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Confused about the commandment that was "abolished." (2)

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Simple, I reject them, not receiving them, having already examined the doctrines of Jesus and tested according to the Law and to the Testimony first, otherwise I would not be Seventh-day Adventist [not beginning as such], and having so done, came to the conclusion, led of the Holy Spirit that the "Pillars" are sound, and immovable, set by God in prophecy. They which think to assault them, fight against God and His building, not mine. Also consider examining the word "receive".

Did you know the Bible speaks the same?

A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Titus 3:10

For why should we turn unto fables and commandments of men, that have turned from the truth, even "turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness"...

Ballenger rejected the Word of God and the also the testimony given under the power of the Holy Spirit in manifold demonstration which directed to the scriptures. Yet I would venture to say you think it was not the Holy Spirit, and thus you then would have to ascribe it to some other spirit, and thus confound the Spirit of Christ, with antichrist [there are only two spirits in the world] - the surest way to be on the road to blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

It would be no different, if any man, even one claiming to be Christian, came to me saying he could "prove" from scripture that homosexuality was ok by God, or that witchcraft, sorcery and spiritualism were fine under certain guidelines, etc and whatever. Already having known from the scriptures it was not so. They too gather a mass of scripture together, and assault the Pillars... do you receive their words?

How childish these pharisaical games and questions of traps, and how easily overcome by the Holy Spirit of God.
I would challenge you seriously about examining the complete Scripture to come to your conclusion. My wager is you have looked at some passages presented to you without question and full knowledge of the Scripture.

So if you are game, we can discuss some I think you hve not seriously examined.

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You've convinced me that it is time to throw away the Ellen White books that somebody put in my mail box.

Don't be too hasty my friend:

Responding to the question "Do we need to rediscover the meaining of lesiure?" Pope Francis replies: "Together with a culture of work, there must be a culture of lesire as gratification. To put it another way; people who work must take the time to relax, to be with their families, to enjoy themselves, read, listen to music, play a sport. But this is being destroyed, in large part , by the elimination of the Sabbath rest day. More and more people work on Sundays..."

More from that article -

"The idea of a Catholic exalting the Sabbath sounds particularly peculiar in the American context. Un the United States, Catholics were never the great proponents of Sabbatarianism, observiing Sunday as a special day, for worship or rest. That was a Protestant thing.

"But in Catholicisim, as Pope Francis suggests, the Sabbath actually is supposed to matter - the whole day, not just Mass. For as the catechism teaches, in Paragraph 2185, 'On Sundays and other holy days of obligation, the faithful are to refrain from engaging in work or activities that hinder the worship owed to God..."


Funny how they associate Sunday with being the sabbath. Me thinks some members here who believe the contrary are in the shallow end of the pool :p
 
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Not one single thing in your post is Bible based. It is based one religion.

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Now you see why I like to get that question answered right away.

It became clear that Leuko Petra believes

a. I was lost without possibility of recovery, based on Ellen White's vision, since I am a former Seventh-day Adventist. He was not going to convince me, and had no intention of it. He believes it is impossible.

b. He should not consider biblical arguments against Adventist pillar doctirnes based on Ellen White's statement that he should not to so. He was not going to be convinced, and in fact cannot seriously consider it.

There is little incentive for me to engage in discussion of the Scriptures with him at that point.
 
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Originally Posted by Leuko Petra
Simple, I reject them, not receiving them, having already examined the doctrines of Jesus and tested according to the Law and to the Testimony first, otherwise I would not be Seventh-day Adventist [not beginning as such],
You've convinced me that it is time to throw away the Ellen White books that somebody put in my mail box.
Donate 'em to the Mormons.....;) :p


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Originally Posted by brinny
End?
Maybe it is the END of this 1,368 post thread? :):):):)

The end of sabbath rest? ;)
:D

The end is nigh! :thumbsup:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7430788/
This Thread Will End All Debate On The Sabbath Once And For All

What 3 years later the debate isn't over ?
I thought the OP Stated It WOULD End the debate once and for all.

Rev 1:3 Happy is he who is reading, and those hearing, the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it --
for the time is nigh!

Rev 22:10 And he saith to me, `Thou mayest not seal the words of the prophecy of this scroll,
because the time is nigh;



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You've convinced me that it is time to throw away the Ellen White books that somebody put in my mail box.
Naw I will keep them till fall. I use them to light my wood stove. Would not want a dumpster diver to get ahold of them either.

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Originally Posted by MamaZ
one must understand salvation first.
(Husband Brian) "Honey, I must confess to you that I have been having an affair, but I don't want to stop seeing her."

(God) "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

For anyone who does not believe in keeping God's commandments, think long and hard.
Sometimes one can think long and still think wrong ;)




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So is not observing the 4th commandment wicked behaviour? And for who.

