Concerned about Benny Hinn

[All4one]

Some very nice posts up in here! Peachy... very nice point. There is that "what if" I must say in her situation though you have to take a stand of Mr Hinn being right or wrong. You have to save someone from a misleading or be accused yourself. I see where you are coming from Bro- very nice conclusion.

 

[Garnet2727]

I am surprised by those who say not to judge Benny Hinn. When I was a Christian, I was never told not to judge at all, but to judge rightly, with discernment. If one does not look at things critically, one's mind may be so open that one's brains will fall out.

What are the "fruits" of Benny Hinn's ministry?

1. Go to his website and see the very first thing that pops up. A prayer request form and request for donations. Mr. Hinn kindly accepts MasterCard and Visa. What is the number one fruit? Massive wealth for himself. And where does this wealth come from? Think about it. He has made promises to open a healing center...this never happened. What is he doing with all this money?

2. Failed prophecies. Nuff said?

3. False doctrine. This has been commented on ad naseum. Mr. Hinn shows a remarkable ignorance of the Bible...not knowledge as someone else has suggested.

4. Lies about his homelife and his family. His father was NOT a mayor of Joffa.

5. The Crusades are a sideshow. His "healing" methods are obviously fraudulent. Gotta love that shotgun approach. Someone is being healed of a back problem. Someone named Mary is being healed. Bleah. These are carnival tricks.

Sorry to be rude here, but for goodness sake. He's a shyster.

~G~

 

[reconciliation]

It is not loving to preach false and devilish doctrine, to raise doubts about Christ's sacrifice in those for whom miracles do not come. It is not loving to preach a message that God will heal you, if only you have enough faith.

Rather, it is loving to reach out to those weakened by the false doctrine of people like Benny Hinn, pointing out that Christ died for their sins, no matter how heinous, including the sin of doubt, which we all must face at some time in our lives.

What is the false and devilish doctrine Benny Hinn has taught according to you? I think he is just preaching the gospel which includes salvation, healing and deliverance. It isnt about our own rightousness; it is about that grace which Christ presented to us by dying for our sins and sicknesses.

 

[Garnet2727]

Odd that this answer should come from an atheist...but...one example of false doctrine that comes to mind is his preaching that the trinity is really nine entities. I know that there are other examples out there, but don't have time to post them right now.

 

[CrossWiseMag]

From a Google search:
I am a "little messiah" walking on earth. (Praise-a-thon, Praise The Lord, Nov. 6, 1990)


I want to tell you why I believe people get sick…In 2 Chronicles 16, verse 10 - and I like to read this - verse 10 and 11 and 12, the bible says sickness comes when individuals attack preachers.


Sickness does not belong to you. It has no part in the Body of Christ. Sickness does not belong to any of us. The Bible declares if the Word of God is in our life, there will be health, there will be healing - divine health and divine healing. There will be no sickness for the saint of God. If Moses could live such a healthy life, so can you….He promises to heal all - every one, any, any whatsoever, everything - all our diseases! That means not even a headache, sinus problem, not even a toothache - nothing! No sickness should come your way. (Rise & Be Healed!, p. 14, 32.)


[font=Times New Roman, adobe-times, Times]"Christians are "Little Messiah's and "little gods" on the earth. Thus [Encouraging the audience]...say "I am a God-man....This spirit-man within me is a God-man..." say "I'm born of heaven-a God-man. I'm a God man. I am a sample of Jesus. I'm a super being. Say it! Say it! Who's a super being? "I walk in the realm of the supernatural." Say it!...You want to prosper? Money will be falling on you from left, right and centre. God will begin to prosper you, for money always follows righteousness....Say after me, "everything I ever want is in me already."
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[font=Times New Roman, adobe-times, Times]That's a small sample. He is not preaching the Christ of Scripture, but a made-up Christ of his own creation. The Holy Spirit will not send miracles to validate false teaching. The false teaching is proven above. Therefore, we know the Holy Spirit is not work, because God (the Holy Spirit) cannot be a party to falsehood.[/font][font=Times New Roman, adobe-times, Times]
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[CelineDion]

Garnet you arent an athiest obviously you believe in God. So quit trying to say to those of us who are christians "Your such bad christians that an athiest knows more than you" no you didnt say those words but its what you mean.

