Condemned already: not just Calvinist

[martymonster]

Romans 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

So, that would be a no, then.

 

[martymonster]

He literally quoted or referenced about a dozen verses to you lol

Where? Show them to me!

 

[martymonster]

Revelation 14:11: and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.

That doesn't mean anything close to what you want it to mean, and also it doesn't show a verses that says that anyone guilty of sin, deserves to be tortured for all eternity in fire!

 

[RickReads]

So, that would be a no, then.

Not sure what you need when every person in the world is guilty and under a death sentence.

 

[martymonster]

Matt 25: 41-43: Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry, and ye did not give me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink; 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

I think these verses make it quite clear.

No they don't make it quite clear. In no way does that verse say that sinners are deserving of being tortured for all eternity. You know there is no such verse, which why you quoted that one.

I've got a verse for you though...


Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

 

[martymonster]

Not sure what you need when every person in the world is guilty and under a death sentence.

There is a massive difference between death and tormenting people for all eternity in fire, matey!

 

[RickReads]

No they don't make it quite clear. In no way does that verse say that sinners are deserving of being tortured for all eternity. You know there is no such verse, which why you quoted that one.

I've got a verse for you though...


Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Eze 18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

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Thing is, nobody kept all the statutes. Except Jesus.

 

[RickReads]

There is a massive difference between death and tormenting people for all eternity in fire, matey!

Well, I don't know much about all that. I know one thing, whatever satan is selling, I don't want it.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

He literally quoted or referenced about a dozen verses to you lol

Confirmation Bias is the syndrome where someone believes something so much that even when presented with facts that disprove it, they won't change their premise. Our friend is adamant that God does not condemn unbelievers to spend eternity under the wrath of God, and yet after being presented with actual verses that clearly show that those who worship the beast, or in other words refuse to embrace Christ as Savior, will suffer eternal torment under the wrath of God, will even say that the Bible doesn't actually say it, even though the Bible has clearly said it.

It is the same syndrome that causes a morbidly obese person who is facing death unless he stops binge eating, will not believe medical experts who warn him of the facts about his eating; or the hoarder whose house is an unhealthy mess, thinks that everything is okay, even though her family and friends try to point out that the house is so full of garbage that it is infested with bugs and rats.

There are religious people who maintain that a loving God won't send people to hell, even though Jesus said very clearly that God definitely will if they refuse to believe the Gospel.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

There is a massive difference between death and tormenting people for all eternity in fire, matey!

The bible is very clear that there is eternal torment for the wicked. They will have a conscious existence in the afterlife.

Mark 9:42-48
42 "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where

"'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'

Matthew 8:11-13
11 "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; 12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 13:41-43
41 "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Matthew 13:49-50
49 "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 22:13-14
"Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' 14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

Matthew 24:48-51
48 "But if that evil slave says in his heart, 'My master is not coming for a long time,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:29-30
29 "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 30 "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


2 Peter 2:1-9
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them — bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.


Jude 4-7, 12-13
4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home — these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

12 These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm — shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted — twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.


Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Revelation 19:20-21
20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:12-15
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Scripture uses these terms and phrases as synonyms:

Unquenchable fire
Fiery hell
Black darkness
Outer darkness
Furnace of fire
Fire and brimstone
The smoke of their torment
The lake of fire which burns with brimstone
Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched
The eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels

All of the above carry the same meaning and consequences for the wicked.

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Got ?

hope this helps !!!

 

[RickReads]

The bible is very clear that there is eternal torment for the wicked. They will have a conscious existence in the afterlife.

Mark 9:42-48
42 "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. 43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out. 45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. 47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48 where

"'their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'

Matthew 8:11-13
11 "I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; 12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 13:41-43
41 "The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 "Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

Matthew 13:49-50
49 "So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 22:13-14
"Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' 14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."

Matthew 24:48-51
48 "But if that evil slave says in his heart, 'My master is not coming for a long time,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow slaves and eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, 51 and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:29-30
29 "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. 30 "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


2 Peter 2:1-9
But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them — bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.


Jude 4-7, 12-13
4 For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

5 Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home — these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

12 These men are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm — shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted — twice dead. 13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.


Revelation 21:8
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars — their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

Revelation 19:20-21
20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:12-15
12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into The lake of fire is the second death. 15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Scripture uses these terms and phrases as synonyms:

Unquenchable fire
Fiery hell
Black darkness
Outer darkness
Furnace of fire
Fire and brimstone
The smoke of their torment
The lake of fire which burns with brimstone
Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched
The eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels

All of the above carry the same meaning and consequences for the wicked.

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Got ?

hope this helps !!!

