Communion

[PastorJoey]

Except that Jesus said that the creed was his flesh/body and the Word says that the breaking representative of Jesus body which is broken for us.



............. Through faith, we have the privilege of becoming one with Jesus by the eating of His flesh (leavened bread) and drinking of His blood (wine). This is the result of God's grace. You seem to miss the whole point of communion. It is our opportunity to perfect our oneness in Jesus with the Father so that we might become all that He is and gain access to all that He has. This includes the Father, Holy Ghost, eternal live, divine health, prosperity and all manner of God's blessings."


It is Jesus anointing I want.................Feeling good is fine, being happy is great and fellowshipping is wonderful, but not at the expense of the Truth.

Now theres one I totally agree with Prosperity. Good points.
PJ

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

Might I suggest a different take on communion? In 1 Corinthians 11 where it speaks of commuinion it speaks of it as the Lords supper....well hearing tapes about his subject through the years I recall many saying to the effect, "You know in that day they took it as a big banquet supper...and then they brought out the bread and the wine..."Well after many years I begain to ask the quesiton....yes they had it as a supper...and that's why they called it the Lords Supper....that's good...but why don't we do it that same way today?? And I got thinking about this after hearing some other teaching on it concerning having it as a supper....where everybody brings something....the world has the term pot luck? Well reading then through the verses about communion something made sense which many wonder

about....what did Paul mean when he stated that if we judge ourselves we will not be judged....Now I know that can have various true meanings....for sure....but in the actual text what was being referred to....I found this interesting......1 Corinthians 11: 21,22 its speaking about people who were coming to the Supper, and not understanding a certain important thing...they didn't want to wait until everyone got there....they were more concerned about filling their stomachs then what the Lords Supper really represented and that is the rich fellowship in the spirit we have between each other....then we hear the verses about if we judge ourselves...we will not be judged....and the chapter ends off what it was speaking about in the actual context....verse 34 states, Wherefore my brethren when you come

together to eat, tarry or wait for one another...And if any man hunger let him eat at home....that you come not together unto condemnation....so the thing people could come under judgement about was walking out of love towards brethren by not being nice and waiting for them....Now after the meal....you have the wine or grapejuice whatever one uses....and I believe they used the one loaf that is not being broken....one loaf....held up before them all....representing that we are one body....but the way many take communion is on a platter with all the bread broken already in pieces....well doesn't that signify division? Well, you take the one loaf hold it before all the people....you declare we are one.....and everyone starts feeling apart of the oneness....Christ is the head and we are the body...and we are one....then

you break the loaf and everyone eats a part of the oneness.....well the gathering of believers I go to now do it this way....im not saying doing it the other way is wrong doctrine or sin or whatever....but I suggest this way is a little more precious....we also know as well...whenever you might go to a pop luck supper at say your work....everybody brings something....what does it create? A feeling of belonging to the group....they begin to feel this meal is us.....we are one and we are sharing something of ourselves....well I do feel doing it this way in church does create a feeling of unity and harmony like the other way doesn't quite do the same....well that's my opinion anyway.... Have A Nice Day....

I don't know if the group you gather with is Messianic Jews or not, but this is what the Jewish religion does on Shabbat, Challah bread.

 

[Trish1947]

How about recovered alcoholics. I know a few that it's just too much of a temptation for them to take one drink of alcohol. And lets face it, temptation is temptation to the flesh. What if their faith isn't all that strong? I know a lady that when she takes one drink of alcohol, her white blood cell count goes above 20,000 and puts her into a drunken coma. She's allergic to alcohol.. I know. I hear the 'by Jesus stripes we are healed." but until they realize their healing, should people like this put themselves in jeopardy because their faith isn't where it should be, concerning their healing? Or should they not take communion at all because their faith isn't where it should be? I'm straining at knats, and swallowing camels I know. But I do know these cases.

 

[Prosperity]

How about recovered alcoholics. I know a few that it's just too much of a temptation for them to take one drink of alcohol. And lets face it, temptation is temptation to the flesh. What if their faith isn't all that strong? I know a lady that when she takes one drink of alcohol, her white blood cell count goes above 20,000 and puts her into a drunken coma. She's allergic to alcohol.. I know. I hear the 'by Jesus stripes we are healed." but until they realize their healing, should people like this put themselves in jeopardy because their faith isn't where it should be, concerning their healing? Or should they not take communion at all because their faith isn't where it should be? I'm straining at knats, and swallowing camels I know. But I do know these cases.

Maybe you should take your questions up with God in prayer. I'm quite certain He has the answers that you need.

