continuing random thoughts for consideration

Chickapee · Jun 30, 2011

Great to see you made it back Wheeler , in one piece , I understand about the time thing , we are also very , very busy right now too ,
Thanks for the verses and your post ! wow ,
I sure dont want to be religious in the sense of self righteous .. not ever
I know I dont have it all figured out
but I do Love the Lord and love how He helps me to see things in His WORD that makes me want to look into them deeper

the Cherubim and Flaming Sword guard and do keep the way protected from the Tree of Life from the evil minded
so the parables are those cherubim Gen 3:24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Eze 1:4¶And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness [was] about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also out of the midst thereof [came] the likeness of four living creatures. And this [was] their appearance; they had the likeness of a manis that verse above the flaming sword ?

or is this something else ?

here is a strange expression of them ?

Eze 1:13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance [was] like burning coals of fire, [and] like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

I thank you for explaining what you have Bro .

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 30, 2011

continuing random thoughts for consideration

Wheeler said:
The definition of “unorthodox:” not conforming to accepted rules or standards.

As can plainly be seen in the Bible, Jesus was “unorthodox” in his teaching…while the “orthodox” Pharisees, Sadducees, scribes and lawyers opposed his doctrine for their own accepted rules or standards….doctrines of men. Jesus spoke the Truth to the “orthodox” established religious order of the day and yet they did not listen. Today, the “orthodox” establishment will also be concerned about their own doctrines and commandments…their own interpretations…their own traditions of men….their own tenets. Will they also not listen to the revealing of the Truth?

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Wheeler · Jul 1, 2011

Hi LittleLambofJesus....thank you for reading and considering.....and WELCOME!

Wheeler · Jul 1, 2011

Hi Chickapee,

Thank you. I did make it back in one piece!

I certainly dont have everything figured out neither.and I hope I dont come across as self-righteous in here. I am not the know it all as it seems.

Yes, it is the Lord who gives us the desire in our hearts to investigate His Word deeperthank God for that. We are to search out a matter to see if what we hear is true.like the Bereans did when they heard the preaching of Paul. There is a hidden truth in the Scriptures.and that Truth is Jesus Christ who is to be revealed in this last day..the revelation of Jesus Christ.and He is for our deliverance from the erroneous teachings of man that bring hatred, divisions, envy and strife into the churches.

Proverbs 25:2 KJV
(2) It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

The natural mind will think that the spiritual things of the Scriptures are foolish.for they are spiritually discerned. He shall hear the revealing of the Truth in this last day but shall not believe in it.and so his lack of faith keeps him out. Instead, he wants to keep the parable version of the Bible.where the naturally-minded religious man argues and fights overand knows not His righteousness. He shall be ever learning but not be able to come to the Truth because of his lack of faith.the flaming sword turns every way. The parables keep him from the WAY of the Tree of Life.from the joy and gladness.from the love and peace....all because of his lack of faith in the Truth.

Genesis 3:24 KJV
(24) So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

The WAY shall be protected from the unclean....the unbelievers of the revealed Truth in this last day.

Isaiah 35:8-10 KJV
(8) And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

No false teachers shall be there.the lion.the ravenous beast. His redeemed sheep will no longer hear their voicesfor they shall all know the Truth in this last day. They shall escape from those who are living and preaching error.

(9) No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:

The fighting, envy, strife and hatred that are currently experienced by many in the church because of the erroneous teachings of man shall be replaced with joy and gladness of heart.for they will believe in and DO the revealed Truth in this last day.

(10) And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

When religious man shall hear the revealed Truth, he will no longer be in ignorance. He will be without excuse in his continuance of preaching and doing erroneous things. The Scriptures will then no longer be the suffering servant but will be living and powerful in the judgment of those who will continue to wrest them. We are to rest from our own religious works and thoughts and teachings.in order to enter into His rest.His thoughts and ways which are holy.

Hebrews 4:10-12 KJV
(10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
(11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

..for the Word of Godthe Flaming Sword is LIVING and powerful..

(12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

He will come near to those who will continue to wrest and deceive the sheep of God with their erroneous teachings that come from the natural mind and the covetous heart of religious men..

Malachi 3:5 KJV
(5) And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.

The wresting of the Scriptures shall become like the lice in the land of Egypt. It will become a source of problems upon the prideful, hardened hearts of those who will continue to sin willfully after they had heard the revealed Truth being preached to them.

Exodus 8:16-19 KJV
(16) And the LORD said unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Stretch out thy rod, and smite the dust of the land, that it may become lice throughout all the land of Egypt.
(17) And they did so; for Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod, and smote the dust of the earth, and it became lice in man, and in beast; all the dust of the land became lice throughout all the land of Egypt.
(18) And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.
(19) Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

To be continued..

