Communion Bread

[ptomwebster]

Christ didn't consecrate Pepsi for the purpose of celebrating his death and return. He consecrated wine for that purpose.

He might have if He had had them.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

He might have if He had had them.

Not unless we are going to divorce HIM from the order of Melchizedek.

Genesis 14:18
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

See why it's important? Not because we chose it, but because it is ordained by God.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[ptomwebster]

Oth USA



You may have your Theology, I will stay with mine. I do not worship the elements I worship the Lord which gave them. I remember the Lord's death and Resurrection every time I share a meal, breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Oth USA



You may have your Theology, I will stay with mine. I do not worship the elements I worship the Lord which gave them. I remember the Lord's death and Resurrection every time I share a meal, breakfast, lunch and dinner.

And it has zero to do with communion with the body. If it's not done by the community of believers with bread and wine and the Anaphora prayers then it's a private devotion and not The Holy Eucharist.

I don't care if you don't like what I'm saying, it's not personal in any way, and I don't believe in anyone's right to disparage others here.

So keep your ad hominem, "You can have you Theology" to yourself.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[ptomwebster]

And it has zero to do with communion with the body. If it's not done by the community of believers with bread and wine and the Anaphora prayers then it's a private devotion and not The Holy Eucharist.

Again, You and your church may have your Theology, I will stay with our Theology. I am not part of The Orthodox Church, the Catholic Church or the Lutheran Church because I do not agree with you. You are not the whole of the community of believers but a portion of it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by GratiaCorpusChristi

Christ didn't consecrate Pepsi for the purpose of celebrating his death and return. He consecrated wine for that purpose.
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Originally Posted by ptomwebster

He might have if He had had them.

Not unless we are going to divorce HIM from the order of Melchizedek.

Genesis 14:18
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

See why it's important? Not because we chose it, but because it is ordained by God.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Melchizedek sure is a mysterious character, both to the Jews and non-Jews......I like him

Genesis 14:
18 And Malkiy-Tsedeq, king of Shalem brought forth bread and wine and He a Priest of 'El-Most-High/'Elyown.
19 and he blessing him and he is saying, "being blessed Abram of 'El-most-high/'Elyown possessor of heavens and land
[Hebrew 7:1]


Hebrews 7:
1 For this. the Melchisedek, King of Salem/salhm <4532>,Priest/iereuV of the God of the Most High,
the together-joining Abraham turning-back from the smiting of the kings, and did bless him
2 to whom also Abraham divided a tenth part of all (being first, by interpretation, King of righteousness, and then also King of Salem, which is King of peace;
3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God), abideth a priest continually.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/priest/RP24.htm

One of the most intriguing descriptions of the unique character of the High Priesthood of Jesus is found in Heb. 7:17 wherein it is stated, "Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This one grand statement shows that Jesus is not like any of the other priests who the people of Israel knew so much about. The entire seventh chapter of Hebrews is about THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION,


In the Genesis story Melchizedek is a strange and mysterious figure. He flashes across the scene like a meteor. There is no heralding of his appearance, nor any mention of its results. He arrives out of the blue; there is no account of his family; there is nothing about his birth, his descent, his life, his work, or his death. He simply arrives..............


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[GreekOrthodox]

Does anyone actually prefer the tasteless wafers or oyster crackers to the real bread you sometimes see?

Ten times out of ten I prefer this...

...to these:

And, I think it's more liturgically and theologically appropriate to have members of the community actually making the bread and bringing it forward at the offering (or during a pre-service Matins or liturgy of preparation).

Gratia, just come make the swim across the Bosphorus. Enough of us former Lutherans are here that we know how to make good bread and brew good beer

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Coffee and a plain donut hole.

Coffee hour is the unnumbered sacrament...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Gratia, just come make the swim across the Bosphorus.
Enough of us former Lutherans are here that we know how to make good bread and brew good beer

Can't we just take a boat

http://www.christianforums.com/t3292756/
6 Theologians Cross the Tiber

Going CatholicSix journeys to Rome by Jason Byassee

When I ran into a friend from divinity school recently, we asked each other the normal catch-up questions. Then, in the same casual tone, she said, "So are you going to become Catholic?"