 

[Prosperity]

Now theres one I totally agree with Prosperity. Good points.
PJ

I'm glad that we agree!

 

[Christina M]

How about recovered alcoholics. I'm straining at knats, and swallowing camels I know. But I do know these cases.

I don't believe you are straining at gnats, Trish.

Communion is all about remembering Christ and what He did for us.

It is not about legalism and what symbols to use.

There are Christians all over the world who do not have access to the precise elements Prosperity is spouting they "must" use or else.

God is a good God. He is a God who sees the heart. If someone is stranded on an island and uses coconut milk and some leaves from a tree, it is the same in the eyes of God. If one only has a corn tortilla and some horchata, God will be pleased they are thinking of and honoring Him.

"Do this IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME" doesn't say "only if you use the precise ingredients".

 

[Trish1947]

Maybe you should take your questions up with God in prayer. I'm quite certain He has the answers that you need.

Well that was easy to slide through. LOL. Prayers are already in progress for these ones that struggle. But our church would never place the added burden on them to drink fermented wine.

 

[bluered]

Dont be judgemental and be happy thats the way i see it.

 

[Prosperity]

Well that was easy to slide through. LOL. Prayers are already in progress for these ones that struggle. But our church would never place the added burden on them to drink fermented wine.

I guess I just don't find taking communion the way Jesus instructed and exemplified as a burden in any way. I would probably leave it up to these troubled individuals that you mentioned to assess their own faith and make their own decisions.

 

[Prosperity]

Communion is all about remembering Christ and what He did for us.

Through faith, we have the privilege of becoming one with Jesus by the eating of His flesh (leavened bread) and drinking of His blood (wine). This is the result of God's grace. You seem to miss the whole point of communion. It is our opportunity to perfect our oneness in Jesus with the Father so that we might become all that He is and gain access to all that He has. This includes the Father, Holy Ghost, eternal live, divine health, prosperity and all manner of God's blessings

It is not about legalism and what symbols to use.

It is not legalism to obey Christ and follow His example

There are Christians all over the world who do not have access to the precise elements Prosperity is spouting they "must" use or else.

I didn't realize that speaking ones beliefs is spouting. Just how did you come to know all these people all over the world. What difference does it make what everyone else is doing if you aren't doing what Jesus told you to do?

God is a good God. He is a God who sees the heart. If someone is stranded on an island and uses coconut milk and some leaves from a tree, it is the same in the eyes of God. If one only has a corn tortilla and some horchata, God will be pleased they are thinking of and honoring Him.

I guess that you could always ask God to provide the necessary elements.

"Do this IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME" doesn't say "only if you use the precise ingredients".

Jesus broke the bread, ate the bread, drank the wine and then said do this, which does not mean do it any way you think is best or to try to take advance of grace by being deliberately disobedient. You seem to have the hardest time accepting that Jesus actually new exactly what he was doing.

 

[Trish1947]

Prosperity... I guess I just don't find taking communion the way Jesus instructed and exemplified as a burden

I know your intensions are probably well meant. But there are those that struggle with alcohol. And if they have chosen to abstain from it altogether to keep themselves from tempation, or keep them out of the hospital, this to me is becoming, God is not tolerant of those that struggle conversation." It is all about that all have received Gods Mercy and Grace, not about legalistic observance. And we are to bear one anothers burdens. As long as you observe the meaning of communion, and God looks on the hearts of men. We need to be more understanding of those that do struggle, and love God just as much as anyone else.

 

[Prosperity]

I know your intensions are probably well meant. But there are those that struggle with alcohol. And if they have chosen to abstain from it altogether to keep themselves from temptation, or keep them out of the hospital, this to me is becoming, God is not tolerant of those that struggle conversation."

First of all, my intentions have nothing to do with this. Alcoholics can be delivered. Obese people can be delivered from gluttony and yet they still eat to life. Alcoholics can be delivered from alcoholism and take wine during communion. I'm certain that Jesus new there were alcoholics in the world and yet Jesus chose wine to take communion. If you are delivered, then you are no longer struggling. An alcoholic can be delivered, then, over time, get their minds lined up with the word and take communion just as Jesus did.

It is all about that all have received Gods Mercy and Grace, not about legalistic observance.

Communion is no part of Old Testament law. It's all about loving Jesus. If you love Jesus, you will obey Jesus. This is what Jesus had to say about it.

And we are to bear one another's burdens. As long as you observe the meaning of communion, and God looks on the hearts of men. We need to be more understanding of those that do struggle, and love God just as much as anyone else.

