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By your reasoning, Jesus would not have been human then? That may signal a problem. He called himself, "The son of man."
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By your reasoning, Jesus would not have been human then? That may signal a problem. He called himself, "The son of man."Yes but Jesus was not a sinner, and we are which means we have evil blood in us.
Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.
Traditionally, it has not been the orthodox position that we were created disembodied souls that turned away from God, which in turn caused us to "fall" into an embodied/physical state of being. However, there are rare exceptions like Origen who did hold to that belief. Still, it's not a common Christian position, at all. It's more of a Platonic/Neo-Platonic belief than a Christian one.
The physical aspect of creation is not of Satan, according the the Christian scriptures and tradition. All of creation is good by virtue of the Creator's inherent and essential goodness. That which a good God creates is also good.
The question of why humanity has turned away from God is simply a mystery. The account in Genesis does not explain why the first humans decided to choose against their own best interest, in spite of the fact they lived in a paradisaical setting where nothing was lacking. Did they believe God lied? Why would they assume that? Did their desire for goodness and wisdom malfunction? Were they just spiritually immature and reached for the "fruit" too soon, pace Irenaeus? We aren't told the details. The Augustinian idea that they were perfect doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Why would humans in a state of rectitude with God, walking together with God in the cool of the day, turn away from God? Something is amiss. We're just not told the "Why?" The scriptures are virtually silent in explaining why God has created a world where sin and evil occur in an abundance, but they dedicate a lot of ink to showing how God brings good out of a world like this. It's helpful to remember the revelation of God in Jesus Christ is given so that we can know what we need to know and not necessarily so that can know all we want to know.
Eve heard about what Lamech said
Probably, but I don't mind if you finish your thought.
Don't even touch it, was her words, probably was going to give it to Lamech, thinking it was a type of poisonous fruit, her feelings was hurt, she loved Abel, her grief overwhelmed her thinking
Chapter 4 before 3 except verse 25&26
You'll have to forgive me, I misread "Eve" as "Ever" in post #23.
You are saying Eve heard Lamech say he would be avenged seventy- seven fold?
We're not born sinners-God doesn’t create sinners or sinfulness to begin with. This world is a place of education and formation; we're here to learn how well we like autonomy from God, in a world free effectively from His moral control, unsubjugated to Him. That’s what Adam opted for, becoming his own “god" in the process. Because man’s distance or separation from God is the essence of his spiritual death, a state sometimes referred to as “original sin”. We’re born without the “knowledge of God”, and Jesus came, when the time was ripe, to show us His true face so that we may know Him, and so come to believe in, place our hope in, and, most importantly, come to love Him, becoming willfully subjugated to Him in that process, reversing the orientation of Adam away from God. We’re to find out what Adam missed (and presumably knows by now), to find out about our absolute need for God and the perfection of His wisdom for our lives-so we’ll increasingly heed Him, as Adam failed to do.Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.
Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.
Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.
LIn Scripture the word soul is used two ways. It's used in a concrete sense, as a living being. It's also used in an abstract sense of life it's self. The soul IS NOT a disembodied person or being. The Bible tells us in Genesis 2:7 that God created the man, Adam, from the dust of the ground. So, Adam was a physical being. Then God breathed His breath or spirit of life into the man and the man, that body of dust, became a living soul. So, a soul requires a body. We also learn from Scripture that when a man dies, that breath or spirit of life from God returns to Him and the man returns to dust. Since the two components that formed the soul have separated, the soul no longer exists. It didn't exist until the breath or spirit of life and the body came together and it ceases to exist when they separate.
Thank you. That is the most honest answer I think I have gotten. It is beyond our realm of knowing unless He tells us.What you're wondering is beyond the scope of the bounds of this world which God has allowed. But, if you keep in His Word, He will show you a hint of the answer to that. I mean, anyone actually reading Apostle Paul's Epistle to the Romans should begin to understand there's something not original going on between flesh and spirit.
After the 6 days of creation it says everything God made was good.But it does not say why. If we are eternal souls why would we be flesh, and the tree of knowledge is in heaven guarded by cherubim.
Is that true? If that is true then why are we to have nothing to do with the world? If we love the world then we are an enemy of God? He made Lucifer and he isn't good. I look around me and see what is going on and it isn't good. I read the news and see what people are doing and it isn't good. People where I live are starting to hurt their children. We just had another case of a mother shooting her 2 and 6 year old children. We are seeing more and more of these cases and it's scaring me. These are demons doing this because humans do not act this way towards their children. People who do not believe are doing horrific things that they don't remember doing and it's getting worse. None of this is good.After the 6 days of creation it says everything God made was good.
Everything created was good prior to the fall.Is that true? If that is true then why are we to have nothing to do with the world? If we love the world then we are an enemy of God? He made Lucifer and he isn't good. I look around me and see what is going on and it isn't good. I read the news and see what people are doing and it isn't good. People where I live are starting to hurt their children. We just had another case of a mother shooting her 2 and 6 year old children. We are seeing more and more of these cases and it's scaring me. These are demons doing this because humans do not act this way towards their children. People who do not believe are doing horrific things that they don't remember doing and it's getting worse. None of this is good.
Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.
No. But the flesh was tainted when Adam ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. When we trust Jesus, to save us from the death brought into the world by Adam, we become “not of this world”—we become a new creation. But those temptations tempt our flesh, which we still have. When Christ was resurrected, He was like what we will be like, then our flesh will be new, without the death that came on all of Adam’s offspring.Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"?
Following Satan is the evil part—doing what he says instead of what God says.Because being physical is of satan?
But if we were born if Adam, in his image, then we are born with death hanging over our heads, and in fear of not getting what we want/need before we die, we sin.Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.
Is there reason to believe that God created us as human souls and our transgression made us physical which is why we are to resist the temptations of the flesh, and why we are not " of this world"? Because being physical is of satan? Because if we were of Gods alone, we would not be born sinners.
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