Concerned/Trying to Understand the Logic

[bigsierra]

Age doesn't, on its own, validate one's position.

Nor, might I add, does lack of age automatically invalidate one's position (geocajun!).

Whether someone is correct or not, in your opinion, doesn't invalidate, showing some respectful speech.

 

[Disciple 3]

Age doesn't, on its own, validate one's position.

Nor, might I add, does lack of age automatically invalidate one's position (geocajun!).

Well that is not what the bible says. Read Leviticus 19:32, Job 32:6, Proverbs 23:22, 1 Timothy 5:1-2. If you tell her not to get her knickers in a twist that is very disrespectful according to society and the Bible. Age does not validate a position but it DOES demand respect.

 

[Debi1967]

The Truth of the matter is the reason why we pratice in Faith is because Just as they cannot Prove that he does not conclusively exist we cannot conclusively by scientific theory that He does that is why we have Faith.

 

[Gen 22:14]

I can't believe I read this post. Is this the summation of your arguements?

I can't believe you read my post either because you quite obviously didn't understand it or chose not to! No, this is most assuredly not the totality of my "arguments," however, in the interest of setting a good and kindly example for the younger generation I left some things unsaid!

What I believe was said is that, like the world, this forum has members of many different faiths and opinions. We don't represent the world, we are representative of the world. Does this register?

This sarcasm was uncalled for, but I love the activity on my thread so I can overlook these little lapses in judgement. Now, to the crux of the matter. According to World Book Unabridged Dictionary, one of the preferred definitions of "like" means "characteristic of." I would not want to argue semantics here, but characteristic of is akin to "of." Hence, my thesis stands.

Is this your forum? No. It's Erwin's. For the record, there are Christians only and Open forums. If you don't like the scary atheists, stay in the former. As well, part of any ministry is outreach to the non-believers. Are you suggesting that evangelizing isn't Christian? Please, let us not go down that route.

No, I am most certainly not! However, I AM suggesting that evangelizing SHOULD be left to people with some degree of knowledge and experience if we are talking theological premises. I would not tackle these issues even with a B.A. in Religious Studies and some work towards my Masters under my belt. What I DO share is what Christ is doing in MY life. I can safely talk about this because it is with personal experience and reverance.

Why should an atheist be allowed to be a member of a Christian forum? Because it's a forum! Not a worship group. This isn't a parish or something, is it? No. It's internet software. Don't get you knickers in a twist.

No, I never said they shouldn't be a "member." I said "full-fledged member" which carries a completely different conotation. The early catechumis were members, just not full-fledged. And again, I find your sarcasm degrading.

And for the last time, atheists aren't evil. They just haven't met anyone who can convince them otherwise. Is that their fault or ours?

Sorry, but if you are not for God you are against him. I will not back down on this! And good point! It IS our fault. But I only want to talk about how much I love Jesus and how good He is. Grave matters of faith need to be left to ones more proficient than I!

I again don't understand why you're in a twist about this. Do you want an exclusive club or something? If you want I can install an Invision Board and let you have a blast.

No, that's just it! This is not a CLUB! This is salvation we are talking about and I take that very seriously indeed! I can only speak for myself, but, I would sooner live the beatitudes than speak them. I leave the speaking to the experts.

This is so typical. I'll paraphrase. "I'm not comfortable with letting people here other opinions because I'm not sure that we have done enough to protect them from hearing other people speak." That is really weak. Let everyone hear everyone else's opinion. That's the best way to strengthen someone's faith in God. At least that's how it worked for me. I can't believe that you want to shunt people away from the outside world because you are afraid that you will lose people!

Unfortunately, the "weak" thing is that some peoples theology is "weak" and should be studied more extensively before we run around teaching half-truths.

Another word to the wise, experience the world outside of the nutshell that is your tiny life.

My tiny life? How respectful, loving and Christian is that?

I'm Brian, pleasure to meet you!

I'm Donna and would that my life were as grand as yours.

Love in Christ!
Donna

 

[Christy4Christ]

Age doesn't, on its own, validate one's position.

