Communion

[Trish1947]

Why do you take communion?
Why was Jesus so specific about how to take communion if it weren't important?
Why not take communion just like Jesus said to take it?

If you don't take communion the way Jesus said to take communion, then how do you even call it communion?

Please be specific.

To take communion does not have anything to do with honoring unleavened bread or firmented wine. If Jesus Blood and Body is not the focal point in your heart when taking communion, the one that fulfilled the symbolism, then why take it at all? It's not the unleavend bread, or the wine that saved us. I realize the symbolism of what it means. I understand that. But we are no longer left with symbolism. But we have faith in the risen Lord.

 

[CrazyforYeshua]

There was also leavened bread in Jesus time. Jesus body and blood was the feast of the new Covenant. The flesh and blood of animals could not do what Jesus' blood could do. The flesh of animal sacrifices did not have the life of God in it. The unleavened bread is symbolic of that lack of live. Leavened bread is has life in it and it symbolic of a risen living Christ. The flesh of Jesus has the life of God in it, ergo leavened bread is in order.

I don't think you get what I'm saying. It was the Passover feast, there may have been leavened bread available, but not there. Unleavened bread is a requirement at a Passover Seder ( Feast in Yeshuas' time), all leaven must be cleaned out of the house, it's not allowed.

 

[Prosperity]

To take communion does not have anything to do with honoring unleavened bread or fermented wine. If Jesus Blood and Body is not the focal point in your heart when taking communion, the one that fulfilled the symbolism, then why take it at all? It's not the unleavened bread, or the wine that saved us. I realize the symbolism of what it means. I understand that. But we are no longer left with symbolism. But we have faith in the risen Lord.

So, in other words you've elected not to answer my questions?

By the way, I never once said anything about honoring bread and wine, nor will you find the word symbolism in my writings. So I guess I don't know why you are giving me the answer you gave me.

 

[Trish1947]

Prosperity... So, in other words you've elected not to answer my questions?

What I have decided is not to banter with you any longer. Since I gave you an answer. Lets just agree to disagree on certain points. It's allowed here.

 

[Prosperity]

I don't think you get what I'm saying. It was the Passover feast, there may have been leavened bread available, but not there. Unleavened bread is a requirement at a Passover Seder ( Feast in Yeshuas' time), all leaven must be cleaned out of the house, it's not allowed.

God is the one who makes establishes the requirements. If you will please note, Jesus who is God, said that the wine that he blessed was His blood of the New, not the Old, Testament. He was the Passover Lamb who was officiating over a New Testament Passover feast which didn't just pass over your sin, but removed it. In like manner, he blessed the bread which no longer had to be unleavened because Jesus was the fulfillment of the law. Leavened bread is created from a living dough, not a dead dough. Jesus was a living sacrifice, not the dead sacrifice of the Old Covenant. He was giving them His blood which removes sin. This is a big difference between the Old and New Covenant.

 

[Prosperity]

What I have decided is not to banter with you any longer. Since I gave you an answer. Lets just agree to disagree on certain points. It's allowed here.

I don't believe in agreeing to disagree. It isn't scriptural.

I wasn't bantering with you. I simply wanted you to give me some straight forward word-based answers.

Have a good day!

 

[Trish1947]

Prosperity....I don't believe in agreeing to disagree. It isn't scriptural.

Oh, my..have fun on the forum.

 

[Prosperity]

Oh, my..have fun on the forum

? lol

 

[riverpastor]

Prosperity,

The Word is not as legalistic as you are pointing Him out to be.

If He is, then He needs to point out what percentage the alcohol content needs to be in this "wine-only" Communion theory. Will it be 6.25%, 12%, or 18%?


Take a step back and listen to what you are saying... or rather, how you are saying it.

Let the Love of God flow from you when you write. It is much needed here.

 

[Trish1947]

God is the one who makes establishes the requirements. If you will please note, Jesus who is God, said that the wine that he blessed was His blood of the New, not the Old, Testament. He was the Passover Lamb who was officiating over a New Testament Passover feast which didn't just pass over your sin, but removed it. In like manner, he blessed the bread which no longer had to be unleavened because Jesus was the fulfillment of the law. Leavened bread is created from a living dough, not a dead dough. Jesus was a living sacrifice, not the dead sacrifice of the Old Covenant. He was giving them His blood which removes sin. This is a big difference between the Old and New Covenant.

