Jeremy E Walker
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Strange how I wrote what I did to Davian, and you responded....
You know what they say.... a hit dog will holler!
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You don't seem to understand that there are people who sincerely do not believe in your theological claims.
No, I still wouldn't find your theological claims believable. If you think that it is simply a matter of fashioning God's image after one's own, don't you think that we'd already be theists who had done just that?
No, I would dismiss that as ridiculous.
This seems highly presumptuous. How do you know that? Many atheists started their journey as Christians.
Is Christ's life not also the subject of significant theological disagreement?
Again you are mistaken. You should realize that presupposing what other people think is a recipe for failure. You have no idea of the journey that I have made, the epiphanies that I have had, the things I have learned.
It is the failure of theists such as yourself to show that their god/s are more than characters in books that leads me to conclude that is all they are.
Is this not an open forum?
Strange how I wrote what I did to Davian, and you responded....
You know what they say.... a hit dog will holler!
Not that I know of and if it was so what?
Sure is.
I must have struck a nerve, which was my point.
Not that he broke some forum decorum in responding.
Do settle down a bit.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
I am not presupposing anything, despite your desire that I be found to be presumptuous.
And as far as demonstrating the claims I make, the evidence is there for anyone willing to receive it. But "to give truth to him who loves it not is only to give him more plentiful reasons for misinterpretation. The love of truth and the willingness to submit to its demands is the first step.
If you love the truth and desire it above all else, you will have it. You will have it at the expense of your pride, your arrogance, your self-righteousness, and your ego.
For some, they cannot bear to part with those things they love so dearly and so by their own choice, show where there heart truly is.
No, I was referring to your use of presuppositional apologetics.Let God be true and every man a liar.
I am not presupposing anything, despite your desire that I be found to be presumptuous.
Talking about gods as if they are real is not evidence.And as far as demonstrating the claims I make, the evidence is there for anyone willing to receive it.
By "truth" in this context, you mean "religion".But "to give truth to him who loves it not is only to give him more plentiful reasons for misinterpretation. The love of truth and the willingness to submit to its demands is the first step.
Reality conforms to your wishes? Are you trying to sell me on the "The Secret"?If you love the truth and desire it above all else, you will have it.
Apparently you have no idea of how wrong you are about me on these points. Please stop projecting yourself on to me.You will have it at the expense of your pride, your arrogance, your self-righteousness, and your ego.
Find the guy that sold you that mind-reading trick, and demand your money back.For some, they cannot bear to part with those things they love so dearly and so by their own choice, show where there heart truly is.
You have an issue with God saying you are a sinner and are in need of a saviour. You have an issue with being accountable to God.
If we were talking about something that was pleasing to you or something you agreed with or something that reinforced the way you have decided to live your life, you would happily agree with me. You would be all to happy to hear me out.
The world hated Jesus. He said that the world hated Him because He testified that its deeds were evil.
If I were telling you that God sanctions and approves of your lifestyle, the things you do, the way you live, the views you hold about yourself, and that he accepts all the "nice" things you do and that He will overlook the bad you have done because He knows you just couldn't help yourself, then you would be all ears.
If I came proclaiming that you are your own god with none to account to except yourself then you would be all ears.
The "evidence" that you have followed led you right to where you started and where you determined you would end before you ever began your journey.
Let God be true and every man a liar.
I am not presupposing anything, despite your desire that I be found to be presumptuous.
And as far as demonstrating the claims I make, the evidence is there for anyone willing to receive it. But "to give truth to him who loves it not is only to give him more plentiful reasons for misinterpretation. The love of truth and the willingness to submit to its demands is the first step.
If you love the truth and desire it above all else, you will have it. You will have it at the expense of your pride, your arrogance, your self-righteousness, and your ego.
For some, they cannot bear to part with those things they love so dearly and so by their own choice, show where there heart truly is.
No, I was referring to your use of presuppositional apologetics.
"Presuppositionalism is a school of Christian apologetics that believes the Christian faith is the only basis for rational thought. It presupposes that the Bible is divine revelation and attempts to expose flaws in other worldviews. It claims that apart from presuppositions, one could not make sense of any human experience, and there can be no set of neutral assumptions from which to reason with a non-Christian"
Presuppositional apologetics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Talking about gods as if they are real is not evidence.
By "truth" in this context, you mean "religion".
Reality conforms to your wishes? Are you trying to sell me on the "The Secret"?
Apparently you have no idea of how wrong you are about me on these points. Please stop projecting yourself on to me.
Find the guy that sold you that mind-reading trick, and demand your money back.
Doesn't it all really just come down to faith?
Evolution and creationism, good god what a mess. Those that are of the opinion that life is a product of the elements of matter. and under favorable environmental conditions, life can develop and evolve are rapidly finding answers based in science. Those that are of the opinion that life was created in its entire complexity, usually in 6 Earth days, by supernatural triumph have no such struggle. They have only to find the appropriate answer in ancient scriptures written long before we knew anything about the basic chemistry and biology of life. Both are based in faith, but different kinds of faith. For example, one can have faith that in a few minutes a bus will come to a certain bus stop as it has every day over past years. That is faith with a basis in reality. It is not a sure thing until the bus is there, but it is a reasonable faith.
Many atheists started their journey as Christians.
And the majority of them end their journey with atheism because they cannot fathom the moral complex of Christianity.
But also just importantly to note, science and such doesn't actually lead one from religion, which is what atheists tend to imply nonetheless when they revolt in their scientific ~shenanigans~.
How do you know that?
Because science avails no alternative and because there is not one Christian-to-atheist philosopher who doesn't ultimately bring up moral justifications.
You are going back to the same argument from ignorance you made earlier. Moral issues are usually brought up in the context of Christian apologists claiming that their theology affords them some sort of moral superiority.
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