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Observing the "4th commandment" isn't wicked behavior. God is very loving and merciful.

Luke 6:9 Then Jesus said to them, "I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?"

Psalm 73:28 But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

Nahum 1:7 The LORD is good, a strong holdhttp://www.christianforums.com/#fn-descriptionAnchor-a in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.
 
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Observing the "4th commandment" isn't wicked behavior. God is very loving and merciful.

Luke 6:9 Then Jesus said to them, "I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?"

Psalm 73:28 But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.

Malachi 2:17 Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

Nahum 1:7 The LORD is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him.
Please read my post again. This time read every word, please.

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Please read my post again. This time read every word, please.

bugkiller

Lol. Read again till it makes sense. ;) Lol.

The truth is, if your post is against scripture, it is defeated. Read mine again and again and again... if I wear you out, please consult your own methods before proceeding.

The Holy Spirit is far greater. :)
 
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The Catholic church has something to say about living the christian life. One of the documents produced by the second Vatican council puts it this way:
At all times and in every race God has given welcome to whosoever fears Him and does what is right.(85) God, however, does not make men holy and save them merely as individuals, without bond or link between one another. Rather has it pleased Him to bring men together as one people, a people which acknowledges Him in truth and serves Him in holiness. He therefore chose the race of Israel as a people unto Himself. With it He set up a covenant. Step by step He taught and prepared this people, making known in its history both Himself and the decree of His will and making it holy unto Himself. All these things, however, were done by way of preparation and as a figure of that new and perfect covenant, which was to be ratified in Christ, and of that fuller revelation which was to be given through the Word of God Himself made flesh. "Behold the days shall come saith the Lord, and I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel, and with the house of Judah . . . I will give my law in their bowels, and I will write it in their heart, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people . . . For all of them shall know Me, from the least of them even to the greatest, saith the Lord.(86) Christ instituted this new covenant, the new testament, that is to say, in His Blood,(87) calling together a people made up of Jew and gentile, making them one, not according to the flesh but in the Spirit. This was to be the new People of God. For those who believe in Christ, who are reborn not from a perishable but from an imperishable seed through the word of the living God,(88) not from the flesh but from water and the Holy Spirit,(89) are finally established as "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people . . . who in times past were not a people, but are now the people of God".(90)

85 Cf. Ac 10,35 86 Jr 31,31-34, 87 Cf. 1Co 11,25 88 Cf.1P 1,23 89 Cf. Jn 3,5-6 90 1P 2,9-10

That messianic people has Christ for its head, "Who was delivered up for our sins, and rose again for our justification",(91) and now, having won a name which is above all names, reigns in glory in heaven. The state of this people is that of the dignity and freedom of the sons of God, in whose hearts the Holy Spirit dwells as in His temple. Its law is the new commandment to love as Christ loved us.(92) Its end is the kingdom of God, which has been begun by God Himself on earth, and which is to be further extended until it is brought to perfection by Him at the end of time, when Christ, our life,(93) shall appear, and "creation itself will be delivered from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the sons of God".(94) So it is that that messianic people, although it does not actually include all men, and at times may look like a small flock, is nonetheless a lasting and sure seed of unity, hope and salvation for the whole human race. Established by Christ as a communion of life, charity and truth, it is also used by Him as an instrument for the redemption of all, and is sent forth into the whole world as the light of the world and the salt of the earth.(95)

91 Rm 4,25, 92 Cf. Jn 13,34 93 Cf. Col 3,4 94 Rm 8,21 95 Cf. Mt 5,13-16

Israel according to the flesh, which wandered as an exile in the desert, was already called the Church of God.(96) So likewise the new Israel which while living in this present age goes in search of a future and abiding city (97) is called the Church of Christ.(98) For He has bought it for Himself with His blood,(99) has filled it with His Spirit and provided it with those means which befit it as a visible and social union. God gathered together as one all those who in faith look upon Jesus as the author of salvation and the source of unity and peace, and established them as the Church that for each and all it may be the visible sacrament of this saving unity. (1*) While it transcends all limits of time and confines of race, the Church is destined to extend to all regions of the earth and so enters into the history of mankind. Moving forward through trial and tribulation, the Church is strengthened by the power of God's grace, which was promised to her by the Lord, so that in the weakness of the flesh she may not waver from perfect fidelity, but remain a bride worthy of her Lord, and moved by the Holy Spirit may never cease to renew herself, until through the Cross she arrives at the light which knows no setting.

96 Ne 13,1; cf. Dt 23,1 ff; Nb 20,4, 97 Cf. He 13,14 98 Cf. Mt 16,18 99 Cf. Ac 20,28

(1) Cfr. S. Cyprianus, Epist. 69, 6: PL 3, 1142 B; Hartel 3 B, p. 754: inseparabile unitatis sacramentum ..
-- Lumen Gentium section 9 (DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH)
 
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