Combating Inclusive/Progressive Christianity

[redleghunter]

From a Methodist source:

To use an example: Sola Scriptura is essentially the biblical practice of exegesis (to draw out of the text). Exegesis is the practice of interpreting a text to find out what the Spirit was originally saying through the author of a particular passage or book. In contrast, prima scriptura is similar to the practice of eisegesis (reading into the text). Eisegesis is the process where a person interprets a passage based on a preconceived idea or belief. To put it another way, we should read our lives through the lens of the scripture, and we should not read scripture through the lens of our traditions, reason, or experiences. Why? Because we are fallen human being with a corrupted human nature. Rather, we should sit under the authority of God’s Word written down in his Holy Scriptures.

The Wesleyan Quadrilateral and Sola Scriptura

 

[jimmyjimmy]

My loyalty doesn't lie with the scriptures or with creeds, but with the *person* of Christ Jesus.

If your ideas can't stand scrutiny, why post them publicly? More importantly, why hold them?

I've asked twice already: Who is Jesus, and why are you loyal to him?

 

[ViaCrucis]

That isn't a creed invented by man.

How do you make a distinction between a "creed invented by men" and "a creed not invented by men"? Is it the substance of what is being said, is it whether or not the exact words themselves are a direct quotation from the biblical texts?

Which, I think, raises a further question: Is something biblical only when it is explicitly and verbatim mentioned in Scripture; in other words can an idea be biblical even though the words we might use to talk about that idea might not themselves have been used by the biblical writers?

Because if the substance of what is being said and the idea(s) being articulated are, indeed, biblical and in keeping with what we have received from the beginning--then what exactly is the problem?

Is the problem the mere use of a creed? That certainly can't be the case since the biblical texts themselves are replete with creeds and creedal statements. So it can't be mere statement of belief that you are taking issue with.

However, if your issue with the creeds are, in fact, their substance--well that's a much more serious problem.

At this juncture I honestly don't know why you are opposed to the historic Creeds beyond the statement that they aren't Scripture--which isn't an argument, it's just a statement. The things you've written on this thread aren't Scripture either, but not being Scripture isn't sufficient for rejecting something.

So I think it would be pertinent that you actually spell out exactly what it is your position is.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[bekkilyn]

If your ideas can't stand scrutiny, why post them publicly? More importantly, why hold them?

I've asked twice already: Who is Jesus, and why are you loyal to him?

To be frank, I don't trust you are asking these questions in good faith to merit a serious reply. However, if you sincerely wish to know who Jesus is and why he might inspire loyalty, you might consider a new thread dedicated to that topic.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

To be frank, I don't trust you are asking these questions in good faith to merit a serious reply. However, if you sincerely wish to know who Jesus is and why he might inspire loyalty, you might consider a new thread dedicated to that topic.

Afraid of a rabbit?!

You don't need to trust me in order to answer the question — unless you fear your own position is untenable.

My questions are directed at you, and only you, in reply to something you posted.

 

[jahel]

Matthew said of Judas, "Then he threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed, and went and hanged himself" (Matthew 27:5). Per Luke, Jesus says, "Go and do likewise" (Luke 10:37). Therefore, we conclude that Jesus wants us all to go hang ourselves.

The creeds help prevent this sort of fallacy.

Imo you all are doing likewise but the way this thread is headed into persecution of one that can only be satisfactorily end with someone doing as Judas did. Makes me wonder who’s who in this scenario. I think you all are to blame. By the way, that answer could have taken more thought Becky but what has been made of it is ridicules

 

[bekkilyn]

Imo you all are doing likewise but the way this thread is headed into persecution of one that can only be satisfactorily end with someone doing as Judas did. Makes me wonder who’s who in this scenario. I think you all are to blame. By the way, that answer could have taken more thought Becky but what has been made of it is ridicules

I agree it is very ridiculous, but what I was demonstrating is the many ridiculous and heretical claims (most supposedly based on scripture) that the traditional Creed's were necessary to address. Without the Creed's, there would be no standard statements of faith for Christianity since everyone interprets scripture differently.

 

[tampasteve]

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