Colonization of Moon Titan: Pros and Cons

[timewerx]

Makes me wonder......

who would be adventurous enough and defying-death enough to colonize it?

Have you heard of the "Mars One" program which is a very long term habitation of Mars, one way (no return trip!!) to Mars some time beyond the year 2020?

The program opened the selection to the public and I think in just the first day, over a million sent their applications!! :o

 

[brinny]

Have you heard of the "Mars One" program which is a very long term habitation of Mars, one way (no return trip!!) to Mars some time beyond the year 2020?

The program opened the selection to the public and I think in just the first day, over a million sent their applications!!

A ONE WAY trip??!!!

What if they didn't like it once they got there?

 

[timewerx]

A ONE WAY trip??!!!

What if they didn't like it once they got there?

That is going to be quite interesting.

That is why the program would still have to conduct exhaustive psychological profiling and testing of their candidates.

After all, they might taking people with very high qualifications at the top of their careers, what could go wrong?

It's not an absolutely one-way trip however. The team's return to Earth depends entirely on the success of more advanced space propulsion technologies that could safely make the return trip to Earth.

If we have a propulsion break through 10 years after spending time in Mars, they can be picked up and sent home some time after that.

 

[brinny]

That is going to be quite interesting.

That is why the program would still have to conduct exhaustive psychological profiling and testing of their candidates.

After all, they might taking people with very high qualifications at the top of their careers, what could go wrong?

It's not an absolutely one-way trip however. The team's return to Earth depends entirely on the success of more advanced space propulsion technologies that could safely make the return trip to Earth.

If we have a propulsion break through 10 years after spending time in Mars, they can be picked up and sent home some time after that.

All that uncertainty.

They better be psychologically prepared to be there fer-ever, just in case.....

They are essentially saying goodbye to family, home, country, and earth.

 

[timewerx]

All that uncertainty.

They better be psychologically prepared to be there fer-ever, just in case.....

They are essentially saying goodbye to family, home, country, and earth.

That's the plan I think.

I was tempted to submit an application then but I figured out, they will only pick top caliber professionals. You know, those at the top of their field in medicine, science, and engineering.

That they are giving the opportunity to everyone is a big joke. They are simply going to expand their selection sample but still going to select the best and the brightest one in a billion, nothing's changed.

 

[brinny]

That's the plan I think.

I was tempted to submit an application then but I figured out, they will only pick top caliber professionals. You know, those at the top of their field in medicine, science, and engineering.

That they are giving the opportunity to everyone is a big joke. They are simply going to expand their selection sample but still going to select the best and the brightest one in a billion, nothing's changed.

Would you really wanna run the chance of being stuck there forever?

 

[timewerx]

Would you really wanna run the chance of being stuck there forever?

My curiosity makes me blind to such horrific outcome

 

[Loudmouth]

I am all for exploration, but I have never understood the need to colonize completely hostile planets just for the sake of colonization. These planets are more hostile to life than Earth would be after a massive meteor strike. Colonies on ocean beds would be protected from a nuclear war and would be easier to set up than colonies on any other celestial body.

 

[Radrook]

Makes me wonder......

who would be adventurous enough and defying-death enough to colonize it?

Now we suddenly have the additional problem of space blindness!



Space Bli(Nd)ness

 

[Radrook]

My curiosity makes me blind to such horrific outcome

It might indeed turn out to be a literal blindness!
Space Bli(Nd)ness

 

[brinny]

Now we suddenly have the additional problem of space blindness!



Space Bli(Nd)ness

That's horrible.

 

[Radrook]

That's horrible.

The problem was noticed by the Astronauts from the outset but they were afraid of getting grounded if they reported it so they didn't. Now it's finally coming to light and we have to start figuring out how to nullify it from scratch.

 

[brinny]

The problem was noticed by the Astronauts from the outset but they were afraid of getting grounded if they reported it so they didn't. Now it's finally coming to light and we have to start figuring out how to nullify it from scratch.

What would happen if there was a colonization on the Moon Titus (with the no return trip) and this happened?

 

[Radrook]

What would happen if there was a colonization on the Moon Titus (with the no return trip) and this happened?

The effects seem to be due to a microgravity gravity environment in low Earth orbit and in trips to the moon.

BTW


180 pounds on Earth would be:



Titan 24.7706

Moon 29.8

Mercury 68

Mars 67,8

Venus 163.2

Pluto 12

Io 33

Callisto 22.75

Europa 24.04

Ganymede 26.06

Titan 24.7706

Your Weight on Other Worlds | Exploratorium

So Titan has a little less gravity than our moon does.

 

[brinny]

The effects seem to be due to a microgravity gravity environment in low Earth orbit and in trips to the moon.

BTW


180 pounds on Earth would be:



Titan 24.7706

Moon 29.8

Mercury 68

Mars 67,8

Venus 163.2

Pluto 12

Io 33

Callisto 22.75

Europa 24.04

Ganymede 26.06

Titan 24.7706

So Titan has a little less gravity than our moon does.

Interesting.

Thanks for the video and the info.