Norah63 · Jul 1, 2011

Can two walk togeather except they be agreed? We find groups because they find an agreement with one another. Churches, forums, ect.
No one is decieved unless they want to be. There seems to be safety in numbers, so there will always be those who want to listen to man more that to the voice of Jesus.
His sheep hear His voice. And another they will not follow.
I am new here. Seeking words of wisdom from fellow posters.

Chickapee · Jul 1, 2011

no not you Bro W , not at all
I was examining myself , see I struggle with understanding certain things and also not being able to express in words what the Lord is showing me at times .. I DO appreciate you very much and hope to never offend anyone , with my own ways of thinking , I ask for the Holy Spirits help often because it does not come easy for me and I have to keep it simple or I get lost in translations

just being honest , before the Lord and you all ,, Love in Christ C ..

Chickapee · Jul 1, 2011

Greeting Norah63
and Hi Lamby
and Amen Bro W .. I do see the SWORD / WORD OF GOD as flaming
God is a consuming fire
Eph 6:17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints
love the vrse you chose I looked into that as well earlier ,,
sorry i am rushed today , going to spend it with my sister , she is having trouble with comprehension , but has a lovely sweet Spirit about her , and I miss her
love in Christ C ...

Wheeler · Jul 2, 2011

Hi Norah63,

Thanks for reading and your input. Glad you are here!

Wheeler · Jul 2, 2011

Chickapee,

I hope your sister is doing alright. Sorry to hear that about her trouble with comprehension.

I don't think you have ever offended any one in here! You are such a kind heart....I just don't think that is possible.

Keeping posting your thoughts....and it will come to you definitely.

Wheeler · Jul 2, 2011

The Truth is to be revealed in this last day and ALL will hear His voice. But how will each person respond to the hearing of the Truth? Many will hear and obey.passing from death.from hating one another because of erroneous doctrines of men.and entering into the true Life where there is love, peace, joy of heart. They will put on the new man in Christ Jesus who is that Truth. They will let the King rule over their hearts.

Others of the church will rise up in their prideful, hardened hearts to oppose it. The preaching of the Truth shall reveal them as the corporate man of sin. They will not put on the new man but will instead seek to keep things the way they are in their church lives. They will be united in their minds against His Truth which is to be preached for their goodfor their salvation from their errors and hateful ways towards one another. They will show themselves as God in their own heartswhich is the temple of God. We are the temple of God whom He intends to sit inupon the throne of our hearts. If we oppose His Truth in this last day with a hardened heart, then we are making ourselves as Godsitting as God in our hearts. We are keeping our OWN thoughts and ways higher than His..which is rebellion.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The unbelieving religious man will have his prideful heart punished as a result.whoever exalts himself against the revealed Truth will be humbled.

Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

What he has heard with his ears..the Truth.must be taken away from him in order to be punished. He will not be able to enter in because of his lack of faith.

Mark 4:23-25 KJV
(23) If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
(24) And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
(25) For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.

Since the man of sin sits as God in his heart (behold, the man is become as one of us) he must not know the deep mysteries of the kingdom....

Genesis 3:22-24 KJV
(22) And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

.he is to be driven out from His presence to till.or be enslaved to the ground from where he was taken. We are currently set apart as His people from the rest of the world. If we rebel against the revealing of the Truth, then we are given over to a reprobate mind to be filled with all unrighteousness as judgment so we may learn who made who.

(23) Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Religious man will not know the WAY of righteousness because of his continuance of sins against the Truth.

(24) So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

.many shall follow the ruinous ways of those who will deny the Lord. They will contradict His Truth.speaking evil of the WAY of Truth.

2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
(1) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
(2) And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

They will not have liked to retain God in their knowledge. The word here in Romans 1:28 for like means to test, to approve, to inspect, to search. We are to be like the Bereans and search out the Truth when we hear with our ears the Word of Truth being preached in this last day. We are to inspect the Word of God and HOLD onto.RETAIN.. His revealed Word in our hearts. The unbelieving people of the churches will hear the revealed Word being preached in this last day.but they will not go into the Word to look for it and neither will go on to knowing the full knowledge (Greek: epignosis) of God for they will not approve of what they will hear. Since they will not approve of the Truth and will not search it out in the Scriptures, they are to be given over to an unapproved mind..to till the ground that they had previously been taken. The Way of Truth is truly guarded.for they will not venture upon it.

Romans 1:28-32 KJV
(28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
(29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
(30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
(31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
(32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

To repeat, their lack of faith will keep them from the love, peace, joy of heart.from true Life. They will not have received the love of the Truth that they might be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 KJV
(9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And so God sends them a strong delusion so that they should believe a lie.

(11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

.so that they might be judged for not believing in the revealed Truth but had pleasure in their own unrighteousness.

