a few hundred years....as I was pointing out in the post you are responding to here.
Perhaps you are just trying to suggest one should find bones in caves? Of course! One should, in most any cave in the world, if not for wild animals and such removing them to gnaw on. If you ever had a dog for a few years, you learn how that goes. So, we can tell anyone that of course wild animals would remove bones that are not carefully sealed up, as it's only fact.
But who doesn't know that vastly old remains have been found that were sealed up (older than when the exodus is thought to have happened) -- don't we all know that?
This is why burials and tombs and sealing are common everywhere on Earth of course. Another great thing for preservation is freezing/ice. Another great way is a tar pit, but that's far less available.
The Neolithic human remains were buried in graves, if I was to take your statement literally no human remains would be left, the fact that they do exist invalidates your argument.In neutral-pH soil or sand, the skeleton can persist for hundreds of years before it finally disintegrates." -- Skeletonization - Wikipedia
Obviously the time since the exodus is of a different order of magnitude than hundreds of years -- it's thousands of years.
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