Common Core promoting Islam!!!!

Am I the only one who thinks that since Common Core only covers English/Language Arts and math, the notion that a World History Book is Common Core's attempt to indoctrinate people to Islam is just a wee bit fishy, to say the least?

GarfieldJL said:

The book didn't materialize out of thin air... So much for your "empty accusations" argument.

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And it didn't come from Common Core -- so much for your conspiracy theory.

Are you saying the education system as a whole has a serious bias problem?

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No, you are.

Are you saying that Islam is not a part of world history, and as such, has no business being mentioned in a World History textbook?

GarfieldJL said:

So you're saying Sistrin never posted what I'm quoting below...

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Oh he posted it.

But it doesn't matter.

I'm still demanding proof. Proof as to the OP's assertion.

Not link to link about secondary sources that a Common Core question made recognition about the contributions of Islam among Western society or basic definitions about Islam.

Islamic society has made many important contributions to Western civilization. I'll ignore ridiculous complaints about Wahabism and that Common Core is making overtures to that extremist sect as nonsense.

And anyone who brings up 9/11 in this thread....you're a fool.

edit: Or should the more benign among our members report this thread as nothing more than a bashing against the Islamic faith.

That's what I'm beginning to think.

GarfieldJL said:

You can teach about world history without teaching the 5 pillars of the Muslim faith...

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In my tenth grade world history class in 1994, we definitely learned the 5 pillars.

We also learned the Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path of Buddhism.

Lachrymose said:

In my tenth grade world history class in 1994, we definitely learned the 5 pillars.

We also learned the Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path of Buddhism.

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You poor advanced learned individual.

How dare you learn the culture of other organizations.

Didn't you realize that you were being forced to prostrate yourself numerous times per day towards a religious faith.

How dare you interject some reasoned comment on this topic.

This thread is about imbecilic notions of Americans being forced towards a religion that isn't Christian based.

How dare you interject something reasonable.

Lachrymose said:

In my tenth grade world history class in 1994, we definitely learned the 5 pillars.

We also learned the Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path of Buddhism.

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I learned them in high school too.

GarfieldJL said:

You actually can't argue that, you see regulations can have an impact on more areas than what they supposedly are directly regulating...

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Common core does not promote Islam. Your argument is ridiculous.

I teach my debaters post-structuralism.

Lachrymose said:

In my tenth grade world history class in 1994, we definitely learned the 5 pillars.

We also learned the Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path of Buddhism.

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I learned of Islam, Christianity, and judaism in the 6th grade. We didn't learn about hinduism or buddhism because nobody follows that around here, or at least my teacher knew nobody. Our teacher was friends with a guy from Egypt for Islam, a Rabbi, and we learned what he called "the big 3"[EO, RCC, and Protestant] of Christianity. We talked to a catholic priets, a eastern orthdox priest, and a lutheran.

The friend from Egypt flew in to speak of Islam and explain it. He did it once a year every year.

GarfieldJL said:

You actually can't argue that, you see regulations can have an impact on more areas than what they supposedly are directly regulating...

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I can argue that because, your bookstore experience notwithstanding, I actually work with Common Core and I know exactly what it does and does not mandate.

Do you know what it does and doesn't mandate? Have you actually read it? Or are you letting your sources do the heavy lifting for you?

Now, you can bleat conspiracy theories until the cows come home, but really, all you're doing is making it that much harder to address the legitimate flaws in Common Core, because when people look for its faults, they find rants like these.

Well I can actually give personal examples of a certain University's political science department printing campaign ads for the Obama campaign using university printers...

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Non sequitur. That has nothing to do with Common Core.

Are we just bleating out random conspiracy theories now?

You can teach about world history without teaching the 5 pillars of the Muslim faith...

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I can teach about grammar without teaching the semicolon; why would I want to?

Why are you so upset that history books are actually teaching history?

Lachrymose said:

In my tenth grade world history class in 1994, we definitely learned the 5 pillars.

We also learned the Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path of Buddhism.

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I think we learned it in 7th grade in Social Studies/History class. This was a public school in the mid 90s.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with learning about a religion, especially a major religion that has had an major historical role, even more especially if that religion is a minority. Nobody that I could remember in my entire school was Muslim, so the basic beliefs of Islam wouldn't have been common knowledge, unlike Christianity where it's a bit hard to no know the basics. So you gotta learn it somewhere.

You can't separate history, politics, and cultures from religion. Religion has had and continues to have a great impact on those. So it's necessary for kids to learn the basics of major religions.

trunks2k said:

... You can't separate history, politics, and cultures from religion. Religion has had and continues to have a great impact on those. So it's necessary for kids to learn the basics of major religions.

