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Your not understanding saint! We are perfect "IN CHRIST" accepting him means you now live IN HIM!
your position doesn't change.
Ybut we trust in the power of the Holy spirit to help us overcome those areas and we thank God For the sacrifice of Jesus and for "BEING" forgiven. God Bless
Romans is written by a christian. The above post makes no sense to me.Huh? Your text is about those still under the law who had not yet accepted Christ. This OP is about the "Christian" walk, not the Jewish walk. The law couldn't make one righteous, only the Holy Spirit that is a gift from Jesus after we repent. It is the Holy Spirit then that makes one dead to sin and no longer in the flesh.
No.
Adam had had a perfect relationship with his Maker, but then he disobeyed him, and that relationship was broken. It was no longer perfect; sin - rebellion against God - had come into the world. And whatever Adam DID, that relationship would not be restored again. If he had physically died at that point, he would have died separated from God, and that would have been that for him, for all eternity.
Adam and Eve died spiritually that day - and mankind was separated from God from that point on. They were given animal sacrifices, as a way to atone for their sin, and I am sure that God forgave people who offered the correct sacrifices, trusted him and lived by faith in his law.
But animal sacrifices were not perfect; people couldn't keep the law and still sinned. So then Jesus came, as the spotless Lamb of God, to offer his life once and for all.
It is his sacrifice, and only his sacrifice, that atones for us and mends the relationship between us and God. When we accept him, we are saying that nothing WE do will make any difference in getting to heaven or making us right with God. GOD has saved us and, as Abraham said, "provided the Lamb for the sacrifice". Anyone who believes this, confesses their sins, receives Jesus and asks for eternal life is saved - from spiritual death; from the consequences of having a broken relationship with God and dying in our sin, and without him.
So we ARE saved, but we are also BEING saved, or made whole - which we call sanctification.
We are saved, in the sense that if the world were rushing toward a cliff, under which was hell - we have been pulled back from that and are now on a different path.
We are being saved, because although we are on a different path - the narrow way - although we have new natures, and want to serve and worship only God; we are not perfect. We do not have restored and perfect human natures, we just have a restored relationship with God and are in Jesus, who IS perfect. We are still learning in our Christian lives. The devil is still around to try to force us off the path, and sometimes he succeeds. When that happens, we know that we can confess, be forgiven and the relationship between us and God will be restored again. As John says in his letter, "if we do sin, we have One who speaks to the Father in our defence; Jesus Christ, the righteous One." 1 John 2:1. He also says that if we confess our sins, God will forgive us.
Non Christians don't believe this. If they believe in God at all, they may feel that it is their own good deeds that will make up, or "atone" for the bad things they do. They may well feel that they aren't perfect but that they "haven't murdered anyone", so they are not so bad really.
I certainly believed this. Even though I went to church from an early age, I believed for some time that it was MY actions that would get me to heaven; that I was doing God a favour by being in church and that I was able to save myself.
But whatever I believed, and the world believes, the fact is that without Jesus; without accepting his atoning death for sin, were, and are, not saved from spiritual death and do not have a restored relationship with God. Only in Jesus is that possible.
There WILL be a difference in our words and actions.
We are under new management in Christ. HE is our Lord, not sin. It is HE who gives us love, security, peace and puts us right with God - NOT the number of possessions we have, etc.
We will find that we want to love God, serve him, put him first and do his will. We will look at the world as he sees it, and live by his teachings, and not the world's standards.
All I am saying is that being saved from spiritual death and separation from God - the drop off the cliff - is an instant thing. This puts us on the narrow road, which we will be on for as long as we live. And while we ARE still alive, there will be temptations and those who try to get us off the road.
I believe that one of the biggest lies the devil can tell us is, "you disobeyed God just then; God is not pleased with you. But don't feel you need to say 'sorry' to him; he forgave you 2000 years ago." If he can install that attitude in us, it won't be long before we are sinning more and more, and refusing to turn to the One who can forgive us, make us clean and restore our relationship with God again.
Exactly. That's why we need to confess when we mess up or stray from the path.
Yes, and so would I.
If I claimed to have a new heart, and new Lord, and still followed my old beliefs and actions, I, and others, would be justified in asking what difference Jesus made to my life.