(12) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

These men shall be destitute of the Truth..because they will have lacked faith in it when they will hear it in this last day. We are to take heed on how we hear.for those who do not will have, what they had heard will be removed from their hearts. They shall believe in a liesupposing that gain is godliness. They will think that their growing church numbers are a sign of their approval.

1 Timothy 6:5 KJV
(5) Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

God is patient with us thoughnot wanting anyone to perish but to come to the repentance of the Truth. We are to crucify the old man of religion voluntarily. We are to change our fleshly, religious thinking for the spiritual mind of Christ..then we can truly understand the mysteries of the kingdom that are hidden in the Scriptures. But His Spirit will not always strive with man..the fleshly thinking of man who will rise up in his religious pride against the Truth.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

They are to be judged according to men in the flesh so that they might live to God in the Spirit. The old man of the flesh.his thoughts and waysare to perish. The pride of the unbelieving people of the church must be broken.for every knee shall bow.and every tongue shall confess

1 Peter 4:6 KJV
(6) For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

Our God is patient.His patience is our salvationas we make up our minds about the hearing of the Truth. He will send His messengers forth to preach the Truth to the people of the church.because He will have compassion on His people and on His dwelling place.our hearts. He shall deliver us from false teachers who have deceived the many and led His sheep away from Lifeaway from love and peace and joy.

2 Chronicles 36:15-16 KJV
(15) And the LORD God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers, rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place:

But His Spirit will not always strive with manfor the unbelievers shall mock the messengers and will despise His Word of Truth in this last day. His patience has a limit.

(16) But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy.

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Wheeler · Jul 2, 2011

.....continued from previous post...

The man of sin is to be humbled by him being given over to a reprobate mind to work all unrighteousness. There will be no rest for the wicked. The wicked of the church will be revealed at the preaching of the Truth.they will negatively react to what they will hear. They will mock His messengers and will despise His Word. The man of sins heart is to be changed from a mans to the heart of a beast.as judgment for his pride and stubbornness. Remember.this is what happened to Nebuchadnezzar. History repeats itself.

Dan 4:16 Let his heart be changed from man's, and let a beast's heart be given unto him; and let seven times pass over him.

The unbelieving religious man will live like a beast in his heart as he will be given over to a reprobate mind to do things which are not convenient. His folly shall be manifest for all to see.

Daniel 4:24-37 KJV
(24) This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree of the most High, which is come upon my lord the king:

..until they KNOW that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men. He rules over the hearts of men even though they will rebel against him. They will learn the hard way. When His judgments are in the earththe HEART.then men shall LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

(25) That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

And it is very important to keep this in mindeven though they will be judged as men in the flesh, the ultimate goal is for them to come to be the acknowledgement of the Truth. Their spirit will live to God. Everyone who will exalt themselves shall be humbled.the hard way.so that they may learn a lesson..that God is King and Jesus is Lord over them.

(26) And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots;thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.

It is better to humbly accept the counsel of the Word of Truth.and do it. The instruction still stands for us today as it did to Nebuchadnezzar: to break off our sins by His righteousness.and to quit deceiving the sheep of God for our covetous ways and thoughts.showing mercy to the poor in Spirit. We are to rest from our own religious works and enter into His rest.His tranquility. We are to preach the Truth to His sheep.to feed His sheep the Truth.

(27) Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.
(28) All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.
(29) At the end of twelve months he walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.

Whoever will exalt their selves shall be humbled. As He hears, He judges. The man of sin shall speak proud words in the time of the end (at the end of twelve months). The man of sin shall sit in the throne of his own heart as God showing himself as God.

(30) The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?

As He hears, He judges..

(31) While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.

.....and they will be given over to a reprobate mind so that they may KNOW in the end that it is God who rules over the hearts of men.

(32) And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.
(33) The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.

The ultimate goal is for the prideful of the church is to learn His righteousness.to be humbled.for every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess..

(34) And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:

the inhabitants of the earth = those who stubbornly resist the Truth in the end of days in their prideful hearts. Unfortunately, they will choose the hard way to learn His righteousness.

(35) And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
(36) At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.

His works are Truth.and His ways judgment. He judges as He hears. Those that will walk in pride are to be humbled in His judgment.

(37) Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

to be continued....

