Concerned/Trying to Understand the Logic

[Bushido216]

You should know that. And my point is, once again, something cannot come from nothing. So who put everything here?

I want to know who put God here? Something can't come from nothing, right?

 

[Bushido216]

If a newly "born again Christian" is foolish enough to enter a bar and yell at the top of his lungs, "You sinners are all going to hell!", shouldn't we "not-so-new" christians protect this new Christian from such folly?
(I imagine a thrown bottle at him, or a cuestick over his head.)

Likewise, I see merit in making the "Open to all areas, which ahave a good atheist population, as restricted to "new Christians.

And the only way thisa site could do such is to do what was similarly done with IDD, a poster must have 100 posts before posting in certain areas.

Our responsibility as Christians is to defend our Christian Faith, and to also protect our fellow Christians.

Okay, so a 14 year old posts in the Teen and Young adults forum, and quotes scripture a few times and gets in one of those circles they like to get into and tell each other how right they are. Do you realize how easy 100 posts is?

 

[Bushido216]

I know the slang, I am from New York as well. I still don't think it is nice to say to an older lady


Anyway, next time just try to be a little nicer, I know what you mean about being in debate gear.

Also, I am still grateful to you for helping me out last night. I wasn't coming down on you just pointing out that maybe you could have been a little more gentle..

Honestly, I probably wouldn't have if I had looked at the age. But as I said, I never look at ages or denominations or whatever before I post. To me those details aren't as important as the arguements presented.

 

[Disciple 3]

He is the everlasting God the creator of the universe. If he is everlasting not mortal, he is not subject to time, like we are. What I am saying is that atheists are a bunch of contradictory people in denial. You know my view on the nothing and something things. Logic and this law says that God exists. They are blinded by the god of this world.

 

[Bushido216]

Well God is eternal. He is, always was, and ever shall be, world without end..

Prove it.

 

[Disciple 3]

Logic say he exists, as well as science. If you walk around with your eyes closed are you going to be able to see where you are walking? No, of course not. If they open there eyes and lidten to there own science they see it.

Your request to prove God is exactly what the OP was talking about.

 

[Bushido216]

God is the Creator who was not created, He is the Cause of all that is without Himself having been caused, He is the Supreme Mover without Himself being moved. In a nut shell, He was, is, and ever shall be. Infinite.


It's an article of faith...

Yes, faith. Faith means belief in the abscence of proof. Do you realize how silly it looks to out-and-out deny all other faiths and viewpoints, including atheism, because they lack proof or backing, and then say "it's my faith that God exists, therefore, he does!"

Here is a quote from my signature.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

I believe he makes a good point.


Now, Christy, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I want to drive home a point. If the best we, as Christians, can come up with is "we have faith in God", then we're not going to win as many converts as we like.

 

[Bushido216]

He is the everlasting God the creator of the universe. If he is everlasting not mortal, he is not subject to time, like we are. What I am saying is that atheists are a bunch of contradictory people in denial. You know my view on the nothing and something things. Logic and this law says that God exists. They are blinded by the god of this world.

But you are refusing to push that logic to its next stop. You are intentionally making yourself blind to the conclusions. Ever read 1984? Good read. You cannot, without resorting to the faith arguement, prove God.

 

[Bushido216]

Logic say he exists, as well as science. If you walk around with your eyes closed are you going to be able to see where you are walking? No, of course not. If they open there eyes and lidten [sic] to there own science they see it.

Your request to prove God is exactly what the OP was talking about.

Where does science say he must exist? Where does this logic say that? Logic says he cannot exist. Does that register?

If I can, single-handedly, destroy every single attempt at a proof of God, it is indicative not of any need to censor others, but to come up with more decisive arguements.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Yes, faith. Faith means belief in the abscence of proof. Do you realize how silly it looks to out-and-out deny all other faiths and viewpoints, including atheism, because they lack proof or backing, and then say "it's my faith that God exists, therefore, he does!"

Here is a quote from my signature.


I believe he makes a good point.


Now, Christy, I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I want to drive home a point. If the best we, as Christians, can come up with is "we have faith in God", then we're not going to win as many converts as we like.

I'm gonna start another thread because we are way off topic..

 

[ShannonMcCatholic]

Where does science say he must exist? Where does this logic say that? Logic says he cannot exist. Does that register?

If I can, single-handedly, destroy every single attempt at a proof of God, it is indicative not of any need to censor others, but to come up with more decisive arguements.

AS an outsider, can I say that this doesn't at all seem like a profitable discussion-- I don't know if it is the tone it is all taking, or what. But if you're making apoint make it- why are we baiting people into giving the answers we want to refute??

 

[Bushido216]

Sigh. To make the point that trying to correct the mistakes of our own inabilities to convince others of God's existance besides blindly turning off our logical capacities by censoring people we think might be swayed by other opinions isn't the way to do things.

 

[Gen 22:14]

But you are refusing to push that logic to its next stop. You are intentionally making yourself blind to the conclusions. Ever read 1984? Good read. You cannot, without resorting to the faith arguement, prove God.

Sorry, but this is where my advanced age makes a difference. I "can" prove there is a God. Every morning when I wake up and look at my beautiful daughter, handsome son-in-law, and two faith-filled grandsons I see the living glory of God. This is what I meant originally in the beginning. We need to share our faith-journey stories more! If you knew where I have been in my life and where God has brought me, you would know His awesome power.

Experience God, don't debate Him, you can never win. Don't debate the faith, live the faith. God bless Mother Teresa.

I would sooner be a doer of the word than a rambling speaker of the word. Don't you see my point? God loves us soooooo much. And what commission did Jesus leave us? As I do, so you also shall do!

And who did He tell Moses He is? YHWH, I am. Why? Because He knew in His infinite wisdom that we would be posed questions like this. Prove Me? Just know that "I Am." Tell the people "I Am."

Donna

 

[Bushido216]

That arguement makes so much more sense. Bringing people to Christ by showing them fulfillment will always win more people than "God exists because he does".

Fair warning, however, having good looking children could easily be attributed to luck in the gene pool as much as God.

Consider me the field test for any arguements.

 

[bigsierra]

So, do you all have 3 computers all lined up in one room, or are you spread out all over the house? Or, are you doing a tag team on one computer?

 

[Gen 22:14]

Fair warning, however, having good looking children could easily be attributed to luck in the gene pool as much as God.

Consider me the field test for any arguements.

LOLOLOLOL

 

[Christy4Christ]

LOL No actually my mother isn't usually ever on, only when she comes over. My kids each have their own computer and then I have one. My mom posts from mine.

 

[Christy4Christ]

I banned my youngest son though, he was getting way too emotional!

 

[bigsierra]

whew, that would be quite a work out with one system. Now you need one for when your home, Donna.

 

[Christy4Christ]

LOL Can you imagine us all gathered around one computer? Each of us yelling "Get up get up! It's my turn! Quick log me into my own name!"

That would be horrible..