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Consturing the Nature of God - Strife between Being, Non-Being and Becoming

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I was reading a book tonight (Bhagavadgita commentary by Radhakrishnan) and came across this quote.

"Absolute being, the one Godhead, is behind and beyond the world and in the world; He is also the Supreme Living God, loving the world and redeeming it by His grace. Why is the world what it is with its graduated hierarchy? We can only say, it is the nature of the Supreme to express itself in this way. We cannot account for the fact of the world but can only construe its nature, which is a strife between being and non-being in the process of becoming."


It would surprise you to know that the Hindus believe the very same thing that we believe as Christians. There is no difference. They recognize Christ as Lord, which is fully explained in the Gita. Elohim promised the blessing to the Rainbow (all nations). Yahweh chose one nation in error. God blesses all. What does the quote above speak to us?

I know what I know deeply. Transcribing this to others is often an impossible task. I was reflecting on this for the last few days, then suddenly realize why this is so. Each of us, fundamentally, are participating in the same process to reach rest (being). What do we most often witness from this process here on the Christian Forums and in so many other forums in our lives? Strife. Division.

Do we agree on truth here in this place? Rarely. Why is this? The answer is quite easy if you think it through.

Dualism would say that being and non-being are at odds. Satan is at work trying to defeat God's creation to bring death and chaos into reality. See it clearly. The Lord made Satan in Genesis 1. From this, death reigns. What is death if not non-being, or the absence of life? Is this God's goal if you call Yahweh / Satan God? Which character in the Old Testament made life possible? Only one. Elohim and Ruach Elohim from Genesis 1. In Genesis 2, Elohim rested. It was at this time we were introduced to Yahweh and Satan. Had we been introduced to the Son of God yet by Chapter 2? Yes. Adam.

The Father and Holy Spirit do not change. Did Yahweh?

Adam was said to be formed naked (Arum), which is free from knowing (knowledge). Satan was made Cunning (Arummim). The wordplay here is obvious. Satan knew how to accuse. He had knowledge. Is this dualism? Did God have an adversary to fight? Absurd to suggest this. To this day, it's still absurd to suggest that the God of Love has an enemy out of his reach and control. Even more absurd to suggest he made such an out-of-control entity.

It's here, if you understand what I am implying, that we have the essence of the nature of God construed. Strife is suffering, or the very necessity of the struggle between being and non-being. Death is the result of an end. What is the nature of God's plan for mankind? Not a struggle with death, but the realization of salvation from it. God's goal is not death, but salvation and knowledge of how it was achieved.

Do we live once and die, never to have opportunity for more life? Again, is this God's nature to take? Again, absurd. Do we live a life without hearing of Christ's work for salvation, only to then burn in hell? This would entirely depend on the meaning of salvation. Is the meaning of salvation what it accomplishes for man, or what it means to God? If salvation is his nature, then our own view of salvation is meaningless. God's view is all that matters.

John 2

23 Now while he was in Jerusalem at the Passover Festival, many people saw the signs he was performing and believed in his name. 24 But Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all people. 25 He did not need any testimony about mankind, for he knew what was in each person.

With more firsthand knowledge than you can ever know, these direct witnesses were coming for salvation to Jesus. Why did he not entrust himself to them? The answer is given. They were still in the state of becoming. As he states in the very next chapter, you MUST be born again. You are born again, now. 1 Peter 3 tells you who you were before you entered the waters again. Baptism IS the process that NOW saves you. It is always now. God's patience is unlimited.

Here, we have a glimpse into the nature of God again. Between Life Eternal (ultimate rest) and non-being (Death), we have a middle state of change. All around you, nature demonstrates the volution of changing states. Nothing is ever in the same place twice. As you have been reading this, the Earth has moved thousands of miles from where it was when you started. You will never be in the same place twice. The sun is moving, and it takes 220 million years to circle the galaxy. You have literally never been in the same place twice. Or is this true?

Evolution means emerging out of volution (revolving around a center). E in Latin means out of. Volution means revolution around a center. You are the center in eternity, part of God. Why do you change, yet never move? Simple. God has no shadow of turning or change in himself. He is Eternal and Unchanging Being. In Physics, this is called invariant symmetry. As a physicist would tell you, translational symmetry is what you see as change. Invariance is not affected by the change.

Where does this leave you in the created image you see around you? The key to this is the image. An image is like a picture. You hold a picture of yourself in your hand, yet fully realize the person is not literally you. It is a representation of you in a form that appears as a residual copy. Did God tell us were were an image? Yes. Of who? Himself (unchanging with no shadows). Eternal light cannot change.

Where are you?

Matthew 18

10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.


The Child is here in the waters below. The Angel faces God and does not move or change. Your Spirit is in the image here. You are entangled, Bride to Groom. As the title of this part of Matthew 18 notes, you are the wandering sheep. God goes after them all. Time is the process to bring the mind around the center.

Matthew 22

30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.