Wheeler · Jul 2, 2011

[FONT=&quot]Continued from previous post[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Just wanted to add and clarify a couple of things about the events of Nebuchadnezzars humbling experience. Nebuchadnezzar had received the knowledge of the Truth before the judgment of God came upon him. He knew better.and so also will this be repeated in the church in these last days. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Hebrews 10:26-27 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](26)[FONT=&quot] For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](27)[FONT=&quot] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Daniel had preached the Word of Truth to Nebuchadnezzar before the judgment of God befell him. In this last day, we are also to take heed of the preaching of the Truth and DO it. Nebuchadnezzar is an example for us today.for history will repeat itself. We are going to be instructed into the Way of righteousness.just as Nebuchadnezzar was by the preaching of Daniel. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Daniel 4:27-32 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](27)[FONT=&quot] Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]All this came upon him.the Truth was revealed to Nebuchadnezzar. He was no longer in ignorance of the instruction into the Way of righteousness. He received the knowledge of the Truthbut he did not take heed to what was preached. History will repeat itself in these last days. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](28)[FONT=&quot] All this came upon the king Nebuchadnezzar.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Our God is patientHis patience is for our salvation. Nebuchadnezzar had 12 months to hear and obey. He had received the instructionbut did not do it. The 12 months signifies the acceptable year of the Lord. It also shows us the sealing of the 12 tribes of Israel.those who will first trust in the Lord and His Truthbefore the day of judgmentbefore the day of wrath comes. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](29)[FONT=&quot] At the end of twelve monthshe walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Nebuchadnezzar was instructed to break off his sins by the righteousness of God and show mercy to the poor. He was instructed to preach the gospel to the poor.to preach it in the acceptable year of the Lordthe 12 months. This is what we are to do after we have believed and have did the Truth. We are to be sealed with His holy Spirit to preach the gospel to the poor in Spirit.to those in the church who have been robbed of love, peace and joy in their hearts. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Luke 4:18-19 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](18)[FONT=&quot] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](19)[FONT=&quot] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]During the 12 months.during the preaching of deliverance in the acceptable year of the Lord..those who will first trust in the Truth shall be sealed. There are 12 tribes of Israel. Judgment does not start until all of those who are to be sealed are sealed. We are to believe in the Truth and DO IT in this last dayand be sealedto be protected from the coming Day of wrath. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 7:2-3 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](2)[FONT=&quot] And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](3)[FONT=&quot] Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]His patience is our salvation.as we make up our minds about the hearing of the Truth. But His Spirit will not always strive with man who will resist the Truth and not do it. His days shall be 120. Again, 12 months = the acceptable year of the Lord in which man is to hear and receive and do the Truth. The 12 tribes of Israel shall be sealed before the coming day of wrath upon those who will be disobedient to the Truth. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Gen 6:3[FONT=&quot] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]But note at the END of 12 months, Nebuchadnezzar walked in the palace or TEMPLE of the kingdom of Babylon. This signifies religious man sitting in the temple as God.in the temple of the heart where God should be ruling. The acceptable year of the Lord had ended.for the 12 months were completed. All that is left now for willful sins is the expectation of wrath. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Daniel 4:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](29)[FONT=&quot] At the end of twelve monthshe walked in the palace of the kingdom of Babylon.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Nebuchadnezzar willfully sinned in his prideful, hardened heart. He had heard the revealing of the Truth.for Daniel had preached to him the instruction on how to correct himself. He was without excuse.he was not in ignorance of the Truth. He heard it but did not do it. Again, history will repeat itself in the church. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](30)[FONT=&quot] The king spake, and said, Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honour of my majesty?[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]As He hears, He judges..[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](31)[FONT=&quot] While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](32)[FONT=&quot] And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]and so the Truththe understandingis to be removed from them as they are given over to a reprobate mind so as to learn not to vilify the Truth. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Daniel 4:32-37 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](32)[FONT=&quot] And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](33)[FONT=&quot] The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot].[FONT=&quot]and at the end of their judgment, their understanding shall return to them..and their knee shall bow before Him and their tongue shall confess that He is Lord over their hearts.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](34)[FONT=&quot] And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](35)[FONT=&quot] And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](36)[FONT=&quot] At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](37)[FONT=&quot] Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.[/FONT][/FONT]

to be continued....

Chickapee · Jul 2, 2011

25) That they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and they shall make thee to eat grass as oxen, and they shall wet thee with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee, till thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.

And it is very important to keep this in mind……even though they will be judged as men in the flesh, the ultimate goal is for them to come to be the acknowledgement of the Truth. Their spirit will live to God. Everyone who will exalt themselves shall be humbled….the hard way….so that they may learn a lesson…..that God is King and Jesus is Lord over them.

(26) And whereas they commanded to leave the stump of the tree roots;thy kingdom shall be sure unto thee, after that thou shalt have known that the heavens do rule.

It is better to humbly accept the counsel of the Word of Truth….and do it. The instruction still stands for us today as it did to Nebuchadnezzar: to break off our sins by His righteousness….and to quit deceiving the sheep of God for our covetous ways and thoughts….showing mercy to the “poor in Spirit.” We are to rest from our own religious works and enter into His rest….His “tranquility.” We are to preach the Truth to His sheep….to feed His sheep the Truth.