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From the OP and a few other posts, we can see that is is NOT about leaving the study of major religions out of the curriculum altogether, but that some are included and others are not.

Can't remember so far back as to say that we got too much about world religions, except in humanism class (Humanities - pass or fail - which I failed one segment for refusing to attend some outing.) Even though we discussed these things, I cannot remember much of what was taught, except there was a concerted effort to deny or debunk Christianity.

Avid said:

From the OP and a few other posts, we can see that is is NOT about leaving the study of major religions out of the curriculum altogether, but that some are included and others are not.

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Actually, we don't see that at all, but thank you for playing.

Can't remember so far back as to say that we got too much about world religions, except in humanism class (Humanities - pass or fail - which I failed one segment for refusing to attend some outing.) Even though we discussed these things, I cannot remember much of what was taught, except there was a concerted effort to deny or debunk Christianity.

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Funny how that's all you remember...

Avid said:

From the OP and a few other posts, we can see that is is NOT about leaving the study of major religions out of the curriculum altogether, but that some are included and others are not.

Can't remember so far back as to say that we got too much about world religions, except in humanism class (Humanities - pass or fail - which I failed one segment for refusing to attend some outing.) Even though we discussed these things, I cannot remember much of what was taught, except there was a concerted effort to deny or debunk Christianity.

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Your high school never studied the Holy Roman Empire, the Byzantine Empire, the Crusades, the Middle Ages, or the Renaissance? You never discussed how the invention of the printing press was related to the protestant reformation as the Bible became accessible to the commoners, allowing each person to read and interpret it for themselves? Never discussed the Troubles in Northern Ireland?

Christianity and the church played big roles in these parts of history.

If your school didn't teach you about these things while mine did, do you find that leaves you at a disadvantage because you didn't have as good of an education? Perhaps there ought to be some sort of list of standards that all schools must meet in the course of educating the students?

I took a humanities elective in high school and we studied the major religions as well as literature. We took a field trip to a basilica and synagogue. We were going to go to a mosque that day as well, but we were asked to keep our distance for our own safety. I took this class in the Fall of 2001, and the field trip was shortly after 9/11. There were some very upset protesters at the mosque that didn't really care that the worshipers there had nothing to do with the terror attack nor that the worshipers were also upset at how their religion was being abused to wage war.

I studied the Five Pillars of Islam, the Eightfold path of Buddhism, as well as the similarities and differences between Christianity and Judaism in school as well...

As our educational experiences all predate Common Core, it would only seem to confirm that Common Core has nothing whatsoever to do with pushing a religious agenda.

morningstar2651 said:

I took a humanities elective in high school and we studied the major religions as well as literature. We took a field trip to a basilica and synagogue. We were going to go to a mosque that day as well, but we were asked to keep our distance for our own safety. I took this class in the Fall of 2001, and the field trip was shortly after 9/11. There were some very upset protesters at the mosque that didn't really care that the worshipers there had nothing to do with the terror attack nor that the worshipers were also upset at how their religion was being abused to wage war.

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I'm sorry that ignorance and hate interfered with your education, even if just a little. Many mosques are actually quite beautiful and serene places.

I see that there are many others who have had much worse experiences -- and worse, would seek to inflict it on future generations.

morningstar2651 said:

Common core does not promote Islam.

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Why are you spamming the thread?

morningstar2651 said:

There is no secret conspiracy to convert the children of Farmville into socialist Muslims.

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No one here attempting to discuss this rationally has made the claim of conspiracy, which you keep doing in the tired attempt to make everyone sound crazy by evoking the conspiracy theory boogie-man. As I have said at least twice here before, the issue is elements of Islam such as the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, and the INSA are supporting Common Core. Given your natural curiosity I would think you would naturally ask why. But political correctness makes cowards of many, and many are far too afraid of being called some PC related name rather than invest any thought into an issue and ask a simple question. Note this last comment is not directed at you personally, it is a general comment directed at America at large.

The answer as to why such radical Islamic groups are so supportive of Common Core is simple. They know American liberal/progressives are on their side, whether willingly or through ignorance doesn't matter. They can get their very clearly spelled out and publicly articulated agenda inserted into Common Core because American liberal/progressives will either welcome it with open arms or refuse to oppose it out of fear.

This does not require a conspiracy, it only requires American liberals and progressives to be who they are. Enough evidence has been offered here to show groups such as CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood are pursuing their agenda and successfully inserting various aspects of it into Common Core, and thus before American students.

