Col 2:16 is about not judging others

[SabbathBlessings]

You use many random verses and thoughts, so its hard to grasp your main points.

So far, I guess you are saying:
1. We must have Christ living in us and live according to Him
2. He did not sin and was born under the law as a Jew
3. He freed us from sin (but I do not know what is your interpretation of this)
4. Even before the Mosaic Law, breaking basic moral principles like monotheism or not murdering were sins (not sure where you got the idea of exactly the 10 commandments being given before, from)
5. The Mosaic Law was not concentrated around the 10 commandments and that it was only about animal and ceremonial laws? Half of the books of Moses are about laws that are neither ceremonial nor about animals, so I am not sure what you are saying, here.

Only the 4 and 5 seem to be somehow related to my points, but I really do not understand what you are trying to say by them. That the Mosaic Law was the covenant of slavery Paul talks about, but Sabbath is not the part of it? I guess? ... then you talk about the law of flesh, commandments of God, sanctification, faith of Jesus, salvation, some single sentences from Romans, really one big ball of everything.

I am sorry, I do not know what to do with your response. Can you summarize your main points into few sentences? And possibly without verses inserted into it.

The beauty about the Word of God is it runs deep and wide with lots of layers and dimensions. If you want to just take one scripture at a time I would be up for that. Post the scripture (please include the reference) and let me know your interpretation and we can go from there.

 

[HIM]

Yes, Berean Study Bible.

Its not a paraphrase, its in the middle between literal and dynamic translations, therefore good for longer readings, when you do not want to get stuck in every sentence and fall into various individual misunderstandings, because the literal translation of the Greek structure and wording is not natural for English readers. Or when you want to get the context instead of arguing over a word.

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It does not matter what they say . It paraphrases a lot in the example that was posted.

 

[trophy33]

It does not matter what they say . It paraphrases a lot in the example that was posted.

You are free to use any translation or any Greek version you like more. I do not know what you want me to say.

 

[trophy33]

The beauty about the Word of God is it runs deep and wide with lots of layers and dimensions. If you want to just take one scripture at a time I would be up for that. Post the scripture (please include the reference) and let me know your interpretation and we can go from there.

You can start by giving me your short, simple understanding of the letter to Galatians, in few, summarizing points. Without citations.

My summary:
1. Abraham was promised that Gentiles are justified by faith, through his son.
2. The Law was added only as a temporary tool for physical Israel to prepare them for the coming and till the coming of the son of Abraham - Jesus Christ.
3. After Christ came, Jews are no longer under the Law (the purpose of the Law was fulfilled) and Gentiles can share in the promise to Abraham and leave their paganism.

The theme of the letter is that Christians are not called to be under the Law, but are called to the promise of Abraham that is older and much better than the Law.

Something similar from you, to clarify your position, is needed.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You can start by giving me your short, simple understanding of the letter to Galatians, in few, summarizing points. Without citations.

My summary:
1. Abraham was promised that Gentiles are justified by faith, through his son.

Sure, I am happy to share but first let me clarify your answers so I better understand your perspective.

How are Jews justified? Is it your assertion they are justified differently by God? Is justification everything needed for salvation in your opinion?

2. The Law was added only as a temporary tool for physical Israel to prepare them for the coming and till the coming of the son of Abraham - Jesus Christ.

What law? There are lots of different laws that serve different purposes.

3. After Christ came, Jews are no longer under the Law (the purpose of the Law was fulfilled) and Gentiles can share in the promise to Abraham and leave their paganism.

Again, which law is no one "under" and free to violate

The theme of the letter is that Christians are not called to be under the Law, but are called to the promise of Abraham that is older and much better than the Law.

Same question as above and if no one is under the law than why does Jesus say at His Second Coming depart from me those who practice lawlessness (without law) Matthew 7:21-23 and showing the saints (saved) who keep the commandments of God Revelation 14:12 entering into the gates of heaven Revelation 22:14 but those without law as Jesus stated being left outside Revelation 22:15 How do you reconcile these scriptures is if there is no law that anyone needs to keep. Did Abraham keep God's law? Can we be part of the promise, but not do the things Abraham did to show faith?

Something similar from you, to clarify your position, is needed.

Sure after you answer these questions, so I understand your perspective better. I think citations are critical otherwise it becomes our words and not God's. Without scripture, its too easy to twist our ideas into God's Word and sadly many people think that is the same as God's Word, but its not.

 

[trophy33]

How are Jews justified?

After Christ, like Gentiles - by faith in Christ.

What law?

The Law given to Jews on Mt. Sinai.

I think citations are critical otherwise it becomes our words and not God's. Without scripture, its too easy to twist our ideas into God's Word and sadly many people think that is the same as God's Word, but its not.

Single verses are not God's word. They are just bunch of words put into a sentence. They are God's word only in their proper context, in their proper meaning.

You should be able to give your gist of Christianity, theology and of the Bible without a need to have a computer list of coordinates with you to quote hundred of them. Imagine somebody asking you on the street what you personally believe in.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

After Christ, like Gentiles - by faith in Christ.

What is faith according to scripture? How do the faithful live according to scripture?

The Law given to Jews on Mt. Sinai.

Again which laws?

Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.

