Conservative v. Fundamentalist

[CyberPaladin]

Well, they actually have "militant orthodoxy" in their Statement of Beliefs. I think that would be our dividing line right there.

Lisa

It's actauly it's a bit of understatment from what I have seen from alot of them but I doubt anyone is going to refer to themselves as deranged and paranoid.

 

[Lisa0315]

It's actauly it's a bit of understatment from what I haves seen from alot of them but I doubt anyone is going to refer to themselves as deranged and paranoid.

Well, I agree. I grew up with them. I am so fortunate to have found a Baptist church that does not have that attitude. There is a faction of people within the church, but the pastor contols it. (My uncle! ) So, when they get out of hand, he puts a stop to it.

Lisa

 

[CyberPaladin]

Well, I agree. I grew up with them. I am so fortunate to have found a Baptist church that does not have that attitude. There is a faction of people within the church, but the pastor contols it. (My uncle! ) So, when they get out of hand, he puts a stop to it.

Lisa

Yeah well ones that used to belong to my church they since left believe that could be good Wholsome Christian to the tool of satan simply by changing instruments from organ to those of a more contemporary nature.

 

[daniel777]

Yeah well ones that used to belong to my church they since left believe that could be good Wholsome Christian to the tool of satan simply by changing instruments from organ to those of a more contemporary nature.

thats the problem with tradition. . . if a tradition has a good meaning benind it (by Good i mean it brings glory to God) then it's good. if a tradition doesnt have a good meaning behind it then it's worthless, and can actually cause harm.

 

[tel0004]

I don't see why they have to conflict. Maybe I'm not defining it right, but I consider myself to be both.

It was my understanding that every fundamentalist would be a conservative, but the opposite isn't true, like how in geometry, every square is always a rectangle, but every rectangle isn't a square.

 

[daniel777]

I don't see why they have to conflict. Maybe I'm not defining it right, but I consider myself to be both.

It was my understanding that every fundamentalist would be a conservative, but the opposite isn't true, like how in geometry, every square is always a rectangle, but every rectangle isn't a square.

like i said, combine them and call it "born again" forum. . . . if only people wouldn't get mad. . . huuuugh.

nice signature by the way.

 

[CyberPaladin]

thats the problem with tradition. . . if a tradition has a good meaning benind it (by Good i mean it brings glory to God) then it's good. if a tradition doesnt have a good meaning behind it then it's worthless, and can actually cause harm.

The problem I have found at least with some when it comes to tradition it becomes like a false god to them they become far more concerned with following the traditions than with serving the Lord.

 

[daniel777]

The problem I have found at least with some when it comes to tradition it becomes like a false god to them they become far more concerned with following the traditions than with serving the Lord.

yep, right on. but tradition isn't just inherent to fundamentalism, unwillingness to let go of the things of this world even when it becomes a hinderence to your walk can fall into the same catagory. compramising the scriptures, God, and brothers and sisters in Christ is always bad no matter how heavy the load of consequence will be on our shoulders.

 

[CyberPaladin]

yep, right on. but tradition isn't just inherent to fundamentalism, unwillingness to let go of the things of this world even when it becomes a hinderence to your walk can fall into the same catagory. compramising the scriptures, God, and brothers and sisters in Christ is always bad no matter how heavy the load of consequence will be on our shoulders.

I didn't mean to imply that it was exclusive to fundamentalist.

 

[daniel777]

I didn't mean to imply that it was exclusive to fundamentalist.

i suspected, just preachin to the choir OH HAPPY DAY AMEN HALALUJAH

 

[desmalia]

Well, they actually have "militant orthodoxy" in their Statement of Beliefs. I think that would be our dividing line right there.

Division indeed. And with that I make my exit from this forum. There ya go. One less horrible fundie trying to get in the way of whatever you guys have planned here. Congrats to all of you. You win.
I for one have read quite enough gross and pathetic generalizations of fundies. Looks like everyone here is allowed to pick at us, but we're not allowed to say a thing because we're not "true conservatives", we're just a bunch of mindless law enforcers.

 

[Vambram]

By reading through this thread, I saw more than a few statements generalizing and attacking Fundamentalists. This is very sad and unfortunate, since I am an independent fundamental baptist, and I am also a staunch, firm, and steadfast conservative. Due to the extreme right wing of the Fundamentalists, not only the general public, but also apparently the Conservatives of this Forum have fallen prey to the media's portrayal of all fundies as being whacked out militant Christians. I expect the lost unsaved people to be deceived by this, but clearly I did NOT expect Christian Conservatives to also believe that deception.

 

[Vambram]

The problem I have found at least with some when it comes to tradition it becomes like a false god to them they become far more concerned with following the traditions than with serving the Lord.

that is a false, or at least an over generalized statement based upon one person's observation. Please do not insult all fundamentalists like this. Fundamentalists and Conservatives should be and really ought to be close allies and friends. WE have so very much in common, so why drive away Fundies because of your perceptions of a small and limited minority of Fundies?

 

[Iosias]

Is the belief in Pre-Tribulation a tenent of Fundementalism?