Hmm, you almost make it sound like Universal Salvation isn't correct.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Calvinism is not the only theology that sees some sinners as condemned before conception. The theology of our Pre-Conception Existence (PCE) contends that all persons created in HIS image were created before the creation of the physical universe* with a free will and an equal ability and rtunity to put their faith in HIM as their GOD and Saviour to become HIS elect chosen ones
OR
with an equal ability and opportunity to put their faith against HIM as being a liar and therefore a false god, ignoring HS warning this would be an unforgivable sin
and that if HE ever proved that HE is their creator god, this unforgivable sin would put them in hell forever.

* which they saw as per Job 38:7 with Rom 1:18-20.

People only become sinful by choosing by their free will to rebuke YHWH as a liar or by rebelling against HIS commands if they accepted HIM as their GOD.
No one inherits another's sin.
No one dies for another's sin.
Only sinners (either elect sinners or non-elect sinners) are born as human, ie are sown into this world by the Son of Man or the devil, Matt 13:36-39.

OUR decisions about where to put our faith separated us into the elect who put their faith in HIM, the damned already who repudiated HM by faith and the sinful elect who rebelled against HIS call to come out from among their friends who were now condemned so the judgement could proceed but they would not and the judgement was forced into postponement:
Matt 13:27 The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ 28 ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. [a reference to the explanation of this parable, ie, no more metaphor, in verses 36-39]

So the servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’[to bring the judgement upon them?] 29 ‘NO!’ he said, [postpone the judgement because...] ‘if you pull the weeds now, you might uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. The time of the harvest is the time of the maturity of the wheat and the only maturity that saves a sinner from the judgment is a mature holiness!

Thus the sins of the good seed, aka the sheep gone astray into sin, separated them from the holy elect and are the cause of the continued suffering of mankind on this earth under Satan.

PCE also contends that rather than GOD having NO reason to elect some and pass over others as some Calvinists clam, HE chose those who put their faith in HIM to be elected to salvation no matter how they might sin in the future and to be HIS Bride after this reality was cleansed from all evil. HE also passed over for salvation all those who repudiated HIM as a false god driven by an evil megalomania as for ever unfit to ever be a proper Bride for HIM, consigning them to hell on the spot.

AS you can see this is hardly Calvinism at all, until we get to the salvation of sinners which is pretty straight forward orthodoxy.

Correct not just Calvin also Augustine, the inventor of this theology. Calvin fine tuned by circumventing infant baptism thus predestination was born. The simple truth is how one percieves free will. We either have it or we don't.

" Augustine taught that God foreordained newborn babies who were baptized by actively helping or causing the parents to reach the bishop for baptism while the baby lived. By baptism, these babies would be saved from damnation. Augustine reasoned further that God actively blocked the parents of other infants from reaching the baptismal waters before their baby died. These babies were condemned to hell due to lack of baptism (according to Augustine)."

 

[RickReads]

Correct not just Calvin also Augustine, the inventor of this theology. Calvin fine tuned by circumventing infant baptism thus predestination was born. The simple truth is how one percieves free will. We either have it or we don't.

" Augustine taught that God foreordained newborn babies who were baptized by actively helping or causing the parents to reach the bishop for baptism while the baby lived. By baptism, these babies would be saved from damnation. Augustine reasoned further that God actively blocked the parents of other infants from reaching the baptismal waters before their baby died. These babies were condemned to hell due to lack of baptism (according to Augustine)."

Predestination is a doctrine of Paul. It's from the 1st century and is part of the gospel.

 

[TedT]

That doesn't mean anything close to what you want it to mean, and also it doesn't show a verses that says that anyone guilty of sin, deserves to be tortured for all eternity in fire!

Excuse me...torture is an immoral and illegal act of causing pain to another for your own purposes. The just condemnation of a criminal by an authorized Judge is NOT torture in any society except among those who refuse to see the Judgement of the reprobate as righteous but only as torture.

Only the unforgivable are in hell:
No forgivable sinners will end in the outer darkness.
Arminianism has it wrong; if someone can be saved they will be saved or HIS attribute of loving patience and kindness is blasphemed.

Why is hell eternal?
They can't be forgiven because
1. they made the decision to rebel against GOD's claims to Deity by their free will and a free will decision cannot be changed by anyone, even GOD, unless the person asks for it to be changed. All free will decisions must be sacrosanct and inviolable, apart from GOD's interference or it cannot be defined as free.

2. When they rebelled against YHWH's claims to be GOD their rebellion was perfect and complete, forever forbidding HIM from ever having anything more to do with them. Their rebellion was so full that even though they knew if HE ever proved that HE was our creator GOD that they would end in eternal hell did not sway them from their commitment to stand against HIM. That is, they chose to go to hell rather than have to live by HIS laws in HIS kingdom or to be married to HIM.