Thanks to the overriding mentality of those crafting Common Core, groups such as CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood and the INSA can rest assured the truth concerning radical Islam will never be presented to American students, that radical Islam is promoting their religion one murder at a time.

morningstar2651 said:

Here we have it folks! The grand conspiracy between the Department of Education, the Council on American–Islamic Relations, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Intelligence & National Security Alliance to covertly convert the children of Farmville, NC to Islam by setting standards for K-12 education.

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CAIR etc. all know who they are dealing with. No conspiracy is required, other than for the American left to be the American left.

morningstar2651 said:

I'd like to applaud Sistrin for being such an astute...

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"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it."~George Orwell

morningstar2651 said:

We mustn't allow our children to receive educations on par with those of other first-world countries! If we do, then the Muslims win!

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Are you seriously going to claim the American public education system turns out students on par with those of other first-world countries?

morningstar2651 said:

In all seriousness - if you aren't an expert on...

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The appeal to authority.

morningstar2651 said:

Common core does not promote Islam.

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Elements of Islam promote Common Core, thus making the premise of this thread valid by default.

gnomon said:

There are those...attempting to do nothing more than paint Muslims in a negative light based upon ridiculous assertions.

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No one here has made any claim concerning all Muslims. However within context of radical Islam, various Muslims have made their goal clear:

"Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan [America] is absolute. . . . Regardless of how the world has changed after 11 September, 'Death to America' will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan: 'Death to America.'"

Hassan Nasrallah - Leader of Hezbollah

"America is the reason for all oppression, injustice, licentiousness, or suppression that is the Muslims' lot. . . . We have the right to kill 4 million Americans -- 2 million of them children -- and to exile twice as many and wound and cripple hundreds of thousands. Furthermore, it is our right to fight them with chemical and biological weapons. . . . America is kept at bay by blood alone."

Suleiman Abu Gheithv - al Qaeda spokesman.

While some scholars are not afraid to speak to those stated goals:

“The idea is simple: Islam must have power in this world. It is the true religion—the religion of God—and its truth is manifest in its power. When Muslims believed, they were powerful. Their power has been lost in modern times because Islam has been abandoned by many Muslims, who have reverted to the condition that preceded God’s revelation to the Prophet Muhammad. But if Muslims now return to the original Islam, they can preserve and even restore their power. That return, to be effective, must be comprehensive; Islam provides the one and only solution to all questions in this world, from public policy to private conduct. It is not merely a religion, in the Western sense of a system of belief in God. It possesses an immutable law, revealed by God, that deals with every aspect of life, and it is an ideology, a complete system of belief about the organization of the state and the world. This law and ideology can only be implemented through the establishment of a truly Islamic state, under the sovereignty of God. The empowerment of Islam, which is God’s plan for mankind, is a sacred end.”

Martin Kramer - President of Shalem College, Jerusalem.

gnomon said:

Never mind many of us have asked for concrete examples those bleeting the OP have failed to deliver.

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The incident listed in the OP isn't the only one to have been reported on:

Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too

A second parent has now come forward acknowledging their child received a Nation of Islam “handout” in a third grade class at Harold McCormick Elementary School in Elizabethton, Tennessee – contradicting claims by the school district that the document was not distributed in the classroom.



Source: Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too | Fox News

This has also been reported on by Townhall:

Second Parent: My Child Got Nation of Islam Paper, Too - Todd Starnes - Page 1

Michigan Teacher Ask Class To Create Islamic Propaganda For Third Grade Class

A Michigan teacher asked students to create Islamic propaganda for a school project. Jenison High School officials are now under fire for promoting Islam and spreading misinformation. Jeannette Hall said her daughter Brianna completed the project. However she is outraged about the unusual assignment.

Source: Michigan Teacher Asks Class To Create Islamic Propaganda For Third Grade Class

TLK Valentine said:

So's law -- what we're saying is that what Sistrin posted is based on empty accusations, half-truths, ignorance of the educational system, paranoid assumptions, and the occasional flat-out lie.

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I posted a list of all the sources I used. For the second time I ask you to back up this claim. Cite for us which of those sources were guilty of the accusations you make in any regard. Baring that refute the information given. To date you have only offered your opinion.

Sistrin said:

... "The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it."~George Orwell...

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Excellent quote, which brings the following quote to mind.

Avid said:

Excellent quote, which brings the following quote to mind.

If you tell a lie big enough, and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension,the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
Joseph Goebbels (1897-1945)
NAZI Propaganda Minister
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This thread title being a perfect example...