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One is saved but one must also stay pure and repent when one sins.

If a saved person murders someone and does not repent or ask God for forgiveness what do u think happens to their soul when they die?

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us"

Every word of Our Lords prayer is important.
 
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Dear shaheem white. Although Christians try Not to sin, it is hard in this world not to sin. But we know that God has forgiven our past sins, but daily we are tempted again. Christ died that we might live, and God will notice how hard we try not to sin, but we do it daily, although we do not want to sin. God knows us and God is LOVE. Jesus tells us in Matthew 22: 35-40: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy hearts, with all thy souls, and with all thy minds. The second is like it: love our neighbour as we love ourselves." We have to give up all selfish thoughts and wishes, we have to Love God and love our neighbour; all we know and all we meet. That is not easy in this world. But in Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told: Ask and you shall receive, then we ask God for Love and compassion, then thank God and share all love and compassion with all around us. God will see our loving lives and God will Bless us greatly. In this world we are surrounded by sin, day and night. We have asked God for His guidance and help. God will always help and guide us. Every time we sin in thought or word, we ask God to forgive us. God Loves us and God will always be on our side. Satan will flee from all love. I say this with love, shaheem. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
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Your not understanding saint! We are perfect "IN CHRIST" accepting him means you now live IN HIM!

I know, and I know that God sees me as I will be one day; perfect. But I am not there yet.
I know, and God knows, that I am not perfect in thought, word and deed 24/7; I know, and God knows, that I am not sinless, or spotless, in my dreams and unconscious desires.
To pretend otherwise would be folly, and dishonest.

your position doesn't change.

It would if I chose to walk away - because I have free will.
But as long as I remain in Christ, no one can separate me from his love, nor snatch me from his hand.

Ybut we trust in the power of the Holy spirit to help us overcome those areas and we thank God For the sacrifice of Jesus and for "BEING" forgiven. God Bless

Of course we do.
We sin, we confess to God, we believe we are forgiven and that God will help us to overcome and do better. We are growing.
The Corinthian church seemed to believe that because Christ had died for them, they could behave as they liked. Paul had to correct that thinking. Christ died for us, so now we live for him. We still fall short - as you said, but when we do, we KNOW that if we confess our sins, God will forgive us.
 
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Romans is written by a christian. The above post makes no sense to me.
 
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So, are you just agreeing with my post, or trying to make a point? You are agreeing with everything I have said! you might need to reread what I said.
 
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So, are you just agreeing with my post, or trying to make a point? You are agreeing with everything I have said! you might need to reread what I said.
I dont understand most of this posters replies either.....a lot of miscommunication.
 
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But I don't know how you would do that if you are not sinning.

“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” (1 John 1:8)
 
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“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” (1 John 1:8)
1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How do you reconcile?
 
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(Romans 6:1-2)
I fear this could continue for a while.
I was just saying that the romans verse I provided was the only "bridge" between the two positions I could think of. You asked how to reconcile, I think that's a good place to start. Is it good to hurt people? no, love is made mature within us so we have boldness on the day of judgment.
 
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I go back to James 5:16. We should all be able to agree that James was born of God--Born again, right? Now if James is Born of God, and he is saying that we should confess our sins, then we have to look and try to understand.

In one way, we could say that John was talking about Jesus, who had no sin, and was born of God. The rest of us have to just muddle through with confessing our sins. Because, believe it or not, all people, even Born again, Spirit filled, tongue talking, Bible believing, nose buried in Scripture all day long Christians still sin, and those sins, according to James, should be confessed.
 
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It seems to me that James is preaching to people who are not Born from above.....even telling them to be patient and wait for the coming of the lord, contrasting the patience of him and the disciples to the patience they should have as well:

9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I guess we can assume that he would be saying that he and His disciple do this after being Born from Above...but I dont see it clearly stated.

We can also replace "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin" With "Only Jesus is capable of not committing sin" But Im afraid this might be changing the word to match what I believe.

Either why, I find nothing wrong with your interpretation.
 
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1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

How do you reconcile?
I know you didn't address me Raymond, but I reconcile these by applying the truth of 1 Joh 1:8 to the progressive sanctification/salvation of the soul. And 1 Joh 3:9 to the finished salvation of my born again spirit.

1JO 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

This speaks of a "walk in the light" which can only take place AFTER I 'come to the light' of initial salvation. Then I can begin my 'walk in the light of "FELLOWSHIP" WITH GOD. Something which can only happen AFTER I experience the initial salvation of my spirit, which establishes my RELATIONSHIP TO GOD . And I don't confess to be FORGIVEN of all sin. I confess to be 'cleansed from all sin'.

And I apply 1 Joh 3:9 to the "seed"/spirit salvation. A salvation which is achieved by my spirit being born again with regeneration. A regeneration which made my 'my spirit one with the Lord'...eg. 'me IN Christ'.

1JO 3:9 Whosoever ('Whatsovever' Greek) is born of God doth not commit sin; for his (God's) seed (spirit) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he (man's spirit) is born of God.

2CO 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, (he is) a new creature: old things/archaios (are) passed away;

Strong's 0744 archaios: original or primeval

Therefore if any man be in Christ, A NEW CREATURE: ORIGINAL passed away.

You being "IN CHRIST" is established with the salvation of your spirit. "Christ IN you", is BEING SAVED progressively in your soul as you 'put on the mind of Christ' replacing your old carnal mind/soul. The more you replace/save, the more Christ is BEING FORMED in you.

GAL 4:19 My children (immature), with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you -...(maturity).
 
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I believe being born again is also a part of being a new creature in christ Jesus... not just accepting him as a savior for forgiveness of sins that's only 1/4th of the salvation process if anything (forgiveness of sins)

Repentance= 1. forgiveness/2. change of heart (2 components to repentance)

3. baptism in jesus name

4. Holy Ghost reception



Anyway yes you still confess/deal with sins if you have any becoming a new creature doesn't mean you become perfect you most likely will commit a sin here or there especially the first few months in.

1 John 2:1King James Version (KJV)
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

James 5:16 - Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
 
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Are you saying that it is possible to be in the light, and have the mind of Christ and be born from above, and still sin?
 
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Are you saying that it is possible to be in the light, and have the mind of Christ and be born from above, and still sin?
Not exactly. When you sin, you've stepped out of the light, and out of fellowship with the spirit of 'Christ in you'. Your soul has lined up with your sinful flesh. Your perfect "new creation", born again spirit is "quenched", but still 100% saved and 'one spirit with the LORD'.

1TH 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.


Two out of three always determine whose son you are at that moment. If your soul lines up with your born again spirit, you will 'crucify your flesh' and walk in the light of righteousness.

But if your Soul forsakes the leading of the spirit, and then agrees with your flesh you will step out of the light and manifest the works of the unrighteousness/devil.

After our spirit is born again we do not have a spirit problem causing us to sin. We have a soul problem.

Hope that makes sense, if not, keep asking questions.
 
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