 

[timewerx]

It might indeed turn out to be a literal blindness!
Space Bli(Nd)ness

Apparently, it is caused by weightlessness or very low gravity.

A rotating habitat ring in spacecraft on long duration missions might solve the problem.

 

[Radrook]

Apparently, it is caused by weightlessness or very low gravity.

A rotating habitat ring in spacecraft on long duration missions might solve the problem.

If extremely low gravity such as that found on the moon and Mars are also involved in this insidious blindness then how would we solve that? I mean, just look at how low the gravity on those Jovian moons are! Mercury of course is approx. double their gravity. So if I weigh 180 pounds then I would weigh 68 pounds there. But is that enough? The only planet that seems to offer acceptable gravity is Venus where I would weigh 163 pounds. But that surface is off limits.

Your Weight on Other Worlds | Exploratorium

BTW
On Pluto I would weigh a grand total of 12 pounds!

 

[timewerx]

If extremely low gravity such as that found on the moon and Mars are also involved in this insidious blindness then how would we solve that? I mean, just look at how low the gravity on those Jovian moons are! Mercury of course is approx. double their gravity. So if I weigh 180 pounds then I would weigh 68 pounds there. But is that enough? The only planet that seems to offer acceptable gravity is Venus where I would weigh 163 pounds. But that surface is off limits.

Your Weight on Other Worlds | Exploratorium

BTW
On Pluto I would weigh a grand total of 12 pounds!

A warp drive if successful could provide artificial gravity as well. The same technology can be turned into pads that can be installed into buildings to either increase or decrease the natural force of gravity.

I'm also developing a cooling technology that would allow us or robots to survive indefinitely in the extremely hot surface of Venus. The advanced cooling system uses quantum principles instead of the popular but highly inefficient thermodynamic heat transfer. The cooling system will not only bring reliable and efficient cooling to the colonists and equipment but will also be directly utilized for the terraforming process. Obviously, it will also be incredibly useful here on Earth.

Venus is actually the best 2nd home within the Solar System for a number of reasons --- if we can successfully terraform it. It may even be better than Earth in some respects.

 

[Radrook]

A warp drive if successful could provide artificial gravity as well. The same technology can be turned into pads that can be installed into buildings to either increase or decrease the natural force of gravity.

I'm also developing a cooling technology that would allow us or robots to survive indefinitely in the extremely hot surface of Venus. The advanced cooling system uses quantum principles instead of the popular but highly inefficient thermodynamic heat transfer. The cooling system will not only bring reliable and efficient cooling to the colonists and equipment but will also be directly utilized for the terraforming process. Obviously, it will also be incredibly useful here on Earth.

Venus is actually the best 2nd home within the Solar System for a number of reasons --- if we can successfully terraform it. It may even be better than Earth in some respects.

I have a few questions.
What do you mean by using a cooling system using quantum principles?
In what respects would Venus be better than Earth if Terraformed?
What method would we use to terraform it?
Yes, I a familiar with the various methods that have been proposed but which one is the most feasible?

Terraforming of Venus - Wikipedia

BTW
When we think about terraforming such places as Titan, IO, or Mars we tend to worry about disturbing some preexisting alien ecosystem. I have never read about these terraforming concerns in relation to Venus.

 

[timewerx]

I have a few questions.
What do you mean by using a cooling system using quantum principles?

I can't reveal the exact mechanism yet. But basically, cooling is achieved at the molecular level at extremely rapid pace. Not the same as laser or electromagnetic cooling since the energy requirement is a lot less even if compared to commercial heat-transfer cooling systems.

In what respects would Venus be better than Earth if Terraformed?

The very thick atmosphere offers superior protection to most threats coming from space including cosmic radiation and large meteors (smaller than 100 meters diameter)

What method would we use to terraform it?
Yes, I a familiar with the various methods that have been proposed but which one is the most feasible?

The popular and practical methods use bioengineered airborned organisms at the upper atmosphere where it is cold enough for these organism and even humans to survive comfortably.

However, the problem I see with this method, is that oxygen is lighter than carbon dioxide. Converted Oxygen will not sink to the planet but float up. It won't just reduce the efficiency of the conversion process but some of the oxygen produced that is floating would be blown away by the Solar Wind which greatly diminish the efficiency.

A method I would use is provide the conversion process at the surface using photosynthetic biomatter. No one seemed to have thought of it before due to the cooling challenge. But if you have cooling solution, you can use fully automated/robotic processing plants that can expand processing plants themselves using materials directly available in Venus. This way, the oxygen could mix with CO2 upon release, and it would be much harder for oxygen to reach the upper atmosphere.

It would still take many years, even decades by the time the robots made Venus livable enough at the surface.

BTW
When we think about terraforming such places as Titan, IO, or Mars we tend to worry about disturbing some preexisting alien ecosystem. I have never read about these terraforming concerns in relation to Venus.

The prospect of life at Venus' surface is next to impossible. The prospect of airborne life in the upper atmosphere is more likely due to Earth-like temperature but with only trace amounts of water (even water vapor), that too is unlikely.