Nor, might I add, does lack of age automatically invalidate one's position (geocajun!).

I wasn't talking about your attitude toward her position, I was talking about your reference to her underpants!

Don't get you knickers in a twist

 

[Debi1967]

Gen 22:14 according to Forum rules anyone that is not a Christian must remain in the Open areas of the Forum only they are not allowed to post in the Christian only areas of this forum at all in fact that can get them banned....Even cults like JWs and Mormons are not allowed to post in CO areas unles they are in their forum which is specified.....They do not have full access to the forum as Christian members do....does that make sense. So they are restricted of their use of the forums....

 

[Bushido216]

Well that is not what the bible says. Read Leviticus 19:32, Job 32:6, Proverbs 23:22, 1 Timothy 5:1-2. If you tell her not to get her knickers in a twist that is very disrespectful according to society and the Bible. Age does not validate a position but it DOES demand respect.

Truth be Told, I didn't look at her age before posting, just like I didn't look at her gender, her bible version, or what type of dog she likes before posting. I took her position on their merits.

I'll also admit that, used to the debate forums, I probably have come off extremely strong. For that I apologize, I didn't shift gears fast enough for a typically non-debate forum.

 

[Bushido216]

The Truth of the matter is the reason why we pratice in Faith is because Just as they cannot Prove that he does not conclusively exist we cannot conclusively by scientific theory that He does that is why we have Faith.

Precisely. And that is a very bad arguement to use. It opens you up to things like "why should I have faith" and "why shouldn't I have faith in something else?".

Now, if you're afraid that we as Christians cannot provide strong enough arguements for being a theist, then that's a valid reason to not have the GA. But simple fear of exposure is being afraid of different things.

 

[Disciple 3]

Precisely. And that is a very bad arguement to use. It opens you up to things like "why should I have faith" and "why shouldn't I have faith in something else?".

Now, if you're afraid that we as Christians cannot provide strong enough arguements for being a theist, then that's a valid reason to not have the GA. But simple fear of exposure is being afraid of different things.

The scientific theory and logic combined does prove God. I will say again, matter is neither created or destroyed. It does not come from nothing, something cannot come from nothing. The atheist view contradicts this.

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Thank you for reading my post, Michelle! I guess people just really want to hang on to their need to be right and to prove their rightness to the world ..... words are drivel... prayer and fasting, prayer and fasting, prayer and fasting....

 

[KennySe]

If a newly "born again Christian" is foolish enough to enter a bar and yell at the top of his lungs, "You sinners are all going to hell!", shouldn't we "not-so-new" christians protect this new Christian from such folly?
(I imagine a thrown bottle at him, or a cuestick over his head.)

Likewise, I see merit in making the "Open to all areas, which ahave a good atheist population, as restricted to "new Christians.

And the only way thisa site could do such is to do what was similarly done with IDD, a poster must have 100 posts before posting in certain areas.

Our responsibility as Christians is to defend our Christian Faith, and to also protect our fellow Christians.

 

[Aaron-Aggie]

Thank you for reading my post, Michelle! I guess people just really want to hang on to their need to be right and to prove their rightness to the world ..... words are drivel... prayer and fasting, prayer and fasting, prayer and fasting....

 

[Christy4Christ]

If a newly "born again Christian" is foolish enough to enter a bar and yell at the top of his lungs, "You sinners are all going to hell!", shouldn't we "not-so-new" christians protect this new Christian from such folly?
(I imagine a thrown bottle at him, or a cuestick over his head.)

Likewise, I see merit in making the "Open to all areas, which ahave a good atheist population, as restricted to "new Christians.

And the only way thisa site could do such is to do what was similarly done with IDD, a poster must have 100 posts before posting in certain areas.

Our responsibility as Christians is to defend our Christian Faith, and to also protect our fellow Christians.

Thank you Kenny that is exactly, I think the point of the OP...

 

[Bushido216]

I wasn't talking about your attitude toward her position, I was talking about your reference to her underpants!

