Colossal failure in protecting a former President

[iluvatar5150]

And Biden and his cronies say they still have full faith and confidence in them after this kind of failure.

Of course they're going to say that in public. Better leaders typically don't castigate their subordinates in public before relevant investigations are complete.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Source stating the snipers knew Crooks was armed?

"The Secret Service counter-sniper who killed the gunman, 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, had him in his sights and was trying to assess whether he had a weapon and was a threat, the official said. Secret Service radio traffic had relayed that local police either spotted or were trying to find a suspicious man around that building. The counter-sniper was a veteran marksman who is considered a legend in the Secret Service because of his high ratings for accuracy at long distances."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/16/trump-rally-shooter-building-police-snipers/

I'd been wondering about that. It's one thing to know a guy is acting weird; it's another thing to identify him as an active threat. It sucks that the Secret Service guy couldn't see the gun until after he'd got a few rounds off.

 

[wing2000]

I'd been wondering about that. It's one thing to know a guy is acting weird; it's another thing to identify him as an active threat. It sucks that the Secret Service guy couldn't see the gun until after he'd got a few rounds off.

Yea it would. A veteran sniper would most certainly have engaged as soon as he saw a weapon....as noted in the following paragraph:

"The counter-sniper who killed Crooks fired as soon as he saw Crooks lift a weapon, the official said. That counter-sniper killed Crooks in one shot, but seconds after he had fired at Trump, the official said."

 

[rjs330]

Of course they're going to say that in public. Better leaders typically don't castigate their subordinates in public before relevant investigations are complete.

Uet they've fired no one. So obviously their actions prove their words.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Uet they've fired no one.

It happened three days ago. There's plenty of time to investigate and fire people.

 

[Truth7t7]

Source stating the snipers knew Crooks was armed?

"The Secret Service counter-sniper who killed the gunman, 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, had him in his sights and was trying to assess whether he had a weapon and was a threat, the official said. Secret Service radio traffic had relayed that local police either spotted or were trying to find a suspicious man around that building. The counter-sniper was a veteran marksman who is considered a legend in the Secret Service because of his high ratings for accuracy at long distances."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/07/16/trump-rally-shooter-building-police-snipers/

It sounds like a Washington Post Spin

There are multiple clips showing the shooter laying on his side assembling his weapon, then moving forward to the crest of the roof, his gun was over the crest of the roof for a good 15 seconds before shots were fired, he even brought a hand held range finder through the security gate that brought questions

Couple that with the fact the SS snipers were on a building some 5 feet higher, with one SS sniper on a tri pod standing that gave him yet another 4-5 feet above the gunman

Many reports state the SS snipers were zeroed in on the shooter for 1 full minute, my observations witnessed at least 20 seconds with their eye on their scopes

IMHO the SS snipers allowed the gunman to shoot, just as the "Many" professional experienced snipers around the world have stated, the SS snipers could have avoided innocent lives from being killed if they neutralized the threat, "They Didn't"!

Add to that the recent excuse given by the SS director Kimberly Cheatle, as she stated SS wasn't on the gunman's roof guarding a hot spot because it was sloped and a safety hazard at a mild 5% pitch, while the SS snipers were on a higher roof and a pitch of 10% without fall protection

The Name Game Blame, MSM Spin The Truth And Deflect

The Main Stream Media is now trying to claim and spin its was a Iranian attempt, OH Sure!

 

[BPPLEE]

It sounds like a Washington Post Spin

There are multiple clips showing the shooter laying on his side assembling his weapon, then moving forward to the crest of the roof, his gun was over the crest of the roof for a good 15 seconds before shots were fired, he even brought a hand held range finder through the security gate that brought questions

Couple that with the fact the SS snipers were on a building some 5 feet higher, with one SS sniper on a tri pod standing that gave him yet another 4-5 feet above the gunman

Many reports state the SS snipers were zeroed in on the shooter for 1 full minute, my observations witnessed at least 20 seconds with their eye on their scopes

IMHO the SS snipers allowed the gunman to shoot, just as the "Many" professional experienced snipers around the world have stated, the SS snipers could have avoided innocent lives from being killed if they neutralized the threat, "They Didn't"!