Hi Wheeler , good thoughts going on here , the pruning of the branches is cutting off the excess

that the Lord uses to humble us , it seems when King Neb , was an example here of cutting down the tree

it was a severe chastisment ..
leaving roots there is hope still for that Tree , men were as trees walking

the man saw once when Jesus was healing him , the works of King Nebs hands and heart / mind were what exalted him ,

thinking it was all he had done so everyone would obey him ,

but now after this work of God he was confessing the Lord God is in all power for all time ..
Job 14:5 Seeing his days [are] determined, the number of his months [are] with thee,

thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;

Turn from him, that he may rest,

till he shall accomplish, as an hireling, his day.

this part reminds me of Job

Job 14:7For there is hope of a tree, if it be cut down, that it will sprout again,

and that the tender branch thereof will not cease.

Though the root thereof wax old in the earth, and the stock thereof die in the ground

this also makes me think of Pauls words about being ''rooted and grounded in Love ''

Eph 3:17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Jesus was here all along the whole book is about Him , His name and He was hidden as Spirit & Word ,

till the Lord GOD ALMIGHTY sent Him in the flesh linage of David .

but was concieved by Holy Spirit as His only begotten Son ...

Wheeler · Jul 3, 2011

Chickapee,

Indeed, there is still hope for the trees.for those OF THE CHURCH who will exalt themselves against the Truth in this last day. Men are definitely represented by TREES. The Scriptures are written and interpreted for a target audience for obedience.His people. It is the religious who are to believe in the revealed Scripture of Truth in this last day or else face the judgment of God for their hard, unrepentant hearts. Their hearts shall be cut down in order to humble it.

[FONT=&quot]John 3:18-21 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](18)[FONT=&quot] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]And this is the reason for judgment: that the Light of the knowledge of God will be revealed to the current religious world of men and yet some of them will love the darkness of their own erroneous religious thoughts and ways over His revealed knowledge that instruct us into His thoughts and ways. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](19)[FONT=&quot] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](20)[FONT=&quot] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](21)[FONT=&quot] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Men are as trees. Mens hearts are as the earth.and men are as the roaring sea that will have no rest because of their lack of faith in the Truth that will be revealed in this last day for their salvation. They shall be hurt of the second death because of their rejection of the Truth. Their old man.whose thoughts and ways are fleshly and not spiritual.shall perish by a severe correction. Yet, this is done so that their spirit may live unto God. But why stubbornly reject the message? Why not do it? Why go through that correction process? Why be hurt by the second death? It is better to hear and believe by doing the Truth and be sealed as a servant of God [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 7:1-3 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](1)[FONT=&quot] And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](2)[FONT=&quot] And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](3)[FONT=&quot] Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In some men, the old man will be killed early onas the hurtful words of false prophets they will follow instead of the Truth will cause them to change their minds.and they will depart from them. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 9:18-21 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](18)[FONT=&quot] By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](19)[FONT=&quot] For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot].but others will keep going on willfully in their religious ways and thoughts. They will follow the pernicious ways of their pastors.the serpentsthe scorpionsthe wild beasts of the field. They will NOT repent of the works of their hands and their covetous, erroneous ways. They will not kill the old man of their thoughts and ways that they will stubbornly cling on to. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](20)[FONT=&quot] And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]They will not repent of the hatred of their brothers who will believe and do the Truth. They will not repent of their wresting of the Scriptures for deceptive purposes.for money gatheringfor covetousness. They will not repent of the taking advantage of the sheep of God with their sorceries. Their chains will just grow heavier.their punishment more severe. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](21)[FONT=&quot] Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The prudent will flee from the evil that they will see coming out of their false pastors mouths.but the simple will just keep going on unrepentant and will be punished for their stubborn hearts.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Proverbs 22:3[FONT=&quot] A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Listening and following the ways of false pastors.who are the serpents.the scorpions.the beasts of the field.shall ultimately destroy their old man of the flesh eventually. They will experience hurt by following the wrong people in the day of the revealing of the Truth. This is what it means to deliver one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh.to let them go ahead and follow the wrong people after they had been warned by the preaching of the Truth. The ultimate goal is for their fleshly ways and thoughts to be destroyed so that their spirit may be saved in the Day of the Lord Jesus.in the Day of wrathin the Day of judgment. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1 Corinthians 5:4-5 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](4)[FONT=&quot] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](5)[FONT=&quot] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Remember the judgment of king Nebuchadnezzar who did not heed the preaching of Danielwho did not find acceptable the instruction into the Way of righteousness. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Daniel 4:31-32 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](31)[FONT=&quot] While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]His dwelling was with the beasts of the field.in other words, he dwelled with FALSE PROPHETS. THEY made him eat grass as oxen. The false pastors shall also make people in the last time to eat things that are sacrificed to idols.their own covetousness.as judgment for a prideful, hardened, unrepentant heart. They shall preach destructive teachings that will leave one completely destitute of the Truth. This is already at work in the church. Eventually, people will get tired of it and will leaveand they will acknowledge that God is in control of their hearts. This is to teach them a lesson.they WILL LEARN His righteousness. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](32)[FONT=&quot] And they shall drive thee from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field: [/FONT][FONT=&quot]they [/FONT][FONT=&quot]shall make thee to eat grass as oxen,[/FONT][FONT=&quot]and seven times shall pass over thee, until thou know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]....continued in next post...
[/FONT]

Wheeler · Jul 3, 2011

[FONT=&quot]....continued from previous post...

