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Confused about Matthew 7:21

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All of these comments above have truth to them--we need to take in everything Jesus said, along with the rest of the Bible, continually, to grasp what God tells us. God knows your heart.

Actually, it was the born again verse that first showed me a distinction between salvation and the kingdom.

John 3:3
In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.

I don't mean to get fussy over details...just bringing new possibilities for interpretation. The original post asked for clarification, and we have done that from different angles.

Remember that these teachings were new at the time, and some were radical. Born again wasn't a booklet to read then, or a walk down the aisle... it confused people and made them inspect their hearts.
 
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Simonline said:
A true Christian is one who does the will of God in Heaven, it's as simple as that. It does not matter how long you have been a believer, how much theology you know, how involved in your local Church you are or how immersed in the Christian sub-culture you are, if you are not doing the will of God in Heaven, then, at the point of Judgment, the Messiah will denounce you and you will go into the everlasting Lake of Fire.
In other words, a true Christian is one who is a Christian on God's terms and not on their own terms.
Simonline.

And what are God's terms/will for becoming a christian ?
 
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twistedsketch said:
First of all, let's get on the right track of being born again:

Jesus tells us how to be born again in John 3:14-18.

Once we've been born of the Spirit, according to verses 6 and 7 of the same chapter, the Holy Spirit lives inside of us and begins producing fruit - love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self control. These will be increasing in your life as a Christian. True believers who walk with the Lord will be continuously growing in these things, and from them comes good deeds.

Christ's death at Calvary was to enable the Spirit to be given at Pentecost onwards. This is already alluded to by Jesus in John 3v5, 8 because "born again" literally means "born from above" and Jesus had to first *ASCEND* to the Father for the Spirit to be shed forth from above. Thin in v8 he specifically refers to a sound you hear with everyone that is born of the Spirit... sure enough at Pentecost and thereafter all were heard speaking in tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Having got the *receiving* of the Spirit wrong you then go on to mention fruit, all of which will be seen in one who is walking in the Spirit. Any atheist can show love, joy etc, and many do, and many religious people don't know the difference.
 
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nifty girl said:
Hi, all! I just came back to the Lord about a year ago, and since then I've been trying to study the Word. But I'm confused about the meaning of the verse Matthew 7:21 - "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

This verse has bothered/confused me because I'm not sure what the difference is between a true Christian and one who says "Lord, Lord". Could someone please explain the difference to me? Thanks a bunch in advance!

Blessings,
Buffy

That's a wonderful commitment -- studying the Word! :thumbsup: It says in 2Tim 2. 16-17 that the Word of God is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the (wo)man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work!

Let's look at the whole paragraph this verse is part of, and then we'll glance at the paragraph that went before to see how they compare.

Mt. 7.21-23:
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
“Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

In verses 21 & 22 , Jesus talks about a "group" that says, "Lord, Lord".

In verse 21, Jesus makes it clear that this "Lord, Lord" group is NOT likely to get into the Kingdom of Heaven because they're NOT "doing the will of the Father Who is in Heaven". Not good. Not cool.

Then in verse 22, Jesus says the "Lord, Lord" group -- who are standing in front of the Judgment Throne -- will be crying out, "Lord, Lord, haven't we prophesied in Your Name, cast out demons in Your Name, and done many wonders in Your Name?"

If you look up the original Greek word for "many wonders" (or "wonderful works" in the KJV), it's dunamis which is the SAME WORD used of all of Jesus' miracles! So these "Lord, Lord" people are in fact not just TALKING, they're DOING MIRACLES "in Jesus Name!" (But they still won't make it into the Kingdom of Heaven!)

Instead, Jesus say what they're doing is "LAWLESSNESS"!

What?

In other words, the "Lord, Lord" group in 21 & 22, are DOERS OF MIRACLES but NOT DOERS OF GOD'S WILL.

But if they're NOT doing God's will -- whose will are they doing?

Their own. They're doing these "ministries" according to their OWN will, not the will of the Father. Not even Jesus Himself did His wonderful works in His own will. Jesus said (more than once) that He could not do ANYTHING on His own accord. He said He ONLY DID WHAT HE SAW HIS FATHER DOING. That means, even Jesus Himself "did the will of His Father, Who is in Heaven".

Verse 22 shows us that people can do what THEY think are "good works" or even "God-works". They can even have the Spirit of God work through them (BUT DON'T FORGET GOD TALKED THROUGH THE MOUTH OF BALAAM'S DONKEY and it didn't make the donkey a saint! And if God can do miracles through donkeys, He can do miracles through rebellious, unsaved people who Jesus "never knew"!)

Basically, what Jesus is doing is making it clear that what God is looking for are not people to do religious stuff for Him. Now, Jesus DOES SAY that we WILL do the same, miraculous works He did and EVEN GREATER WORKS!...but He's not looking for people to "work" for Him. He's looking for people who will OBEY Him. Do His will.

