communism and socialism are work of the devil

[want-love]

russia venezuela cuba... deifying their leaders putin chavez and castro, they speak hours and hours saying lies

and there is an inner jibe into them, that disappears when they end up blaspheming the holy spirit

 

[Sketcher]

To say nothing of the millions of people they have killed and brutally oppressed.

 

[DZoolander]

Well, I think the "devil" is in the details...especially when it comes to "socialism"

There are varying degrees of socialism. Every market sector/service that's determined to be better funded as a public good is a degree of "socialism" - and it's foolish to believe that there are NOT market sectors that are best left in the public domain. Military is a really good example. Other things are as well.

In fact - government involvement in certain sectors is very healthy for the economy - freeing up large amounts of money that would be extorted from people due to relative inelasticity of demand to be utilized in sectors that are more conducive to free/competitive markets.

 

[Sabertooth]

Leviticus 19:9-10 supports a lighter form of socialism, though I can agree with the OP about communism (in those regimes).

 

[SkyWriting]

russia venezuela cuba... deifying their leaders putin chavez and castro, they speak hours and hours saying lies

and there is an inner jibe into them, that disappears when they end up blaspheming the holy spirit

Everything can be used by the devil for evil purposes, Capitalism included.

 

[Zoii]

Each system has strengths and failures and brand of ethics.

Democracy provides for individual freedoms and empowers individuals to have a say in their government. Trade is relatively free and individual actions are free. But it fails particularly particularly when it comes to true long term planning for a nation because each decision has to be battled out between lower and upper houses of government. They are prone to lobbying and total ineffectual long-term decision making.

China adopts a brand of communism. Its breathtaking in its capacity to make a decision and then act on it - no stumbling with lobby groups. Its planning disgraces other countries as its strategic plan is 100 years to the future. Just look at its decision to address pollution in the nation. It now has the most assertive alternative energy policies. The downside is that it restricts individual freedoms. In the past it has attacked religions aggressively and until recently individual movement was restrictive. Still, today it stands out as the leading superpower and dominates the world economy. None of any of this though rates it satanic which the OP asserts

 

[SkyWriting]

Each system has strengths and failures and brand of ethics.

Democracy provides for individual freedoms and empowers individuals to have a say in their government. Trade is relatively free and individual actions are free. But it fails particularly particularly when it comes to true long term planning for a nation because each decision has to be battled out between lower and upper houses of government. They are prone to lobbying and total ineffectual long-term decision making.

China adopts a brand of communism. Its breathtaking in its capacity to make a decision and then act on it - no stumbling with lobby groups. Its planning disgraces other countries as its strategic plan is 100 years to the future. Just look at its decision to address pollution in the nation. It now has the most assertive alternative energy policies. The downside is that it restricts individual freedoms. In the past it has attacked religions aggressively and until recently individual movement was restrictive. Still, today it stands out as the leading superpower and dominates the world economy. None of any of this though rates it satanic which the OP asserts

Yes but the core of its strategic plan is to use social networking and create methods to steal technology and ideas from the rest of the world. They do not recognise intellectual property rights as a valid claim. It is personal selfishness on a communal platform, which could be considered Satanic.

 

[Zoii]

Yes but the core of its strategic plan is to use social networking and create methods to steal technology and ideas from the rest of the world. They do not recognise intellectual property rights as a valid claim. It is personal selfishness on a communal platform, which could be considered Satanic.

I think you underestimate its core and as for stealing intellectual property, Japan,EU, USA. UK have all been guilty of that - are you saying those countries are satanic as well?

 

[Shempster]

Everything can be used by the devil for evil purposes, Capitalism included.

This!

Capitalism has resulted in a tremendous number of murders across the globe.
If it were not for evil people exploiting the weaknesses of socialism/communism it would probably be a superior form of government.
But since its tenets create vulnerability, evil, self-serving leaders are easily able to enslave the masses and hoard power and wealth to themselves.

Look at the "way" of the early believers. They considered each other equals no matter their wealth or status. Those who had more than the next freely shared with them to maintain this sense of equality. But it was all self-generated out of love, not law.
They would not have needed to create any rules or laws down the road if selfish "wolves" in sheep's clothing had not infiltrated the group. But they did.
The "Way" was a reflection of the core of communism...only with Jesus as the head. Not some greedy killer bent on control and conquest.

