Common Design and Phylogenies

[bhsmte]

I have provided you with abundant overwhelming support. My hands are clean, I have delivered what God sent me to deliver. What people do with that is totally up to them and their response has no effect on me. It is when I do not say anything that I am held accountable. There are sins of omission and sins of commission. We need to be aware of both.

Ezekiel 33:7 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 8 When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 9 But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved.

When in doubt, preach.

 

[joshua 1 9]

When in doubt, preach.

Preach, teach and heal the sick. That is what Jesus did and we are to follow Him in the example He set. I doubt if I would still even be alive if I was not serving God. If we are not doing the will of God then our life really has no purpose or meaning.

Acts 10:38 "God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him."

 

[Loudmouth]

I have provided you with abundant overwhelming support. My hands are clean, I have delivered what God sent me to deliver. What people do with that is totally up to them and their response has no effect on me. It is when I do not say anything that I am held accountable. There are sins of omission and sins of commission. We need to be aware of both.

Ezekiel 33:7 “Son of man, I have made you a watchman for the people of Israel; so hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. 8 When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. 9 But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved.

The actual situation is that no matter what evidence was shown to you, you would claim that it does not contradict the Bible. Your interpretation of the Bible is as pliable as you need it to be to accommodate any and all findings.

 

[bhsmte]

Preach, teach and heal the sick. That is what Jesus did and we are to follow Him in the example He set. I doubt if I would still even be alive if I was not serving God. If we are not doing the will of God then our life really has no purpose or meaning.

Acts 10:38 "God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him."

You are now telling me, my life has no purpose or meaning because i dont believe in your god???

 

[joshua 1 9]

The actual situation is that no matter what evidence was shown to you, you would claim that it does not contradict the Bible. Your interpretation of the Bible is as pliable as you need it to be to accommodate any and all findings.

Allegories usually are "as pliable as you need it to be". What makes the Bible so special is that the Bible is not only an allegory, the Bible is also based on Literal Truth. Adam and Eve were real people that lived in a real garden of Eden around 6,000 years ago. They are not only archetypes, they are also common ancestors in many ways. When I say that before Adam and Eve we had male and female. After Adam and Eve we had a man and a woman. So far not one person has grasped the meaning of what I am saying. No one seems to know the difference between a male and a man, a female and a woman. I repeatedly say that it would take a whole book to explain just one word that Moses uses in this story. Gerold Schneider talks about how there are 32 verses in Genesis chapter one. He claims that it would take hundreds of thousands of books to explain what Moses tells us in those 32 verses. As Einstein says you can not make something simple unless you really understand it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You are now telling me, my life has no purpose or meaning because i don't believe in your god???

I am not telling you that at all and I resent the fact that you people keep trying to set me up like that. Everytime I come on here I am constantly trying to avoid the traps that people try to set for me.

 

[bhsmte]

I am not telling you that at all and I resent the fact that you people keep trying to set me up like that. Everytime I come on here I am constantly trying to avoid the traps that people try to set for me.

LOL. Setting you up??? "If we are not doing the will of god, then our life has no purpose or meaning". You typed this a few minutes ago and you forgot already?

 

[Loudmouth]

What makes the Bible so special is that the Bible is not only an allegory, the Bible is also based on Literal Truth.

What evidence, if found, would falsify that claim?

When I say that before Adam and Eve we had male and female. After Adam and Eve we had a man and a woman. So far not one person has grasped the meaning of what I am saying. No one seems to know the difference between a male and a man, a female and a woman.

What evidence, if found, would falsify that claim?

 

[joshua 1 9]

What evidence, if found, would falsify that claim?

I always go back to Adam and Eve, almost as a litmus test. If you can show that Adam and Eve were not real people that lived around 6,000 years ago that would go a long way toward falsifying the Bible. Perhaps that is why so much energy goes into trying to falsify that the people we read about were real. People like Adam, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David and so on. The Bible would still have value as an allegory, but if these were not real people then the Bible would not have literal truth. For example no one questions the value of the book of Job, yet there is almost no historical context in the book of Job. The fact that the Bible has literal truth helps to substantiate the allegorical truth found in the Bible.