It's not that odd a question these days in theological circles. Last year a string of theologians left their Protestant denominations for the church of Rome. The list includes three Lutherans&#8212;Reinhard Hütter and Bruce Marshall, theologians at Methodist seminaries (Duke and Southern Methodist), and Mickey Mattox, a Luther scholar at Marquette; two Anglicans&#8212;Rusty Reno of Creighton and Douglas Farrow of McGill University; and a Mennonite&#8212;Gerald Schlabach of St. Thomas University.

Going Catholic | The Christian Century

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[JacktheCatholic]

To each his own.

Yes, one either chooses to follow God or not. Right?

My intent, is to follow God and go to Heaven.

 

[sunlover1]

Yes, one either chooses to follow God or not. Right?

My intent, is to follow God and go to Heaven.

You're already there, no?

But weren't you joking when you said:
It must be wheat bread and made from human hands and consecrated by
a priest/bishop who was ordained from an unbroken line that goes back
to the Apostles and thus Jesus.

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[JacktheCatholic]

The Orthodox Church takes the position that it's not ours to change, and we continue to practice what we have been given by the Apostles, no matter what.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

Yes, as it should be. And, our Byzantine Rite observes this as you do.
A little history:

Pope Leo IX had as early as 1054 issued a protest against Michael Cærularius (cf. Migne, P.L., CXLIII, 775), in which he referred to the Scriptural fact, that according to the three Synoptics the Last Supper was celebrated "on the first day of the azymes" and so the custom of the Western Church received its solemn sanction from the example of Christ Himself. The Jews, moreover, were accustomed even the day before the fourteenth of Nisan to get rid of all the leaven which chanced to be in their dwellings, that so they might from that time on partake exclusively of the so-called mazzoth as bread.

Some info I want to share with all:

Bread

The first element is wheaten bread (panis triticeus), without which the "confection of the Sacrament does not take place" (Missale Romanum: De defectibus, sect. 3), Being true bread, the Host must be baked, since mere flour is not bread. Since, moreover, the bread required is that formed of wheaten flour, not every kind of flour is allowed for validity, such, e.g., as is ground from rye, oats, barley, Indian corn or maize, though these are all botanically classified as grain (frumentum), On the other hand, the different varieties of wheat (as spelt, amel-corn, etc.) are valid, inasmuch as they can be proved botanically to be genuine wheat. The necessity of wheaten bread is deduced immediately from the words of Institution: "The Lord took bread" (ton arton), in connection with which it may be remarked, that in Scripture bread (artos), without any qualifying addition, always signifies wheaten bread. No doubt, too, Christ adhered unconditionally to the Jewish custom of using only wheaten bread in the Passover Supper, and by the words, "Do this for a commemoration of me", commanded its use for all succeeding times.

Source: CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: The Blessed Eucharist as a Sacrament

 

[JacktheCatholic]

You're already there, no?

But weren't you joking when you said:
It must be wheat bread and made from human hands and consecrated by
a priest/bishop who was ordained from an unbroken line that goes back
to the Apostles and thus Jesus.

?

No, I was serious and stated what I believe to be true as well as historically accurate.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

No, I was serious and stated what I believe to be true as well as historically accurate.

I fully agree.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[ptomwebster]

Yes, one either chooses to follow God or not. Right?

My intent, is to follow God and go to Heaven.

You aren't actually saying that you have the only way to Heaven, are you; meaning if I choose to follow a different Theology than you, I will not go to Heaven?

 

[MrLuther]

Holy mother of .....

This isn't a matter of "what tastes better?", but of "What did Jesus use?". He used unleavened bread.
Now, true, this does not necessarily HAVE to mean those wafers. As long as it is unleavened bread, like the Matzah-bread, it's valid.