 

[Garnet2727]

Garnet you arent an athiest obviously you believe in God. So quit trying to say to those of us who are christians "Your such bad christians that an athiest knows more than you" no you didnt say those words but its what you mean.

Do you have any idea how insulting this is? You assume I believe in God. You assume my intent. You in effect are calling me a liar. How kind.

When I said "odd" that an answer should come from an atheist that is EXACTLY what I meant. No more, no less.

 

[All4one]

I am surprised by those who say not to judge Benny Hinn. When I was a Christian, I was never told not to judge at all, but to judge rightly, with discernment. If one does not look at things critically, one's mind may be so open that one's brains will fall out.

1st Corinthians 5:12-- It isn't my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your jub to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. (13) God will judge those on the outside; but as the scriptures say, " You must remove the evil person from among you."

It also commands us to correct the body with the witness of two or three others if we see a wrong. If they do not listen after several times they are to be rejected by the body or church. I think there is just a very fine line. We must be discerning but not really judgemental.

Garnet I agree with you but I believe it is all within the motivation. When Christ judged He did it in all love and kindness. He rebuked in order to draw people closer. In this case I would say in loving correction along with understanding there is not a thing wrong with helping another see their sins. Yet in a boastful self-righteous way we should keep our mouths shut for that is the time when we lack discernment and go on our own tuition.

Do you have any idea how insulting this is? You assume I believe in God. You assume my intent. You in effect are calling me a liar. How kind.

When I said "odd" that an answer should come from an atheist that is EXACTLY what I meant. No more, no less.

Garnet, no hard feelings? We are all Gods children

In Christs Love,
All4one

 

[CelineDion]

Garnet i didnt mean to offend you but I know you believe in God. And he loves you so much dont give up on him.

 

[Garnet2727]

It has taken me a very long time to calm down...and I haven't been successful. I would apologize for my temper...yet..it is what it is. Celine, I am sorry, I know you have a good heart. I know what you believe. Nevertheless, when someone disregards me, I find it very, very hard to be kind. I find it hard to be charitable. Let me state this clearly. I do NOT believe in the Christian God...nor any other. And when someone says otherwise, it is all I can do to remain polite. Yes, I do have an understanding of Christianity. I do have an understanding of Christian beliefs. I do not share them. I shan't..I won't put those things in this thread. That is a derailment. My concern overall has always been that my sister, whom I love dearly, would be taken in by the likes of Benny Hinn. A man, who in my opinion, preys upon people like my sister.

I don't know what else to say without being horribly offensive.

All I know is this. I love my sister. I will do whatever I can to protect her. I cannot stand to see her suffer any more. Not a bit..not at all. And if that makes me evil, so be it. If that makes me judgemental, so be it. If that makes me the evil atheist who broils kittens on a barbeque..or one who others "know" believes in God. So be it. As long as my sister is safe from harm I DON'T CARE.

I do apologize for the overly emotional tone of this post. It is what it is. I thank you all for particpating. I thank you all for the loving kindness you have shown. As for me, I'm pretty much done with this thread. I never intended it to be about me, but only my sister. And she rests easy now.

Be well.

~G~

 

[SPALATIN]

It has taken me a very long time to calm down...and I haven't been successful. I would apologize for my temper...yet..it is what it is. Celine, I am sorry, I know you have a good heart. I know what you believe. Nevertheless, when someone disregards me, I find it very, very hard to be kind. I find it hard to be charitable. Let me state this clearly. I do NOT believe in the Christian God...nor any other. And when someone says otherwise, it is all I can do to remain polite. Yes, I do have an understanding of Christianity. I do have an understanding of Christian beliefs. I do not share them. I shan't..I won't put those things in this thread. That is a derailment. My concern overall has always been that my sister, whom I love dearly, would be taken in by the likes of Benny Hinn. A man, who in my opinion, preys upon people like my sister.