We are to remember Isaiahs reaction after seeing the King. Isaiah saw the revealed Truth of God in the year that king Uzziah died. The death of king Uzziah signifies the dying of our pride in our hearts. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Isaiah 6:1-13 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](1) [FONT=&quot]In the year that king Uzziah died[/FONT][FONT=&quot] I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Uzziah started out seeking the Lord but eventually was known for his prideful heart in the end. Our hearts belong to Jehovah.not to our pride. We are to let the king of pride die in our hearts so that we may understand Gods revealed will and do it. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]2 Chronicles 26:16 KJV[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](16[FONT=&quot]) But when he was strong[/FONT][FONT=&quot], his heart was lifted up to his destruction: for he transgressed against the LORD his God, and went into the temple of the LORD to burn incense upon the altar of incense.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The seraphim are the revealed Scriptures.and they show the judgment of those who will not humble themselves to the Truth. What theythe prideful unbelievers will have heard in the Scripture of Truth shall be removed from their understandingtheir eyes will be blinded (the wings covered the face).and they shall walk in darkness( the wings covered the feet)because of their lack of faith and prideful hearts. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Isaiah 6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](2) [FONT=&quot]Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The writings of Moses and the Prophets cry out to each other in the Truth..they all speak of the holiness of Jehovah. His knowledge is revealed in all of the places of the Scriptures and they confirm one another. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](3)[FONT=&quot] And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](4)[FONT=&quot] And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This is what our reaction to seeing the Truth should be. We are to acknowledge our errorsour sinsour missing of the mark of the Truth. We have all misinterpreted the Scriptures and we dwell among those who wrest them. Woe is me.we are to lament for our sins. A humbled and contrite heart is an acceptable sacrifice unto God. I am undone..which means to be silentor to perish. We are to cease from our previous erroneous preaching as we see the Truth being revealed. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](5)[FONT=&quot] Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]He is just and merciful.He will forgive us of our sinsour previous erroneous preachingour missing of the mark of the Truth. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](6)[FONT=&quot] Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar:[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](7)[FONT=&quot] And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]And once we have humbled ourselves in our hearts to the Truth and have ceased from our errors, we can then be His messenger of the Truth.. Here am I, send me. We are to preach the Word of Truth to others in the church who have not heard it yet. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](8)[FONT=&quot] Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]We are to go tell the people the Truth.but with a warning of the coming judgment for the unbelief in it. The seraphim had symbolically showed this very message with their wings that covered their face and feet.. for concealing. Those who will not have faith in the Truth shall have their understanding removed from them..so as to guard the Way of righteousness. They shall be judged for their prideful, hard, unrepentant hearts because they did not believe in the Scripture of Truth when it was preached to them. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](9)[FONT=&quot] And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The hard heart of the unbeliever shall be utterly desolated as judgment..[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](11[FONT=&quot]) Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](12)[FONT=&quot] And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]But here it is againthere is HOPE for those who will suffer the judgment. They SHALL RETURN to Him..a humbled, believing people that are eager to do His will. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot](13)[FONT=&quot] But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]This is directly comparable to what Nebuchadnezzar sawthe stump of the roots was left in the earth.the HEART of man who is to be cut down and destroyed. There is HOPE for the tree. the man who will not believe and will be prideful against the Truth. God will judge most severely.but for the ultimate goal of humbling his heart. Every knee show bowand every tongue shall confess the Truth in the end. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Dan 4:23[FONT=&quot] And whereas the king saw a watcher and an holy one coming down from heaven, and saying, Hew the tree down, and destroy it; yet leave the stump of the roots thereof in the earth,even with a band of iron and brass, in the tender grass of the field; and let it be wet with the dew of heaven, and let his portion be with the beasts of the field, till seven times pass over him;[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]To be continued[/FONT]

Chickapee · Jul 3, 2011

Amen!! Hope in the Holy seed shall be in the stump of the tree , not much is said of King Nebchadnezzer after his judgemt come upon him and confessed the Lord is in power over all things

all them examples are for us to this DAY ..