But that is sanctification - BEING made holy and changed into Jesus' likeness - and is a lifelong process. Just because you mess up once as a Christian, it does not mean that you were never saved.
I dont understand most of this posters replies either.....a lot of miscommunication.So, are you just agreeing with my post, or trying to make a point? You are agreeing with everything I have said! you might need to reread what I said.
But I don't know how you would do that if you are not sinning.
1 John 3:9“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” (1 John 1:8)
(Romans 7:17)1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
How do you reconcile?
I was just saying that the romans verse I provided was the only "bridge" between the two positions I could think of. You asked how to reconcile, I think that's a good place to start. Is it good to hurt people? no, love is made mature within us so we have boldness on the day of judgment.(Romans 6:1-2)
I fear this could continue for a while.
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
It seems to me that James is preaching to people who are not Born from above.....even telling them to be patient and wait for the coming of the lord, contrasting the patience of him and the disciples to the patience they should have as well:I go back to James 5:16. We should all be able to agree that James was born of God--Born again, right? Now if James is Born of God, and he is saying that we should confess our sins, then we have to look and try to understand.
In one way, we could say that John was talking about Jesus, who had no sin, and was born of God. The rest of us have to just muddle through with confessing our sins. Because, believe it or not, all people, even Born again, Spirit filled, tongue talking, Bible believing, nose buried in Scripture all day long Christians still sin, and those sins, according to James, should be confessed.
I know you didn't address me Raymond, but I reconcile these by applying the truth of 1 Joh 1:8 to the progressive sanctification/salvation of the soul. And 1 Joh 3:9 to the finished salvation of my born again spirit.1 John 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
How do you reconcile?
Romans is written by a christian. The above post makes no sense to me.
Romans is written by a christian. The above post makes no sense to me.
I believe being born again is also a part of being a new creature in christ Jesus... not just accepting him as a savior for forgiveness of sins that's only 1/4th of the salvation process if anything (forgiveness of sins)Greetings my brothers and sisters in Christ. I come to you in Love and in the power of the Holy Spirit. There is a issue in the church today that I need to address and i'm asking for your views (backed by scripture of course). After you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you like 2 Cor 5:17 states "Become new" do you still confess your sins to God seeking forgiveness? I know the truth, I just wanna see what others have to say on the topic....
Are you saying that it is possible to be in the light, and have the mind of Christ and be born from above, and still sin?I know you didn't address me Raymond, but I reconcile these by applying the truth of 1 Joh 1:8 to the progressive sanctification/salvation of the soul. And 1 Joh 3:9 to the finished salvation of my born again spirit.
1JO 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
This speaks of a "walk in the light" which can only take place AFTER I 'come to the light' of initial salvation. Then I can begin my 'walk in the light of "FELLOWSHIP" WITH GOD. Something which can only happen AFTER I experience the initial salvation of my spirit, which establishes my RELATIONSHIP TO GOD . And I don't confess to be FORGIVEN of all sin. I confess to be 'cleansed from all sin'.
And I apply 1 Joh 3:9 to the "seed"/spirit salvation. A salvation which is achieved by my spirit being born again with regeneration. A regeneration which made my 'my spirit one with the Lord'...eg. 'me IN Christ'.
1JO 3:9 Whosoever ('Whatsovever' Greek) is born of God doth not commit sin; for his (God's) seed (spirit) remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he (man's spirit) is born of God.
2CO 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, (he is) a new creature: old things/archaios (are) passed away;
Strong's 0744 archaios: original or primeval
Therefore if any man be in Christ, A NEW CREATURE: ORIGINAL passed away.
You being "IN CHRIST" is established with the salvation of your spirit. "Christ IN you", is BEING SAVED progressively in your soul as you 'put on the mind of Christ' replacing your old carnal mind/soul. The more you replace/save, the more Christ is BEING FORMED in you.
GAL 4:19 My children (immature), with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you -...(maturity).
Not exactly. When you sin, you've stepped out of the light, and out of fellowship with the spirit of 'Christ in you'. Your soul has lined up with your sinful flesh. Your perfect "new creation", born again spirit is "quenched", but still 100% saved and 'one spirit with the LORD'.Are you saying that it is possible to be in the light, and have the mind of Christ and be born from above, and still sin?
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