I don't know what else to say without being horribly offensive.

All I know is this. I love my sister. I will do whatever I can to protect her. I cannot stand to see her suffer any more. Not a bit..not at all. And if that makes me evil, so be it. If that makes me judgemental, so be it. If that makes me the evil atheist who broils kittens on a barbeque..or one who others "know" believes in God. So be it. As long as my sister is safe from harm I DON'T CARE.

I do apologize for the overly emotional tone of this post. It is what it is. I thank you all for particpating. I thank you all for the loving kindness you have shown. As for me, I'm pretty much done with this thread. I never intended it to be about me, but only my sister. And she rests easy now.

Be well.

~G~

Garnet,

Having read the last few posts by you and the others in this thread I am going to side with you on this. I would agree that your Sister being taken in by the likes of someone like Benny Hinn would make anyone's skin crawl. People like Hinn give a bad name to Christianity as do Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers and anyone else in the Word of Faith movement. I think that your concerns are legitimate. The only question I would have is this what if it were a respectable evangelist that you Sister were listening to, would you still be upset about it?

I wouldn't try to convert someone who doesn't want to be converted. Besides that is not my place to do so. The only one who can do that is the Holy Spirit but that is another discussion. The others here need to quit trying to force God on Garnet. You don't have the power to do anything here. I have seen some of you share Bible verses in your posts, but as you can see it is driving him crazy.

That is all I really have to say on the subject and I will pray that your sister does not fall prey to Benny Hinn or any of those shysters.

 

[walkin2e]

Well said.....May God bless you and continue to impart wisdom unto you...Irvin

 

[CelineDion]

Sorry garnet...i apologize for being offensive.

 

[All4one]

I must ask the same as SLS. In all love if this question offends you then please disregard it.

All I know is this. I love my sister. I will do whatever I can to protect her. I cannot stand to see her suffer any more. Not a bit..not at all. And if that makes me evil, so be it. If that makes me judgemental, so be it. If that makes me the evil atheist who broils kittens on a barbeque..or one who others "know" believes in God. So be it. As long as my sister is safe from harm I DON'T CARE.

I just wonder if you back up her faith or reject it?

I will do whatever I can to protect her.

Do you consider her faith a threat?

Once again I ask these things in curiosity and love, take no offense to my asking and if I am crossing a boarder line into your person business then let me know and my curiosity will be fulfilled.

In Christs Love,
All4one

 

[Djinn]

The fact of the matter Garnet2727, you're here. Be it for what reasons, your here at a very loving community. Be it as it may that you proclaim what faith you have or not, God loves you no matter what you think. That alone is comforting enough for me to know. You my friend have a kind heart. Enough to look out for the interest of your sister. As a minister, I can tell you this much, God knows your heart.

We as a whole nation(USA)are in the very heart of a religious battle on who is right, who is wrong, what religion is of God vs.. what's not, who's of God and Who's not. My point is, for your own education and opinion on anything in the future, learn first hand. In this I mean, try watching Benny Henn or any other controversial minister for yourself. Drawing conclusions from second and or third party views is utterly ignorant in the utmost sense. I wrote my opinion from the bible and not what people have said "hear say". Even the devil knows the bible and his legion work to support it by all means. This can end up in discombobulated heap of hate and I rebuke this in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ! I need not throw my opinions at you, I think your smart enough to know who God is. May God bless you friend, and his Guardian Angels protect you and your family.

 

[Garnet2727]

I would like to apologize to everyone for my rant of last evening. I'm going through a particularly difficult time in my life and unfortunately, I took it out on everyone here. I'm sorry.

Celine, please accept my personal apology to you. I jumped on your posts in an unacceptable manner. Please forgive me.

Now to answer some particular posts.

<snip>The only question I would have is this what if it were a respectable evangelist that you Sister were listening to, would you still be upset about it?