Is your assertion, the law of works is the same as the law of God? Can you demonstrate this through scripture. What law was Jesus referring to in Matthew 7:21-23? and Revelation 22:14

Single verses are not God's word.
They are just bunch of words. They are God's word only in their proper context, in their proper meaning.

All scripture is God's Word, but all scripture has reconcile with the rest of God's Word- there are no contradictions in scriptures so if you quote something from one passage, but it contradicts another that is not harmonizing scripture.

 

[trophy33]

What is faith according to scripture? How do the faithful live according to scripture?

Again which laws?

Neh 9:13 “You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.

Is your assertion, the law of works is the same as the law of God? Can you demonstrate this through scripture. What law was Jesus referring to in Matthew 7:21-23? and Revelation 22:14

Its time for you to provide your summary of the letter to Galatians. There is plenty of time for more detailed questions later. Or else this would not have any end.

All scripture is God's Word, but all scripture has reconcile with the rest of God's Word- there are no contradictions in scriptures so if you quote something from one passage, but it contradicts another that is not harmonizing scripture.

Scripture in its entirety - singular - is God's word. Not single sentences taken out of their context.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Its time for you to provide your summary of the letter to Galatians. There is plenty of time for more detailed questions later. Or else this would not have any end.


Scripture in its entirety - singular - is God's word. Not single sentences taken out of their context.

Defining the things you are claiming in your summary through scripture would be important, I will do so in mine so there are no misunderstandings.

 

[trophy33]

Defining the things you are claiming in your summary through scripture would be important, I will do so I’m mine so there are no misunderstandings.

Because I used the same term Paul used, in my summary, there is no actual need to specially define it. You would need to require the definition also from Paul. It can be the topic of the later discussion, but its not something needed now.

Paul said "law", I said "law". Paul referred to Mt. Sinai, so did I.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Because I use the same terms used by Paul, there is no actual need to specially define them. You would need to require the definition also from Paul. It can be the topic of the later discussion, but its not something needed now, I do not use anything foreign to the letter to Galatians.

Paul used a lot of different terms for the law- the law of works, the law of God, the law of sin, the law of faith etc. I am asking you what your definition is for the law you keep using in Galatians. It shouldn’t be a tough question to answer if there was a good understanding of this chapter. Paul references the law several times in the chapter- is it the same law throughout?

 

[trophy33]

Paul used a lot of different terms for the law- the law of works, the law of God, the law of sin, the law of faith etc. I am asking you what YOUR definition is for the law you keep using in Galatians. It shouldn’t be a tough question to answer if there was a good understanding of this chapter. Paul references the law several times in the chapter- is it the same law throughout?

You are running in circles. I already said what law - the Law Paul talks about in the letter to Galatians. Is you summary about what Paul says different than mine?

I do not care, for now, how you define the Law in Galatians, I want you to summarize what Paul is saying about it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are running in circles. I already said what law - the Law Paul talks about in the letter to Galatians. Is you summary about what Paul says different than mine?

I do not care, for now, how you define the Law in Galatians, I want you to summarize what Paul is saying about it.

We are only because it’s a simple question to answer- you keep saying “law” so it is critical point to your summary, but won’t identify the law you are referring to. What law do you think Paul referring to?

 

[trophy33]

We are only because it’s a simple question to answer- you keep saying “law” so it is critical point to your summary, but won’t identify the law you are referring to. What law do you think Paul referring to?

Please, provide already your understanding of the letter to Galatians, in simple and short form.

To illustrate what I want from you, the EU has a document/plan about the electrification of cars. If I ask you to summarize for me what the plan says, I do not want you to define a car for me, but to summarize the EU document.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Please, provide already your understanding of the letter to Galatians, in simple and short form.

To illustrate what I want from you, the EU has a document/plan about the electrification of cars. If I ask you to summarize for me what the plan says, I do not want you to define a car for me, but to summarize the EU document.

I‘m going to assume you are not sure which law Paul is referring to. Fair enough.

I will work on a summary, but it may take some time as I have other obligations and next week I will be out of town, hopefully this Sabbath afternoon I can get to it, otherwise it will be later this week.

 

[trophy33]

I‘m going to assume you are not sure which law Paul is referring to. Fair enough.

Assuming something is just assuming something, nothing to do with fairness.

I will work on a summary, but it may take some time as I have other obligations and next week I will be out of town, hopefully this Sabbath afternoon I can get to it, otherwise it will be later this week.

I hope you realize I want just 3-5 sentences/points, roughly. Nothing more.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Assuming something is just assuming something, nothing to do with fairness.

Well than please just define a critical point to your summary.

I hope you realize I want just 3-5 sentences/points, roughly. Nothing more.

No promises.

 

[trophy33]

Well than please just define a critical point to your summary.

Its not a critical point to my summary, because the summary uses the same word Paul uses. Its the same, nothing mine.

No promises.

Well, if it will be again a bulk of text with dozen of verses from gospels, Romans, Revelation, Old Testament, I say beforehand, that I give up.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Its not a critical point to my summary, because the summary uses the same word Paul uses. Its the same, nothing mine.


Well, if it will be again a bulk of text with dozen of verses from gospels, Romans, Revelation, Old Testament, I say beforehand, that I give up.

Don’t you think understanding Paul would be critical?

 

[trophy33]

Don’t you think understanding Paul would be critical?

Not for a summary of his letter to few main points.