Now, if THAT doesn't threaten you, you need to read it over again. Jesus is saying that you won't get into the Kingdom of Heaven if you continue living for yourself and pursuing your own will. He only knows the people who "do His Father's will, Who is in Heaven". (The others -- He "never knew...")

Not to put too fine a point on it -- but if I'm living MY will and not GOD'S will...what's going to happen? I'll find myself standing in front of a big Throne saying, "But Jesus! I taught Sunday School in Your Name! I collected money for the poor! Doesn't that count?" and He'll look at me and say, "Who are you? I don't even know you..."

NOT a really good start to Eternity, I think. :cry:

Now, if you look at the paragraph just before vv. 21-23, you'll see Jesus was talking about FALSE RELIGIOUS LEADERS. He's trying to make something REALLY clear -- there's a LOT of people who LOOK like they're trying hard and doing "good things for God" -- but if they're not doing God's will for their life, they're racking up zero points in Heaven.

Doesn't this raise the question, "How can a fallen human being ever do the will of the Father in Heaven?"

The answer is, NO ONE CAN. But when, by trusting Jesus, you've been made ONE with Jesus, when you submit your daily life to Jesus, then JESUS DOES THE WILL OF HIS FATHER, and He does it IN YOU and THROUGH YOU. Paul says, "It's no longer ME that lives, but CHRIST IN ME." Paul also says, "All those who are led by the Spirit, THEY are the Children of God." Those living and doing the will of their Father Who is in Heaven, these (and only these) will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Think about Mt. 7.21-23...and watch out! Even if you do the most fantastic, exciting spiritual works for God, if YOU'RE the one in charge, Jesus calls every "good" thing you do "LAWLESSNESS"! The only ones who enter into the Kingdom of Heaven are those who -- in Christ -- live their lives, daily DOING the Spirit-led will of their Father.

KingdomScribe

P.S A person COULD say, "Gosh darn it -- this is REALLY BAD NEWS." But the Truth is, THIS IS REALLY GOOD NEWS!

Instead of having to "make do" with lackluster, dull, flesh-bound, hum-drum lives -- WE GET TO LIVE LIFE CHRIST, in the POWER of His Spirit!

Instead of living as here slaves in Satan's "tyranny of darkness" -- WE GET TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM DARKNESS INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD'S OWN SON, and begin living in the Kingdom of God, NOW!!! (NOT AFTER WE DIE!!!)

Instead of letting our lives dwindle away in useless mediocrity -- WE GET TO SEE THE DESTINY GOD HAS GIVEN US FROM OUR BIRTH, FULFILLED -- HERE, NOW!

Thank You, Jesus!!! :clap: ks
 
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NJA said:
Interestingly, in the parable, the goats did all those red-blooded, get your hands dirty things and are rejected, but the sheep don't even know they did those things. (Matthew 25)

:confused: I must have misunderstood -- if you're looking at Mat 25, why do you say the "goats did all those red-blooded, get your hands dirty things and are rejected..."

What did the goats do? According to Jesus, that's the point... They did NOT do any of these things... "For I was hungry, and you gave Me NO food; I was thirsty, and you gave Me NO drink...", etc.

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StAnselm said:
Yes, sheep look a lot like goats. Jesus is saying that you can't the two groups of people apart just relying on surface appearances. What matters is the inner reality. But the Shepherd knows.

It's an interesting idea, :scratch: but it ignores the point that Jesus is making -- which is really a simple, clear point.

His point is that the difference between the sheep and the goats is not their "inner reality", but but their actions. You know -- glass of cold water and all...

If anything, their actions are an outer reallity, not an inner reality.

KingdomScribe

P.S. This fits James' warning that "faith" without outward acts of love "is DEAD". The point is not that our works save us, but that we are saved by "faith", and "saving faith" will absolutely be manifested in good works. ks
 
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KS - u miss the point - they didn't give the right sort of help - they did literal feeding, clothing & prison visiting, but didn't know how to do the spiritual type. Jesus brethren are "these which hear the word of God, and do it" (Luke 8v21).

That's why the sheep did it without realising it - by just fulfilling God's will they *automatically* fed, clothed and freed people.
 
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An unnecessary comment on things that baah....

Sheep limit their intake to grasses, grains, legume meal, and clover. Goats eat those too, but will also eat the shirt off your back...I mean things that just look interesting, with more regard to filling a void than to nutrition.

Goat's feeding needs are higher. Relative to their body weight, the amount of feed needed by meat goats is approximately twice that of cattle. They gain weight slower than sheep and cows. Feed stays in their rumen for a shorter time period.

I don't normally like stretching analogies too far, but the people in the culture of that passage knew a lot about sheep and goats, so had these perceptions in the back of their minds.
 
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