A good question and if you do not mind I will use this as a chance to set forth some points about the whole conservative/fundamentalist thing. The quick answer is that no belief in Pre-Tribulation is not a tenent of Fundementalism although some fundamentalists would hold to it.

The key question to ask is where did fundamentalism arise from? The term "fundamentalist" was used first in 1920 by Curtis Lee Laws to describe someone who defended the historic doctrines of the Christian faith over and against the modernists who denied the inspiration of Scripture, the deity of Christ and the truth of miracles.

Historically the term was used to describe someone who held to the five fundamentals of the faith which were adopted by the Presbyterian Church in the USA in 1910. These included the virgin birth, substitutionary atonement, bodily resurrection of Christ, the inspiration of Scripture and the miracles of Christ.

Hence fundamentalism stood for the historic fundamentals of the Christian faith which were then propounded in greater depth in The Fundamentals which included the work of B. B. Warfield who was a professor at Princeton Seminary and a Presbyterian.

J. Gresham Machen was also involved in the movement and wrote Christianity and Liberalism. He led a number of Princeton Seminary professors to form Westminster Theological Seminary in 1929 which stood for historic conservative Christianity.

These then were characteristic of the first fundamentalists. They were nothing more than orthodox Protestants who adhered to the Westminster Confession of Faith.


Hence according to the Encyclopædia Britannica fundamentalism was a "movement in American Protestantism that arose in the late 19th century in reaction to theological modernism, which aimed to revise traditional Christian beliefs to accommodate new developments in the natural and social sciences, especially the advent of the theory of biological evolution. In keeping with traditional Christian doctrines concerning biblical interpretation, the mission of Jesus Christ, and the role of the church in society, fundamentalists affirmed a core of Christian beliefs that included the historical accuracy of the Bible, the imminent and physical Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and Christ's Virgin Birth, Resurrection (see resurrection), and Atonement (see atonement)."

 

[Ave Maria]

Fundamentalists tend to believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and in Scripture alone or sola scriptura. Conservatives, on the other hand, don't generally believe in the absolute inerrancy of the Bible and sometimes not in sola scriptura. Fundamentalists tend to not include the Orthodox, Anglicans, Oriental Orthodox, and Catholics. Conservative Christians on the other hand do include these groups.

 

[Iosias]

Fundamentalists tend to believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and in Scripture alone or sola scriptura. Conservatives, on the other hand, don't generally believe in the absolute inerrancy of the Bible and sometimes not in sola scriptura. Fundamentalists tend to not include the Orthodox, Anglicans, Oriental Orthodox, and Catholics. Conservative Christians on the other hand do include these groups.

This is historically false.

Now it is correct that there are conservative Anglicans, Baptists, Catholics, Orthodox etc but fundamentalism is a subset of conservative Christianity.

 

[GreenMunchkin]

It was not I who began the hostility but GreenMunchin who denied my right to post in the Conservative Christian forum

Post an example of my doing that, please

 

[Debi1967]

This is historically false.

Now it is correct that there are conservative Anglicans, Baptists, Catholics, Orthodox etc but fundamentalism is a subset of conservative Christianity.

these are the rules from the Fundamentalist Forum as they now stand as to what you have to believe

Fundamentalist: (Defined by the World Congress of Fundamentalists in 1976)

A born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ who

1. Maintains an immovable allegiance to the inerrant, infallible, and verbally Inspired Bible;
2. Believes whatever the Bible says is so;
3. Judges all things by the Bible, and is judged only by the Bible, aka - "Sola Scriptura";
4. Affirms the foundational truths of the historic Christian Faith:
   • The doctrine of the Trinity
   • The incarnation, virgin birth, substitutionary atonement, bodily resurrection, ascension into Heaven, and Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ
   • The new birth through regeneration of the Holy Spirit
   • The resurrection of saints to life eternal
   • The resurrection of the ungodly to final judgment and eternal death
   • The fellowship of the saints, who are the body of Christ;
5. Practices fidelity to that faith, and endeavors to preach it to every creature;
6. Exposes and separates from all ecclesiastical denial of that Faith, compromise with error, and apostasy from the Truth; and
7. Earnestly contends for the Faith once delivered.

Therefore, Fundamentalism is a militant orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division.

essentially then that means that they do affirm that Sola Scriptura is how all things are judged and they deny that of Tradition altogether

 

[Lisa0315]

these are the rules from the Fundamentalist Forum as they now stand as to what you have to believe

And most importantly, I do not think Conservatives consider themselves "militant orthodoxy". That language alone disqualifies a Fundementalist from Conservativism as is written in the Conservative Statement of Beliefs.

Lisa

 

[Debi1967]

Fundamentalists tend to believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and in Scripture alone or sola scriptura. Conservatives, on the other hand, don't generally believe in the absolute inerrancy of the Bible and sometimes not in sola scriptura. Fundamentalists tend to not include the Orthodox, Anglicans, Oriental Orthodox, and Catholics. Conservative Christians on the other hand do include these groups.

This statemement has merit and is accurate not false.