It's a figure of speech? Maybe it's an east coast thing.

 

[Bushido216]

The scientific theory and logic combined does prove God. I will say again, matter is neither created or destroyed. It does not come from nothing, something cannot come from nothing. The atheist view contradicts this.

Where did God come from?

 

[Disciple 3]

You should know that. And my point is, once again, something cannot come from nothing. So who put everything here?

 

[Christy4Christ]

It's a figure of speech? Maybe it's an east coast thing.

I know the slang, I am from New York as well. I still don't think it is nice to say to an older lady


Anyway, next time just try to be a little nicer, I know what you mean about being in debate gear.

Also, I am still grateful to you for helping me out last night. I wasn't coming down on you just pointing out that maybe you could have been a little more gentle..

 

[Christy4Christ]

Where did God come from?

Well God is eternal. He is, always was, and ever shall be, world without end..

 

[Christy4Christ]

God is the Creator who was not created, He is the Cause of all that is without Himself having been caused, He is the Supreme Mover without Himself being moved. In a nut shell, He was, is, and ever shall be. Infinite.


It's an article of faith...

 

[Bushido216]

I can't believe you read my post either because you quite obviously didn't understand it or chose not to! No, this is most assuredly not the totality of my "arguments," however, in the interest of setting a good and kindly example for the younger generation I left some things unsaid!

Fair enough.

This sarcasm was uncalled for, but I love the activity on my thread so I can overlook these little lapses in judgement. Now, to the crux of the matter. According to World Book Unabridged Dictionary, one of the preferred definitions of "like" means "characteristic of." I would not want to argue semantics here, but characteristic of is akin to "of." Hence, my thesis stands.

Shouldn't NYJ decide what he meant?

No, I am most certainly not! However, I AM suggesting that evangelizing SHOULD be left to people with some degree of knowledge and experience if we are talking theological premises. I would not tackle these issues even with a B.A. in Religious Studies and some work towards my Masters under my belt. What I DO share is what Christ is doing in MY life. I can safely talk about this because it is with personal experience and reverance.

And what I'm saying is that this isn't the place to start censoring that sort of thing. If atheists want to debate, there are numerous other places to do it. Only allowing your own brand of elites to post isn't going to help anyone. And trying to limit posting and / or viewing privelages to people you don't think can hack it isn't up to you, nor is it practical or right.

No, I never said they shouldn't be a "member." I said "full-fledged member" which carries a completely different conotation. The early catechumis were members, just not full-fledged. And again, I find your sarcasm degrading.

Why shouldn't they? I don't see any conclusive arguements why they ought not to be.

Sorry, but if you are not for God you are against him. I will not back down on this! And good point! It IS our fault. But I only want to talk about how much I love Jesus and how good He is. Grave matters of faith need to be left to ones more proficient than I!

So, if I'm not for Bush I'm against him? If I'm not for the plumber down the street I'm against him? Is it possible I just don't care one way or the other about the issue? I know many atheists, and most of them don't care one way or another about God. He simply doesn't register on their radars. While I admit that this isn't right, I think that you eliminating the grey area is highly unnecessary.

No, that's just it! This is not a CLUB! This is salvation we are talking about and I take that very seriously indeed! I can only speak for myself, but, I would sooner live the beatitudes than speak them. I leave the speaking to the experts.

Okay... salvation is good. I believe that we can all accept this. I fail to see what this has to do with you and I, and our discussion. Please elucidate.

Unfortunately, the "weak" thing is that some peoples theology is "weak" and should be studied more extensively before we run around teaching half-truths.

Like I said. You, and many others, are so afraid of their own inabilities to convince others of the goodness of Christ that you're unafraid to show people any other alternatives.

My tiny life? How respectful, loving and Christian is that?

All I meant to opine is that you don't seem to have had any interaction with atheists besides the few militant ones on these forums and what your priests have told you about them.

I'm Donna and would that my life were as grand as yours.

I assure you, statistics is not nearly as grand as guidance counselors would have you believe.

Love in Christ!

Amen.