In Bible school we are taught that we teach the Bible one truth at a time. So for example look at the passage about the fig leaf in the story of Adam and Eve. Genesis 3:7 "3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons." As Gerold Schroeder tells us: many many books are found in the library of our leading Universities that help to explain this passage. We see that their "eyes were opened". We see that they "knew they were naked" then they "sewed fig leaves together" and "made themselves aprons". So we have four points of discussion in this sentence.

Lets deal with: "they sewed leaves together". First of all we know that they had sewing needles LONG before 6,000 years ago. In fact they had three artifacts going back as far as 40,000 years: sewing needles, fishing hooks, fishing nets. We know that they were able to use the fiber from fig trees to make tread, then cloth and they sewed that cloth into clothing. In Africa today clothing made from a fig tree fiber is not very strong. This is more like paper and they make clothing that is more for a festival or a ceremony. It looks real pretty for a day or so but the early clothing did not last very long.

In Genesis 3:21 we see that: "The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them". Now we see that Adam and Eve had more durable clothing than what they had back in Africa. We can see how Adam and Eve or their ancestors were able to go north out of Africa. It is easy to go east and west if you want to go from one biodiverse ecosystem to another system. Is it more difficult to go north or south because there is a difference in climate and the species must adapt to the difference in climate. Adam and Eve or the ancestors adapted to the colder ecosystem because they developed a way to make clothing out of animals skins. They then moved into an ecosystem that neanderthal dominated.

Now I talk about the way that God does things. In Exodus 23:29 we read: "But I will not drive them out in a single year, because the land would become desolate and the wild animals too numerous for you." We see that the process of one species replacing another species is slow and gradual. Deut 7:22 "The LORD your God will drive out those nations before you, little by little. You will not be allowed to eliminate them all at once, or the wild animals will multiply around you."

We clearly see that the Bible is literal truth. Not just a story that people tell, but a story that people tell about real people. A story that Science shows us is true. I have no problem with fiction, but the fact is that the Bible is a real story about real people. Of course this gets into the study of literature and that is a different class and a different book. People can know a lot about science but they may know very little about literature. They may only have their required freshman literature class. So they are not very qualified to understand literature and how to interpret it as a biography, autobiography or fiction. They are simply not trained to know the difference between fiction and nonfiction.

You and me have had discussion on how to balance catastrophism with gradualism. The Bible weighs in on this discussion with what looks more like gradualism. Yet I am sure I could come up with passages like Noah's flood that deals with catastrophism also. People who do not understand how to balance out these two theories may claim that there is a contradiction. You know that there is no contradiction when you properly understand the theories.

 

[joshua 1 9]

LOL. Setting you up??? "If we are not doing the will of god, then our life has no purpose or meaning". You typed this a few minutes ago and you forgot already?

I can not do anything if I keep getting set up and people complain and I get locked out of here.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You are now telling me, my life has no purpose or meaning because i dont believe in your god???

I could be accused of violating the rules if I answer your question. Your trying to cause me to violate the rules.

 

[bhsmte]

I can not do anything if I keep getting set up and people complain and I get locked out of here.

You set yourself up, withh your own words.

 

[bhsmte]

I could be accused of violating the rules if I answer your question. Your trying to cause me to violate the rules.

Do you stand by what you stated in post 247 or do you retract?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The God that reveals Himself in and through the Bible. That is why they call the Bible the Word of God.

"they" being Christians.

Muslims say that the Quran is the word of god and the bible is a corrupted version thereof.

 

[joshua 1 9]

"they" being Christians.

Muslims say that the Quran is the word of god and the bible is a corrupted version thereof.