I never saw the Serphims like that but sure can see them as part of Gods mysterious works unfolding for sure .
it reminds me of this Paul also teaches us to look into

1Cr 10:11Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

all of this is great advice

1 Corinthians 10

1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
14Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 15I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say

wow and we know Babylon means confusion , so this King Nebuchadnezzer was in idolatry fully till the Lord come to Judge his heart and kingdom
figurativly as a warning to us now , but literally at King Nebs time ...same thing can happen to us literally now as than ..
Thanks for your posts they are very edifying Bro W .. in Christ's grace ... C

Wheeler · Jul 4, 2011

Hi Chickapee,

Happy 4th of July!

The message is very simple for this last daywe shall all hear the Scripture of Truth (the seraphim) being preached in this last day by His messengers who are sent forth (Isaiah: Here am I, send me) and each person of the church has to make a choice.either to believe in it and DO it or not..and suffer the consequencesthe judgment. The revealing of the TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE from the errors and prisons of religious man.TRUE INDEPENDENCE! Jesus is that Truth who comes so that we may have true lifelove, peace, and joy.and to have it more abundantly.

Some will humble their hearts to the Truth and receive the love of it or they will rise up in their pride and speak evil of it in the hardness of their hearts. Those who will not believe among His people WILL be humbled in a severe, corrective way.and the Scriptures are FULL of examples of that humbling process. Nebuchadnezzar is just one example of many who had suffered the judgment. We are to REMEMBER, REMEMBER, REMEMBER them. They are angelsthey are messengers.they are witnesses of His judgment for our benefit TODAY.

The seraphim, in my opinion, represent the revealed Scriptures and the coming judgment for not believing in their witness. As a result of believing and doing what is said in Jesus Christwho is the Truth.God shall sit in our hearts as King. He shall dwell and rule within us on the throne of our hearts. Our hearts are made for Him. Whoever shall humble their heart at the Truth, God shall exalt. I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne high and lifted up. He shall exalt our humbled hearts.and He shall sit upon the throne of our hearts if we can hear, believe and DO His commandments.

Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.

We can hear His voice in the preaching of the Scripture of Truth (the seraphim).we can know His will and DO itso that He may sit in our hearts and rule as King over our hearts.

Isaiah 6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

The seraphim symbolically portray the judgment of those who will not believe in the Scripture of Truth because of their prideful, hardened hearts. Those who will exalt their hearts shall be humbled in a severe, corrective way. The wings covering the face show us the lack of understanding (the darkness) that will come from the unbelief of the preaching of the Truth. The wings covering the feet show us the darkness that those who will not believe in the Truth will walk in. The wings that make them fly show us the swiftness and activeness of the judgments. The Word of God will be a swift witness.it flies.the judgment will not sleep.

Isaiah 6:9-10 KJV
(9) And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.

Shut their eyes = the wings covering the face. Once the eyes of your understanding have been shut because of unbelief, then a person will stumble around in the darkness.the wings covering the feet.

(10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Jesus links it all for us here in John 12. We are to believe and walk in the Light of the knowledge of God in this last day while we hear it.lest the judgment comes upon us because of our unbelief in the revealed Truth.lest the darkness come upon us (the wings covering the face). For he that walks in darkness (wings covering the feet,) knows not where he goes.

John 12:35-46 KJV
(35) Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

We are to believe in the Light of the knowledge of God as we hear it being preached in this last day. God sends His messengers out to the people of the church with the gospel of deliverance from religious mans erroneous thoughts and ways. We are to believe in it as we hear it in the acceptable year of the Lord. When we preach the revealed Truth, we preach Jesus.yet, he will depart from and hide His understanding from those who will not believe. The wings cover the face and the feet. History repeats itself for the people of the church.

(36) While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
(37) But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:

He will send His messengers forth with the Truth. As Isaiah said, Here am I, send me. But who in the churches will believe in the Truth when they hear it? Who will believe in the report?

(38) That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

Those who will not believe in the Scripture of Truth (the seraphim) will have the eyes of their understanding blinded.and those who are blinded will stumble around in the darkness.

(39) Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
(40) He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

These things did Isaiah preach when he saw His glory.he saw the knowledge of God revealed in the Scripturesand he preached Him. The messengers will also preach the Scripture of Truth (the seraphim) in this last day. They will preach what they see in the Scriptures..the revealed Truth. Jesus is that Truth.

(41) These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

Again, Paul shows us that seraphim are the Scriptures as preached in Jesusthe Truth. He expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus (the Truth) BOTH out of the Law of Moses and the Prophets (THE SERAPHIM). Paul preached from morning till evening.the seraphim cease not crying to one another day by day.

Acts 28:23-27 KJV
(23) And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Some believed the things which were spoken out of the Scripture of Truth(the seraphim).others did NOT believe. And so history will repeat itself today in the churches in the hearing of the Truth in this last day.

(24) And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

Those who will not believe shall depart.just as they did 2000 years ago.