So complete was their rebellion against HIM that they even refused to follow the lead of those who feared to take the chance hell was just another lie so they first accepted YHWH as their God and Saviour from sin and only then, after becoming free from any chance of ending in an eternal hell, only then going their own way in rebellion to HIS commandments to them, becoming by this choice the sinful elect, the sinful good seed, the elect sheep gone astray into sin.

3. Once the reprobate put their faith in their rebellion as the perfect response to GOD's proclamation they became enslaved by the addictive power of evil which destroyed their ability to seek true repentance and save themselves by changing their minds about HIM.

They were instantly and totally unable to repent of their evil without GOD's grace which they had eternally repudiated, and became even more committed to the belief they were right to rebel against this upstart liar and false god! Even after they learned the truth of HIS divinity and power when they saw the creation of the physical universe with their own eyes as described in Job 38:7 and Roman 1:18-20 they loved their sin more than the truth they knew and turned to evil alternative definitions of reality and the idolatry of false gods, Rom 1:21+.

This describes the Satanic fall that precipitated the war in heaven and had all sinners flung to the earth.

They are not unforgivable because HE hates them and their sin so much but because when HE asked us to choose to be HIS Bride or to reject HIM, HE promised us our choice would not be interfered with though there would be legal and natural consequences... warnings which some ignored.

This means HE did not CHOOSE anyone to go to hell but against HIS desires they chose to take the chance with hell over HIS Kingdom as the lies of a megalomaniac with no power over life and death or heaven and hell etc. Since a little leaven (sin) leavens (corrupts) the whole lump (person, community, reality) this reality which would become HIS heavenly marriage had to be sequestered from their eternal predations by their banishment to outside of this reality to the outer darkness.

Apparently this place feels like fire...

 

[TedT]

Not sure what you need when every person in the world is guilty and under a death sentence.

Death is the wages of every sin, right, but not eternal death in the outer darkness which is reserved for the unforgivable who are condemned already, Jn 3:18.

 

[TedT]

Hmm, you almost make it sound like Universal Salvation isn't correct.

Universal salvation like in "You shall not die..."

 

[Clare73]

Calvinism is not the only theology that sees some sinners as condemned before conception. The theology of our Pre-Conception Existence (PCE) contends that all persons created in HIS image were created before the creation of the physical universe* with a free will and an equal ability and rtunity to put their faith in HIM as their GOD and Saviour to become HIS elect chosen ones
OR
with an equal ability and opportunity to put their faith against HIM as being a liar and therefore a false god, ignoring HS warning this would be an unforgivable sin
and that if HE ever proved that HE is their creator god, this unforgivable sin would put them in hell forever.

* which they saw as per Job 38:7 with Rom 1:18-20.

People only become sinful by choosing by their free will to rebuke YHWH as a liar or by rebelling against HIS commands if they accepted HIM as their GOD.

No one inherits another's sin.

Correct. . .Adam's guilt is imputed (accounted to, reckoned) to us (Romans 5:12-15, Romans 5:18), just as Christ's righteousness is imputed (accounted to, reckoned) to us (Romans 5:19), and as Abraham's righteousness was imputed (accounted to, reckoned) to him by faith (Genesis 15:6),
apart from faith's obedient works (Romans 4:2-3).

No one dies for another's sin.

We die because of guilt imputed to us, just as we live eternally because of righteousness imputed to us,
as it was imputed to Abraham by faith (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:2-3).

Only sinners (either elect sinners or non-elect sinners) are born as human, ie are sown into this world by the Son of Man or the devil, Matt 13:36-39.

All those born of (the first) Adam are born unrighteous by Adam's imputed guilt to them (Romans 5:18) and, therefore, objects of God's wrath (Ephesians 2:3),
just as all those born of (the second Adam) Christ, in the new birth into eternal life, are born righteous by Christ's imputed righteousness to them by faith (Romans 1:17), apart from faith's works of obedience. (Romans 3:21, Romans 3:28)

AS you can see this is hardly Calvinism at all, until we get to the salvation of sinners which is pretty straight forward orthodoxy.

 

[Clare73]

It is not that John Calvin said it. It is what the Apostle John said:
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God" (John 3:18).

So condemnation does not result from a person choosing to sin.

It is the state of a person who does not believe in Jesus Christ.

A state into which they are born, until they believe.

 

[Clare73]

Honestly, you are free to just believe so much scripture,
if you just ditch the false doctrine of eternal punishment.

Ya' won't catch me ditchin' Jesus in Mark 9:43-48!

 

[Clare73]

So does that by extension mean unless a person obeys Christ into holiness they will also not enter Gods Kingdom?

What I mean is someone prays the sinners prayer but never changes their lifestyle, is such a person still going to heaven? Or
is Heaven only for those who repent and obey the leading if the Spirit

Heaven is only for those who are believing in and trusting on the person and atoning sacrifice (blood, Romans 3:25) of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sin and right standing with God's justice; i.e., "not guilty," declared righteous.