Add to that the recent excuse given by the SS director Kimberly Cheatle, as she stated SS wasn't on the gunman's roof guarding a hot spot because it was sloped and a safety hazard at a mild 5% pitch, while the SS snipers were on a higher roof and a pitch of 10% without fall protection

The Name Game Blame, MSM Spin The Truth And Deflect

The Main Stream Media is now trying to claim and spin its was an Iranian attempt, OH Sure!

Only luck or divine intervention saved Trump. The Secret Service sure didn’t.

 

[wing2000]

It sounds like a Washington Post Spin

And. your source was?

There are multiple clips showing the shooter laying on his side assembling his weapon, then moving forward to the crest of the roof, his gun was over the crest of the roof for a good 15 seconds before shots were fired, he even brought a hand held range finder through the security gate that brought questions

....so, 15 seconds vs...what were you claiming again?

Couple that with the fact the SS snipers were on a building some 5 feet higher, with one SS sniper on a tri pod standing that gave him yet another 4-5 feet above the gunman

Speculation.

Many reports state the SS snipers were zeroed in on the shooter for 1 full minute, my observations witnessed at least 20 seconds with their eye on their scopes

Your observation? You were there?

IMHO the SS snipers allowed the gunman to shoot, just as the "Many" professional experienced snipers around the world have stated, the SS snipers could have avoided innocent lives from being killed if they neutralized the threat, "They Didn't"!

Many of these arm chair quarterbacks were not there....

Add to that the recent excuse given by the SS director Kimberly Cheatle, as she stated SS wasn't on the gunman's roof guarding a hot spot because it was sloped and a safety hazard at a mild 5% pitch, while the SS snipers were on a higher roof and a pitch of 10% without fall protection

I agree, that was a stupid statement.

The Name Game Blame, MSM Spin The Truth And Deflect

The SS Director also stated the buck stops with her.

The Main Stream Media is now trying to claim and spin its was a Iranian attempt, OH Sure!

Your opininon is based on speculation.

 

[BPPLEE]

And. your source was?



....so, 15 seconds vs...what were you claiming again?

Speculation.


Your observation? You were there?

Many of these arm chair quarterbacks were not there....


I agree, that was a stupid statement.


The SS Director also stated the buck stops with her.




Your opininon is based on speculation.

The SS director stated the buck stops with her but she also stated that she is not stepping down.

 

[wing2000]

The SS director stated the buck stops with her but she also stated that she is not stepping down.

Those are not contradictory statements.
As for removing her, one has to determine the appropriate time for removing the pilot from an airplane that is still very much in flight.

 

[BPPLEE]

Those are not contradictory statements.
As for removing her, one has to determine the appropriate time for removing the pilot from an airplane that is still very much in flight.

The Biden administration is not going to remove her.

 

[rjs330]

It happened three days ago. There's plenty of time to investigate and fire people.

Let me know when it happens. I don't think it will.

 

[rjs330]

We've gotten more information about this.

• 5:52 p.m. Crooks was spotted on the roof by Secret Service
• 6:02 p.m. Trump takes the stage
• 6:12 p.m. Crooks fires first shots

They had 20 minutes to do something and didn't respond until Crooks fired rhe shots.

Yes there were officers in the building, but there was no one on the roof. That's a total failure of planning which was the perview of the SS.

And quite frankly LE dropped the ball too. They had snipers inside the building and no one on the roof. Why not? There had been a number of reports on this kid being suspicious. One contact with LE may have made the difference. People were reporting him.