But please, please spare me the "Let's just use random bread that the little old ladies made because it would mean so much to them.", or whatever kind of excuse can be used to use normal bread.

Hey, why not use the snickers-bar one of the kids gave the pastor one day? Sharing a snickers would be soooo cool symbolically, right?
Get the elements right, or don't have communion at all. Don't mock the sacred.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by sunlover1

You're already there, no?

But weren't you joking when you said:
It must be wheat bread and made from human hands and consecrated by
a priest/bishop who was ordained from an unbroken line that goes back
to the Apostles and thus Jesus.

?
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No, I was serious and stated what I believe to be true as well as historically accurate.

I fully agree.
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Wow! An EO agreeing with a RC!


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[sunlover1]

Holy mother of .....

This isn't a matter of "what tastes better?", but of "What did Jesus use?". He used unleavened bread.
Now, true, this does not necessarily HAVE to mean those wafers. As long as it is unleavened bread, like the Matzah-bread, it's valid.

But please, please spare me the "Let's just use random bread that the little old ladies made because it would mean so much to them.", or whatever kind of excuse can be used to use normal bread.

Hey, why not use the snickers-bar one of the kids gave the pastor one day? Sharing a snickers would be soooo cool symbolically, right?
Get the elements right, or don't have communion at all. Don't mock the sacred.

In the epistles they were eating meals, not just bread
It was the spirit of the thing, you know "communion",
"unity", "oneness".
So here we have folks condemning others for what kind
of flour they use, while forbidding them to partake of the
Lord's Supper in their own denomination unless they
join the club as a member.

Interesting to say the least.
Folks mocking the sacred?

 

[brinny]

...just a thought here....

communion means to "commune", does it not? What comes to mind for me is Psalm 4. Notice verse 4. What i'm prompted to think of is how, throughout His Word, God admonishes us to "walk" with Him (as it says in Micah and elsewhere) and there is no "walking" with Him if there is no "communing" with Him, is there? And here we have the "key" to what Communing" with God is, and it is a bottom line, and that bottom line is what it says in verse 4.

(the entire Psalm is a beautiful expression of loving God, and ytes in our quiet moments, dwelling on Him and "communing" with Him as we lay down......this ties right into what it means to love the LOrd God with all of our hearts, minds, souls, and strength, for we are "communing" with Him ALWAYS, for we are "walking" with Him...that walk is never broken, because our thoughts and our hearts and minds are "staid" on Him, therefor, "communing" and "communion" are constant, and not broken, but a continuation. It means our hearts are in constant communion with Him.

King James Bible
Answer Me When I Call!
"{To the chief Musician on Neginoth, A Psalm of David.} Hear me when I call, O God of my righteousness: thou hast enlarged me when I was in distress; have mercy upon me, and hear my prayer. O ye sons of men, how long will ye turn my glory into shame? how long will ye love vanity, and seek after leasing? Selah. But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him. Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah. Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD. There be many that say, Who will shew us any good? LORD, lift thou up the light of thy countenance upon us. Thou hast put gladness in my heart, more than in the time that their corn and their wine increased. I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety." ~Psalm 4

This li'l Psalm also is also possibly a key to why God called David the "apple of His eye"

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Holy mother of .....

This isn't a matter of "what tastes better?", but of "What did Jesus use?". He used unleavened bread.
Now, true, this does not necessarily HAVE to mean those wafers. As long as it is unleavened bread, like the Matzah-bread, it's valid.

But please, please spare me the "Let's just use random bread that the little old ladies made because it would mean so much to them.", or whatever kind of excuse can be used to use normal bread.

Hey, why not use the snickers-bar one of the kids gave the pastor one day? Sharing a snickers would be soooo cool symbolically, right?
Get the elements right, or don't have communion at all. Don't mock the sacred.

The picture I posted of communion bread that I prefer is unleavened. Unleavened bread isn't necessarily flat as a pancake.