Is God at odds with death? Does he fear death? Can he create anything as an image of himself that will perish into non-being (Death)? Again, absurd. God is not at odds with himself, fearing what Satan might do next.

These presuppositions about God are inventions of our own making. Can I demonstrate this to you from the Bible? Easily.

Colossians 1

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

From here, you only need to know one thing. God saved the Son. The Son IS the image of the eternal and HIDDEN God.

Is God hidden? Yes. In every heart. He does not change. What he made is made to overcome death. Life is being. Death is non-being. What does this make us?

Becoming. Baptism is involution into the waters of life. Why are we immersed into the waters below (becoming)? To die in the abyss of non-being? Never. We are here to rise above. Rising to NEW life is being born again. Creation is a womb and God will not abort his children.

Suffering is a necessity. Yeast (Sin) makes bread rise. You are the bread of life in an oven. Rise.

John 14

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Way (East), Truth (West) and Life (two becoming one). No one comes to the Father (Aleph Bet) except through the Word (what letters make). If you are unaware of what I mean by Aleph Bet, read #2 below in my signature.

God's word is eternal. You were written. Transcribe and rise.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Nothing can separate (Romans 8).

31 What shall we say about such wonderful things as these? If God is for us, who can ever be against us?

Can Satan take you to the pit? Absurd. Yahweh made Satan. Yahweh is the adversary (Ego) of every copy God made. Satan is the accuser (conscience). When we stop ruling over others, we end judgment. Ego is no more. When this happens, we silence Satan. Conscience is cleansed. Water puts out fire. Some will require fire. Spirit is a baptism for everyone (Matthew 3).

Read Zechariah 3 to see how Yahweh (Son of God) did this in himself before entering Joshua as a Host. He IS the Lord of Hosts. Spirit possess bodies. Yeshua is the High Priest Joshua. Read Zechariah 3. Yahweh ended his reign to hand it back to God the Father.

This IS the story the Bible teaches.

This path is what we all become. Risen. First, overcome. How? The image shows you.

1 Timothy 4:4

For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

Consecrated - You are Declared Sacred
 
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My man, you have shown me the truth of the inclination I have been having. I have been learning Hebrew Pictograph->Script and going back through the bible with my understanding. It was a step I knew I had to take and I hadn't quite gotten to the answer yet. I couldn't form the words you put down because I was not complete in my lessons. But it's the theory I was trying to prove before I was confident enough to assert my theory.

You don't state baptism as a necessity. I appreciate that. I believe it is a ritual that is probably one of the most symbolically accurate.

Thank you.
 
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My man, you have shown me the truth of the inclination I have been having. I have been learning Hebrew Pictograph->Script and going back through the bible with my understanding. It was a step I knew I had to take and I hadn't quite gotten to the answer yet. I couldn't form the words you put down because I was not complete in my lessons. But it's the theory I was trying to prove before I was confident enough to assert my theory.

You don't state baptism as a necessity. I appreciate that. I believe it is a ritual that is probably one of the most symbolically accurate.

Thank you.

Baptism has a root meaning. Read this: LINK

More than an ordinance. It symbolizes the water you are in now. Life lived in the waters below is baptism. It's literally the water you are swimming in now.
 
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This meant the most to me

Alephbet said:
Do we live a life without hearing of Christ's work for salvation, only to then burn in hell?

Only to my mind there is no reason to put it in the negative, in other words

Do we live a life after hearing of Christ's work for salvation, only to then burn in hell?

As if to say the problem of differentiation which you start with does not come about because of a sense of comparison, or positioning relative to some competitor like Evolution, but because the premise itself remains unmotivated, by the love of Christ. We have a very real choice, whether to believe what we have already believed (and even in some cases known, though not all) or whether to abandon the image we are to become, because we have too readily imagine ourselves at the top of the tree we have yet to climb (meaningfully, as in the sense of a construction of words, leading to a full confession). That is what is missing here, the notion of confessing on behalf of the image we are to become.

But I think I learn the most when you say

paraphrase of Alephbet said:
The image will show us
 
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This meant the most to me

Only to my mind there is no reason to put it in the negative, in other words

As if to say the problem of differentiation which you start with does not come about because of a sense of comparison, or positioning relative to some competitor like Evolution, but because the premise itself remains unmotivated, by the love of Christ. We have a very real choice, whether to believe what we have already believed (and even in some cases known, though not all) or whether to abandon the image we are to become, because we have too readily imagine ourselves at the top of the tree we have yet to climb (meaningfully, as in the sense of a construction of words, leading to a full confession). That is what is missing here, the notion of confessing on behalf of the image we are to become.

But I think I learn the most when you say

My point was asking the question about people who have never had access to Christ. Imagine someone in the jungle 500 years ago. Many generations have lived and died apart from any access to knowledge of Christ. I was suggesting that baptism is being born again literally. The theology that we live once, die, then go to hell is not what the Bible suggests at all. Christ came for the sick. He made proclamation to the ones in the pit, telling them literally that baptism is what saves them in the water.

Read this thread:
http://www.christianforums.com/t7867218/
 
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