No, not at all. In fact, the pastor of my sister's church is a man I admire and respect. He had done many, many things to help both of my sisters and other members of my family. His knowledge of the Bible is absolutely astounding. He reads both Greek and Hebrew. He and I have an on-going e-mail correspondence as I continue to study Bible history. Not to mention, he is a genuinely nice and kind man. My sister has attended several Billy Graham crusades, and I've no issue with those.

I must ask the same as SLS. In all love if this question offends you then please disregard it.


I just wonder if you back up her faith or reject it?

While I personally do not believe, I do not argue with any one in my family about their faith. I don't push them to reject it. In fact, the only time I discuss religion with my family members is if one of them brings it up. I am honest and open about my non-belief, but I don't proseltyze.

On the other hand, though many people may find this puzzling, my sister and I do study the Bible together. Right now, we are reading through the Book of Jeremiah together and having weekly discussions about what we are reading.

Do you consider her faith a threat?

No, not at all. Her faith is a major component of who she is. Her faith has carried her through dark and tragic times. Her faith gives her joy. It is no threat to me at all.

Once again I ask these things in curiosity and love, take no offense to my asking and if I am crossing a boarder line into your person business then let me know and my curiosity will be fulfilled.

No offense taken. I'm over my snit.

<snip> My point is, for your own education and opinion on anything in the future, learn first hand. In this I mean, try watching Benny Henn or any other controversial minister for yourself. Drawing conclusions from second and or third party views is utterly ignorant in the utmost sense. I wrote my opinion from the bible and not what people have said "hear say".

Actually, I did that. I've watched many hours of Benny Hinn as well as other TV evangelists. Many hours. And that is why I was initially concerned when my sister started talking about going to one of his revivals. Before I spoke with her about it, I also did quite a bit of research on the web. Another thing I did, other than coming in here to pose my questions to believers, is I talked with my Christian friends in person and on the phone. I also raised the issue in a Christian chat room which I regularly attend. I don't have a tendency to interfere at all in what my sister does. In fact, this is the first time I've ever raised a concern with her about something to do with her faith.

Be well all.

~G~

 

[All4one]

I do admire you Garnet for being so open! I saw your post in the recreation room about good or bad at loosing your temper and knew you were thinking about it.. Love ya sister. I just wonder that since you don't consider this a threat for you sister and family do you think it would be a threat for you to truly become involved? Would accepting Christ be a threat to you since it is not to your sister, whom you seem to love with a passion.
Your zeal for your sister and family is to be admired, I just wish to say don't be afraid to swim with them... the water is warm !

 

[Ave Maria]

Hello all,

I'm looking for some advice here. My sister, who is a Southern Baptist is going to a Benny Hinn revival (show?) in Atlanta in a few months. I'm VERY concerned about this. My sister is in a particularly needy state of mind. She lost her eldest son 4 years ago and still is grieving daily.

I've watched Benny Hinn on TV and have also done some research about him. It seems that many conservative Christians consider him a heretic. As for me, I think he's a snake oil salesman out to get money.

I'm not sure what to do about this. I see my sister getting easily sucked into his nonsense. I've tried telling her and sending her links from Christians sites, but her mind is set on going and she frankly doesn't want to hear it from an atheist.

Any input?

Wow! It amazes me that a Southern Baptist would be interested in Benny Hinn. I honestly never thought that a Southern Baptist would be interested in a guy like him. I was raised Southern Baptist and it just seems unusual to me.

I think I posted about this already but you definitely have the right to be concerned about Benny Hinn. I personally feel that he is heretical.

 

[Bevlina]

Yep....I get bad feelings about Benny Hinn. But you've gotta hand it to the man! He sure knows how to make money fast!!
Keep away from him. He's bad news.

 

[meebs]

Odd that this answer should come from an atheist...but...one example of false doctrine that comes to mind is his preaching that the trinity is really nine entities. I know that there are other examples out there, but don't have time to post them right now.

nothing odd at all, athiests can know the bible too. Shows open mindedness. Some athiests wont read it. Im happy for you that your sister has got a critical eye about it. Tell her to keep her mind open, look at other points of view, read the bible, and then make her mind up for herself.

rep points for you