(25) And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,

And so the judgment that the seraphim had graphically portrayed by their wings covering the face and feet shall come upon the unbelievers of the church. Their eyes shall be covered and they shall depart and walk in the darkness because of their unbelief in the Truth.

(26) Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
(27) For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

For without in the outer darkness shall be those of the church who will not believe in the preaching of the Scripture of Truth. This is all to His people.

Revelation 22:14-15 KJV
(14) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
(15 ) For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Gods judgment will come upon them to humble their hearts..so that they may live according to the Spirit.

To be continued.

Chickapee · Jul 4, 2011

Hi Wheeler , I sorta do see this now after looking closer to this , the seraph

I was thinking of how hard it would be to change from the Law of Moses to the Law of Christ ,

the Jewish nation was given the written law on tables of stone .. seeing this as their hearts ,

we see what a time the Lord had with showing his chosen twelve students /disciples to learn the new and living way

by the Word and Spirit of God though Jesus Christ ,

it was when Jesus resurrected and returned to them 11 that they were able to see with burning hearts

for God the truth of the scriptures as they were veiled by the Law of Moses .. found these also

Seraphim, literally "burning ones", is the plural of "seraph", more properly sarap

Luk 24:27And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the

things concerning himself.

Luk 24:32And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us,

while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

Luk 24:45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Luk 12:49I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth?

I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided,

three against two, and two against three.

The father shall be divided against the son,

and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter,

and the daughter against the mother;

the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

these are them who become Christians divided by those who are still under Judaism , Paul states here

Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

:

2Cr 3:13 And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face,

that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the

end of that which is abolished:

2Cr 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the

same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;
which [vail] is done away in Christ.

2Cr 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

I also thought of Jesus flesh being the Hbr 10:20By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us,

through the veil, that is to say, his flesh

And [having] an high priest over the house of God

this be the opening of His Word and Spirit poured out upon us

peace C .

Chickapee · Jul 4, 2011

Happy 4th of July!

The message is very simple for this last day……we shall all hear the Scripture of Truth (the seraphim) being preached in this last day by His messengers who are sent forth (Isaiah: Here am I, send me) and each person of the church has to make a choice….either to believe in it and DO it or not…..and suffer the consequences…the judgment. The revealing of the TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE from the errors and prisons of religious man….TRUE INDEPENDENCE! Jesus is that Truth who comes so that we may have true life……love, peace, and joy….and to have it more abundantly.

Happy 4th to you and your Bro W .

and I can see this being a truth now , Thanks so much for the help Lord and sending Wheeler

Hbr 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits,

and his ministers a flame of fire.
in Jesus peace C .

Wheeler · Jul 6, 2011

Chickapee,

I definitely see the Seraphim as the burning ones..Moses and the Prophets (including the words of the apostles).the correctly interpreted Word of God. In my opinion, they are the mighty angels that come with Him in flaming fire to take vengeance on those of His people who know not God and obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is the Truth of their words and they are His holy messengers..and we are to believe in the preaching of the Truth in this last day.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 KJV
(7) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
(8) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(9) Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
(10) When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

The Seraphim represent the Scriptures.Moses and the Prophets. The words of His people as interpreted by Christ are the powerful messengersthe holy angels.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

The Seraphim.the Scriptures proclaim His holiness.in all of its revealed Truth.

Isaiah 6:2-3 KJV
(2) Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
(3) And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Think about this..king Nebuchadnezzar is one of those angels of the Truth.for his witness of Gods judgment upon the proud of heart is recorded for our benefit today. Nebuchadnezzar blesses Jehovah and honors Him after he had did His commandments.

Daniel 4:34-37 KJV
(34) And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
(35) And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
(36) At the same time my reason returned unto me; and for the glory of my kingdom, mine honour and brightness returned unto me; and my counsellors and my lords sought unto me; and I was established in my kingdom, and excellent majesty was added unto me.
(37) Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

Nebuchadnezzar is one of those powerful angels who speaks to us TODAY in the Scripture of Truth. He is one of the messengers who blesses Jehovah..who comes in flaming fire to convict those who will not believe in his witness of Gods Truth and judgment.

Psalms 103:20-21 KJV
(20) Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
(21) Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.

The Gentile church comes full circle. Just as the Jews of 2000 years ago.the Truth comes with His SeraphimHis holy messengers to His people. We are to hear and believe in it and be saved from religious mans errors and ways. The religious were called to repent of their ways and thoughts yesterday.and they are called to do likewise today. History repeats itself.
Romans 11:19-24 KJV
(19) Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
(20) Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

We are also warned against unbelief.

(21) For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
(22) Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
(23) And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
(24) For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

The Jews pursued righteousness as if it were by the works of the Law and the gentiles pursue righteousness with their own wisdom.

continuing random thoughts for consideration

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