Alcoholism is easy to understand. An alcoholic's mind has made the necessary decisions to get the alcoholic to drink enough to become physically addicted to alcohol. Jesus has paid a tremendous price so that the alcoholic can be delivered and made free. He also gave the alcoholic his word so that the alcoholic can get his mind right. It isn't God's fault that an alcoholic is still an alcoholic. The responsibility lies with the alcoholic and the one who are ministering the Word to him to Minster in Truth which will make you free. This isn't legalism. It is the Gospel. I didn't write the Bible. I'm simply telling you what is says.

 

[Trish1947]

Prosperity... It is the Gospel. I didn't write the Bible. I'm simply telling you what is says.

It's also says the Bible to pluck out your eye if it offends you. Or cut off your hand if it offends you. I don't find too many Christians that observe this, when they get the lust of the eye. Or their hands have been involved in something they shouldn't

It is still the meaning of the communion we are to observe. Some drink the wine, with no heart observance at all. Does it count more in the eyes of the Lord that they drank the wine, and didn't acknowledge the blood and body of the Lord from the heart?

Yes God came to set the alcoholic free. But until the time that this is heart recieved and perceived truth, they still have struggles. Just knowing this in the mind does not help them, but in the mean time, they know this much..they will not touch alcohol.

 

[Prosperity]

Some drink the wine, with no heart observance at all. Does it count more in the eyes of the Lord that they drank the wine, and didn't acknowledge the blood and body of the Lord from the heart?

Jesus instructed us on how to take communion. Jesus set the example of how to take communion. To me, this is as simple as falling off a truck. You either believe that Jesus knew what he was doing or you don't. You are either going to follow Jesus' example in this area or you won't. No where in the Bible does it say anything that approaches what you said when you said, " It is still the meaning of the communion we are to observe." If this is all that was important, I think that Jesus or one of the decuples would have told us. If there was a preferable way to take communion, don't you think that Jesus, who was God, could have figured out how to go it.

Now, having said that, do as you wish. I choose to do as Jesus did, not as man has interpreted what Jesus did.

I believe that if you want God's best, then you need to obey his word. Obedience is not legalism. Obedience is an act of love, which is exactly what Jesus called it.

 

[Trish1947]

Prosperity....I believe that if you want God's best, then you need to obey his word. Obedience is not legalism. Obedience is an act of love, which is exactly what Jesus called it.

This is works based belief. If you believe that drinking wine, instead of grape juice helps you on receiving God best, I have disagree with you. Recieving His best is based solely on what His Son did for us. The believing in the completed work of Christ, and belief in the promises. Not because you chose to drink wine.
We believe his Word according to the promises.
I have been receiving the best of God's blessings for 49 years, grape juice and all, because He tells us that it's only through His Sons appropriation for us, by the recieving the free gift of His rightousness, by faith, that was imputed to us by Him, when we believed, and of belief in the Word according to the promises.

 

[Prosperity]

This is works based belief. If you think that drinking wine, instead of grape juice helps you on receiving God best, I totally disagree with you.

Tell it to Jesus. I didn't choose wine.

Receiving His best is based totally on what His Son did for us. And the believing in the completed work of Christ, and belief in the promises. Not because you chose to drink wine

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Again, go tell it to Jesus. I didn't choose wine.

We believe his Word according to the promises.

So do I. Communion is part of His word. Receiving his body and blood is a blessing.

I have been receiving the best of God's blessings for 49 years, grape and all, because He tells us that it's only through His Sons appropriation for us by the receiving the gift of His righteousness, by faith, that was imputed to us by Him, when we believed, and of belief in the promises.

You are mixing apples and oranges again.

If you are at peace with your grape juice, then do what you are at peace with.

 

[Trish1947]

Prosperity....So do I. Communion is part of His word. Receiving his body and blood is a blessing.

In this context..I agree.

 

[Prosperity]

In this context..I agree.

Good!

 

[Andrew]

Please provide scriptural support.

There is no scripture that says that "Yes, Ribena is acceptable"

But neither is there scripture that says that "Only wine is permissible"

Neither is there any scripture that says, "Leavened bread is to be used in the Holy Communion".

In fact, leavened bread is made using yeast. And yeast symbolises sin and erroneous doctrine (of the religious Pharisees) in the Bible.

So until you can show me a scripture that says that it MUST be wine and leavened bread, I see no point in carrying on this line of argument with you.

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

I can't believe this has gone on for 6 pages. As I said somewhere in the first 3, Yeshua didn't use leavened bread. It was a Passover Feast, otherwise knowm as "The Feast of Unleavened Bread". He followed His Fathers' law, there was no way He use leavened bread.If we want to take communion as He did, store up the Matzah, cause that's what you'll need.