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Coccyx - tale of a creationist disinformation post

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Junk DNA is a sort of inaccurate name for non coding DNA . We USED to think that it has no use but we’ve corrected that so long ago that your point in even bringing it up is silly.
That's incorrect. Junk DNA means DNA that has no effect on the organism health or reproductive success; more precisely, DNA for which the specific sequence doesn't matter. Current estimates are that between 89% and 92% of the human genome consists of junk DNA; the former estimate comes from the ENCODE project and the latter is a more recent estimate. No one has ever published any evidence that most of the genome is anything but junk DNA -- certainly not the ENCODE project.
 
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Pierolapithecus is so close to the split between the other apes and humans that scientists THINK that it is THE ancestor genus . Scientists think unlike some other group of people who believe in ignorant superstitious stories with no basis in facts. St Augustine was right. if reality trumps your dogmas, go with reality
 
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Since you provide no references, are you referring to this from 2012?

Human chimp dna similarity re-evaluated - creation.com
Well, that's certainly a good example of how poor Tomkins's work is. It thoroughly mis-states the fraction of the chimpanzee genome that could have been aligned to the human genome (whether through incompetence or in an attempt to deceive I couldn't say), and is completely misleading on the comparison of human, chimpanzee and gorilla DNA. This is isn't science: it's someone abusing science to fool people who aren't experts in the field.
 
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Ok I was mistaken , oops ! You see I’m not a creationist and my ego isnt tied up with believing nonsense
 
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I was only able to find the embryo pictures in Sylvia Mader's book and they don't use Haeckael's drawings. His grid pattern is used but the modern drawings are anatomically correct.



It's not as if they are promoting Haeckel's recapitulation theory is it?

I was under the impression Haeckel was criticized for exaggerating certain anatomical features to emphasize his ideas? What's the problem with similar - but anatomically correct - drawings?
 
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Very well. Explain macroevolution of a chimp to a human, or vice versa, based on the DNA content/sequences.

Dan
Are we to take from your request that you know enough about genetics to understand any details given?
 
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Hackel's drawings lingered in textbooks as late as 2015; and many evolutionists still refuse to let go. That is hardly an honest mistake. Evolutionism Icons DIE HARD!

Poppycock!
 
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Haeckel’s drawing weren’t used after they were discovered to be inaccurate. They were redrawn or modern (since the 70s) textbooks used photos . I have no idea why creationists keep bringing this up as it’s been a non issue for at least half a century
 
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I've noticed a lot of things creationists bring up aren't relevant anymore. In fact I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone mention Piltdown Man recently.
 
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The oddest thing is that neither Haeckel’s drawings or piltdown man has anything do with accurate science facts . Both were silly mistakes and Haeckel’s could also be an artistic license issue.
 
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What is wrong with that? I think it is perfectly logic and scientific. Blame the definition, not the one who criticize it.

Based on that, you can delete the rest of part I, and the part II or III is no longer needed.
So you've got nothing, as usual. Understood.
 
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Amazingly, the ToE is NOT ABOUT the ORIGIN OF LIFE.
 
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Gibberish.
 
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Just so there is no misunderstanding by new-arrivals, humans and chimps are only about 70% similar. There are many millions of differences, as Dr. Jeffrey Tomkins, (PhD Genetics, Clemson U.)
Can YOU explain what Tomkins means, and vouch for the veracity of his claims?

Or do you just accept them because he says what you want to hear and is an 'authority'?


Use the search function on this forum and search for Tomkins - you will see that his claims have been thoroughly debunked.
 
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Brightmoon, are you talking to anyone in particular, or to yourself?

Dan
 
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No, they've repeatedly lied, made elementary mistakes and obfuscated as much as possible.

This is from someone in league with those who lied about the Piltdown Man, Haeckel's Embryos, Peppered Moths, and Whale "evolutionism", to name a few, not to mention the geological silliness of Uniformitarianism.

If you have specific disagreements with Tomkins and Jeanson, let us hear them.

Yup, Venema did indeed overestimate the time period during which we can rule out a unique starting couple for the human race. Turns out we can only rule it out for the last 700,000 years, not 7 million years.

How about the last 6,500-7,000 years? Can you honestly rule that out?


The first humans were created about 6,000 to 7,500 years ago, according to the Word of God: that is, unless you twist his words to make them fit your presuppositions.

If you have anything to prove your pretensions, let us hear them. But please do not try to baffle everyone with massive data and computer modeling. Rather, simply everything so even a child can understand and believe it. After all, only a fool would stray beyond the simplicity that is in Christ, and Christians are not fools:

"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." -- 2Cor 11:3 KJV

Dan
 
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This is from someone in league with those who lied about the Piltdown Man,

Heh, I just made a comment about how we hadn't had a creationist bring up Piltdown Man lately and there it is. What fortuitous timing.

(And for what it's worth Piltdown Man was a fraud perpetuated by only one or two individuals. It was not representative of a giant conspiracy. And none of the other things you listed were examples of fraud.)
 
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