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The sons and daughters of God. For all those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Very-nearly synonyms, agreed....
"If not for science, how would we know that empiricism works?" - Davian
Empiricism and the scientific method are very-nearly synonyms. I'll re-write your above quote and you'll see how they are synonyms and how the above quote is somewhat circular:
"The scientific method as an epistemology. There's nothing scientific about the scientific method. The scientific method is the basis of science, not the result of science."
The test is looking at the fruit.
If the fruit is the same kind of fruit Jesus and His disciples produced then they are the same tree. If not , then its a different tree.
Does one gather grapes from a thorn bush?
Very-nearly synonyms, agreed.
When I wrote that, I was thinking, empiricism is a theory of knowledge, and theories are validated by scientific methodology.
Empiricism is not a theory of knowledge. It's an epistemology.<snip>
Given the many and varied views on what this "fruit" is supposed to look like, it is likely that whether the test result is positive or negative will depend largely (if not entirely) on one's current theological commitments. Moreover, the success of the test is likely to be evaluated according to those commitments. Is this the gold standard approach?
Sons and daughters of God?
ent interpretations christians hold, I would imagine the grading would be all over the map, just as individual beliefs are.
Good luck with that.
You seem to have been using the word "theory" to mean "scientific theory". And empiricism is certainly not a scientific theory.
I believe that to be an artist's rendition of some "disciples of Christ" settling a difference of opinion with their enemies.
Why do you think they are disciples of Christ?
Because they have St. George's cross on their garments?
From where I am standing, it is all the same.
No, as the issue only arises on subjects such things as gods, ghosts, Bigfoot, extraterrestrial aliens visiting Earth, and other things that lack evidence for their existence.Sounds like a personal problem.
How could I see depth to something that you only assert to be there? Such is the failure of presuppositional apologetics - it only works on those that already believe.Deficient depth-perception maybe?
You are wrong. I do not presuppose that reality will conform to what I want, and it certainly has not done so.Or maybe you are standing in the wrong place?
No...
I think you are standing right where you want to stand.
No, as the issue only arises on subjects such things as gods, ghosts, Bigfoot, extraterrestrial aliens visiting Earth, and other things that lack evidence for their existence.
You have an issue with God saying you are a sinner and are in need of a saviour. You have an issue with being accountable to God.
If we were talking about something that was pleasing to you or something you agreed with or something that reinforced the way you have decided to live your life, you would happily agree with me. You would be all to happy to hear me out.
The world hated Jesus. He said that the world hated Him because He testified that its deeds were evil.
If I were telling you that God sanctions and approves of your lifestyle, the things you do, the way you live, the views you hold about yourself, and that he accepts all the "nice" things you do and that He will overlook the bad you have done because He knows you just couldn't help yourself, then you would be all ears.
If I came proclaiming that you are your own god with none to account to except yourself then you would be all ears.
The "evidence" that you have followed led you right to where you started and where you determined you would end before you ever began your journey.
It is using Christ's life as our standard.
As a mind reader, you are a real Errol Flynn.You have an issue with God saying you are a sinner and are in need of a saviour. You have an issue with being accountable to God.
Why would I not want for there to be such a thing as an afterlife, and all that it entails? Why would I not want to believe that there is something more to a human's existence than this relatively brief biological stint on Earth?If we were talking about something that was pleasing to you or something you agreed with or something that reinforced the way you have decided to live your life, you would happily agree with me. You would be all to happy to hear me out.
Maybe the world just hated apocalyptic preachers. Do you see those guys on the downtown street corners? They are not even popular today.The world hated Jesus. He said that the world hated Him because He testified that its deeds were evil.
From what I gather, the only "bad" is not believe. A somewhat thin basis for a system of morality, it would seem.If I were telling you that God sanctions and approves of your lifestyle, the things you do, the way you live, the views you hold about yourself, and that he accepts all the "nice" things you do and that He will overlook the bad you have done because He knows you just couldn't help yourself, then you would be all ears.
Not at all. The idea is preposterous. I am accountable to all of those around me, in varying degrees, in the same way our ancestors had to get along prior to the invention of gods.If I came proclaiming that you are your own god with none to account to except yourself then you would be all ears.
Again you are mistaken. You should realize that presupposing what other people think is a recipe for failure. You have no idea of the journey that I have made, the epiphanies that I have had, the things I have learned.The "evidence" that you have followed led you right to where you started and where you determined you would end before you ever began your journey.
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