Was this a test? This is what I'm getting at..In fact a light has come on. Why not make sure that the bread that you take is living bread to symbolize the sacrifice?

Jhn 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

 

[Prosperity]

Was this a test? This is what I'm getting at..In fact a light has come on. Why not make sure that the bread that you take is living bread to symbolize the sacrifice?

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Wow! I'm not sure whether to be elated or apprehensive of your response. I do like your response. It just seems a shift in your thinking. Is this truly a shift in your thinking?

 

[Prosperity]

Prosperity,

The Word is not as legalistic as you are pointing Him out to be.

If He is, then He needs to point out what percentage the alcohol content needs to be in this "wine-only" Communion theory. Will it be 6.25%, 12%, or 18%?

Take a step back and listen to what you are saying... or rather, how you are saying it.

Let the Love of God flow from you when you write. It is much needed here.

I'm not being legalistic.

You need to go re-read what I've written.

In short, my point is that Jesus gave instruction and example as to how we are to take communion, so why don't we do it as Jesus said to do it.

I think this is pretty simple.

 

[Trish1947]

Wow! I'm not sure whether to be elated or apprehensive of your response. I do like your response. It just seems a shift in your thinking. Is this truly a shift in your thinking?

Well it was one of those moments when things screech to a halt, and you go wow..LOL..Yes, I'm serious.

 

[Prosperity]

Thank you Jesus!

I offer these verses to you to see if they speak to you anew.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 6:49-58

48 I am that bread of life.
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

The Bread

Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

Mark 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.


1 Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.


The Blood

Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mark 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

 

[Prosperity]

I'm really happy for you!

 

[Prosperity]

This could make a great book title:

"Jesus' Bread Isn't Dead"

 

[Trish1947]

Thanks for that post. I have understood about eating and drinking his flesh and blood for many years. If I don't I have no life in me. I eat it and drink it new, everyday in my spirit..

I think we agree on more than we seem to. And that's a good thing..When we get rid of ourselves and allow the Spirit to lead, we agree on more than we think. It's hard sometimes to communicate what's in the heart on a forum..

Have a wonderful evening, Prosperity.

 

[Prosperity]

Thank you and Happy Birthday!

 

[Prosperity]

"Christ Is Our Passover

God gave instructions to the Israelites so they could escape
the judgment coming on the Egyptians.

EXODUS 12:7,13 NKJ
7 `And they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two
doorposts and on the lintel of the houses where they eat it.
13 `Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where
you are. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and
the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the
land of Egypt.

The Egyptians had no protection from the destroyer, but the
people of Israel who put the blood of a lamb on their dwellings
were safe.

The blood represented the Blood of the Lamb slain from the
foundation of the world -- Jesus Christ (Rev. 13:8). Judgment
was legally avoided because of it.

The blood applied stopped the destroyer. Action was required --
not just passive belief in the blood.

PSALM 105:37 NKJ
37 He also brought them out with silver and gold, and there was
none feeble among His tribes.

Not only were the children of Israel spared from destruction,
but they all left Egypt in good health carrying away the wealth
of Egypt.

Christ is our Passover. Can we not expect Him to provide us as
much protection and deliverance as the lamb provided the
children of Israel in Egypt?

1 CORINTHIANS 5:7 NKJ
7 . . . For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.

HEBREWS 8:6 NKJ
6 . . . He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was
established on better promises.

LUKE 22:20 NKJ
20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This
cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

New Covenant believers have the right to draw a faith Blood
line the devil cannot cross. By speaking words of faith we
apply the Blood over the "doorposts" of our lives -- the outer
edges of all that belongs to us.

With blood on the door of the Israelites in Egypt, no evil
dared enter their dwelling. Likewise, we are kept safe through
the protection of the divine Blood of Jesus.

Wherever we have authority we should apply the Blood -- and
never leave the protection the Blood of Jesus provides."

From Church for All

 

[godson777]

Prosperity,

The Word is not as legalistic as you are pointing Him out to be.

If He is, then He needs to point out what percentage the alcohol content needs to be in this "wine-only" Communion theory. Will it be 6.25%, 12%, or 18%?


Take a step back and listen to what you are saying... or rather, how you are saying it.

Let the Love of God flow from you when you write. It is much needed here.

Great post - exactly what I was thinking!