There is no political system that can benefit and protect everyone. At this point in history, it appears that capitalism is the least detrimental and most progressive system. It does leave some fall through the cracks, though. The weak, the poor, the under-privileged. As believers in Jesus and followers of The Way, we should personally help people out of our own pockets or teach them skills or pray for them to help them to level up.

Rambling session over.

Bless.

 

[Zatek]

Leviticus 19:9-10 supports a lighter form of socialism, though I can agree with the OP about communism (in those regimes).

That's not socialism. That's giving back and being obedient to God. Government is not God. Also, the very next verse, 19:11, is 'do not steal', which is exactly what governments are doing when they rack up 20 trillion in deby that future unborn children are expected to pay.

 

[Sabertooth]

Government is not God.

That view is at odds with Romans 13:1-7,

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor."

(These verses were written near the height of the Roman empire.)

 

[Zatek]

That view is at odds with Romans 13:1-7,

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor."

(These verses were written near the height of the Roman empire.)

You're right. That's why Peter never preached about Jesus again after the Jewish leaders threw him in jail and told him not to in Acts 5.... oh wait, actually he did keep preaching about Jesus even though they told him not to.

Obviously Paul is talking about governments who ruling justly, not unjustly. In the case of the US, taxes that are for defined roles of the federal government in Article 1 section 8 of the constitution are legal and moral. Anything outside of that, such as healthcare, diet recommendations, welfare, corporate bailouts, education grants, etc, etc, are all stealing and immoral regardless of whether or not the government declares it legal.

 

[Sabertooth]

Obviously Paul is talking about governments who ruling justly, not unjustly.

Ruling generally, not anti-theistically. Are you saying that the Roman government was more just than ours? How about Babylon in the book of Daniel?

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Yeah all that socialism like the interstate road system, public transportation, utilities, social security and medicare are just so satanic...

 

[jaybird88]

russia venezuela cuba... deifying their leaders putin chavez and castro, they speak hours and hours saying lies

and there is an inner jibe into them, that disappears when they end up blaspheming the holy spirit

funny that if you go to a public school in USA and hand out bibles you could go to jail, but you can go to Russia and hand them out in a public school all day no problem.

remind again why they are the devil?

 

[SkyWriting]

Capitalism has resulted in a tremendous number of murders across the globe.

No mass graves or genocide that I know of.
Some supervisors can be pretty hard on people.
Is there something you haven't told the police?

 

[jaybird88]

No mass graves or genocide that I know of.
Some supervisors can be pretty hard on people.
Is there something you haven't told the police?

you might want to read a brief history of latin america and their relation with the US. the massacre in Guatemala and Colombia are good examples. cant imagine what it feels like to work for a crop plantation and at the same time be starving to death, but thats exactly what happened. some spoke out against the cruel treatment and they were slaughtered like animals.
this still goes on today, Brazil is a top five global agriculture producer with a top five starvation rate. capitalism at its finest.

 

[Shempster]

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No mass graves or genocide that I know of.
Some supervisors can be pretty hard on people.
Is there something you haven't told the police?

well if you want sheer numbers then we would have to include monarchies with capitalism. In that system, people could become wealthy so that the crown could come and take part of it. Kind of like what we have now.
England invaded and tried to take over almost every country on earth. They marched into a foreign land, killed the inhabitants and took their land and stuff. The bones are out there, they just have no names or headstones.
In more modern times the bodies are found in the middle east.

One evil capitalism produces is protectionism. After wealth is created, the rich must protect what they have gathered, and they often do with weapons. Often it leads to the sentiment that it is OK to eliminate a perceived threat before they actually attack or steal from us.

 

[want-love]

Yeah all that socialism like the interstate road system, public transportation, utilities, social security and medicare are just so satanic...

at what cost?

 

[want-love]

i can't deny it's complicated to solve this about right and left wing.
but i dared to throw that statement "communism is devil" because many many reasons that are not in this thread. Capitalism is god? no, i think not, because god made crazy the right and left wing, because the government of god is other better thing!