Muslims do not believe the Torah is corrupted. They just know the law of God and many of them do not understand the grace of God. Jesus taught that we are to treat others the way we want others to treat us. This involves a degree of grace compared to an "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" that we see under the law. People need to realize: "if not for the grace of God there go I".

Jesus teaches this in the parable of tax collector and the Pharisee. "13 But the tax collector stood at a distance, unwilling even to lift up his eyes to heaven. Instead, he beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified." (Luke18)

A young muslim girl could be sold into sex slavery. She could have a boy that was a product of rape. She may want to strap a bomb on that boy and use him as an instrument to kill the sinners. Rather than for him to go out and buy a wife and repeat the cycle all over again. The funny thing is they cover up so all you see are the eyes. Yet the eye is the mirror of the soul so you can see the anger and the hatred in the eyes rather than the love, mercy, grace and forgiveness.

Even in the Chinese culture I have seen movies that looks into a marriage for money & convenience compared to a marriage for love. Saint Valentine was said to represent a Christian marriage based on love that we think of as romance today. So people decide if they want to marry for love or money. The women's liberation movement was based on women that say it is better not to marry at all because a women does not need a man she can take care of herself. This reinforces the belief that you should marry for love or companionship or don't get married at all. Of course different cultures are going to have different variations on this.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Do you stand by what you stated in post 247 or do you retract?

We are to do our best to always do the will of God and to serve God. We make a mess out of our lives when we do things our way and not God's way. Even I see a lot of people die early when they are living a life in rebellion against God and His will and His way for them. God encourages us to live a long life and to be healthy. Everyone should make the choice to follow God and His will and His plan for them and their life. He gives us that choice to make.

 

[joshua 1 9]

You set yourself up, withh your own words.

We are to have the mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. The Bible teaches that: "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God". To be spiritually minded is life and liberty. To be carnally minded is bondage and death.

 

[bhsmte]

Muslims do not believe the Torah is corrupted. They just know the law of God and many of them do not understand the grace of God. Jesus taught that we are to treat others the way we want others to treat us. This involves a degree of grace compared to an "eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" that we see under the law. People need to realize: "if not for the grace of God there go I".

Jesus teaches this in the parable of tax collector and the Pharisee. "13 But the tax collector stood at a distance, unwilling even to lift up his eyes to heaven. Instead, he beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man, rather than the Pharisee, went home justified." (Luke18)

A young muslim girl could be sold into sex slavery. She could have a boy that was a product of rape. She may want to strap a bomb on that boy and use him as an instrument to kill the sinners. Rather than for him to go out and buy a wife and repeat the cycle all over again. The funny thing is they cover up so all you see are the eyes. Yet the eye is the mirror of the soul so you can see the anger and the hatred in the eyes rather than the love, mercy, grace and forgiveness.

Even in the Chinese culture I have seen movies that looks into a marriage for money & convenience compared to a marriage for love. Saint Valentine was said to represent a Christian marriage based on love that we think of as romance today. So people decide if they want to marry for love or money. The women's liberation movement was based on women that say it is better not to marry at all because a women does not need a man she can take care of herself. This reinforces the belief that you should marry for love or companionship or don't get married at all. Of course different cultures are going to have different variations on this.

The reality is, 2/3 of the worlds population, believes your religious beliefs are wrong.

 

[bhsmte]

We are to do our best to always do the will of God and to serve God. We make a mess out of our lives when we do things our way and not God's way. Even I see a lot of people die early when they are living a life in rebellion against God and His will and His way for them. God encourages us to live a long life and to be healthy. Everyone should make the choice to follow God and His will and His plan for them and their life. He gives us that choice to make.

Didnt answer my question. Do you believe, my life can not have purpose or meaning, if i dont believe in your god? Yes or no?

 

[bhsmte]

We are to have the mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. The Bible teaches that: "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God". To be spiritually minded is life and liberty. To be carnally minded is bondage and death.

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