This was a colossal failure. And not worthy of the DHS secretary nor the president or anyone else in his administration saying they had full confidence in rhe SS. The SS knows this was a failure, so being honest with something like

"Well I don't want to say too much at this time because we are investigating this thoroughly and we will discover where the mistakes were made. And we will address those mistakes to make sure they never happen again."

Do you have confidence in the director and the secret service.

"I have confidence that a thorough investigation will be done and any issues will be addressed. The officers of the secrwt service protect us everyday. And they are all willing to take a bullet for me. They are great people. And this incident is one where there was a breakdown somewhere and we are determined to find out where and create a response so it never happe s again."

 

[Canuckster]

Butler Township commissioner said that the Butler Township police department (BTPD) had no security detail for the event and only had seven officers assigned to traffic detail. In other words, the SS is not being truthful if they say security was also the responsibility of the local police dept.

Butler, Pa. township commissioner: Our local police duties were strictly about traffic | Fox News Video

Butler, Pa. township commissioner Edward Natali discusses police duties the day of the Trump rally shooting on 'The Story.'

www.foxnews.com

 

[Canuckster]

Butler Township commissioner said that the Butler Township police department (BTPD) had no security detail for the event and only had seven officers assigned to traffic detail. In other words, the SS is not being truthful if they say security was also the responsibility of the local police dept.

Butler, Pa. township commissioner: Our local police duties were strictly about traffic | Fox News Video

Butler, Pa. township commissioner Edward Natali discusses police duties the day of the Trump rally shooting on 'The Story.'

www.foxnews.com

The commissioner also posted this on X

x.com

x.com

 

[wing2000]

Butler Township commissioner said that the Butler Township police department (BTPD) had no security detail for the event and only had seven officers assigned to traffic detail. In other words, the SS is not being truthful if they say security was also the responsibility of the local police dept.

Butler, Pa. township commissioner: Our local police duties were strictly about traffic | Fox News Video

Butler, Pa. township commissioner Edward Natali discusses police duties the day of the Trump rally shooting on 'The Story.'

www.foxnews.com

...so those Butler County SWAT tactical teams members - whom we all saw - were not there?
Hint: Local police involves more than the Butler Township Police.

 

[wing2000]

Good summation based on information gathered to date, including the movements of the reaction Secret Service Counter Assault teams....

Video: How Trump’s Security Failed to Stop an Assassination Attempt

Videos, audio and photographs of the attempted assassination of former President Donald J. Trump at an election rally shows how a clear threat emerged minutes before the shooting, and how law enforcement failed to protect Mr. Trump.

www.nytimes.com

 

[rjs330]

...so those Butler County SWAT tactical teams members - whom we all saw - were not there?
Hint: Local police involves more than the Butler Township Police.

Not sure what your point is here. The commissioner wasn't talking about the County, but the City officers. His department is probably taking a lot of heat and he's trying to let people know how department wasn't assigned to security and it wasn't their failure. A lot of people don't understand the difference between departments.

Your response here sounded like you were either challenging the commissioners statement or challenging the poster. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you are doing. Just trying to clarify.

 

[wing2000]

Not sure what your point is here. The commissioner wasn't talking about the County, but the City officers. His department is probably taking a lot of heat and he's trying to let people know how department wasn't assigned to security and it wasn't their failure. A lot of people don't understand the difference between departments.

Your response here sounded like you were either challenging the commissioners statement or challenging the poster. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you are doing. Just trying to clarify.

I was responding to this statement:

In other words, the SS is not being truthful if they say security was also the responsibility of the local police dept.

 

[rjs330]

I was responding to this statement:

In other words, the SS is not being truthful if they say security was also the responsibility of the local police dept.

Well he's right. It wasn't rhe responsibility of the local police department. They were responsible for traffic. It sounds like the County Sherrifs Dept. had some security responsibilities.

I'd have to go find exactly what the SS said. Maybe he's incorrect as to what they said. I honestly don't know with out trying to find it. But if they did say that, they were incorrect.