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How does one prove for or against something of which there is no evidence?
It is hard when one side simply engages in denialism and omits the evidence presented to them.
I have no faith, certainly not the sad faith of the righty Evangelical creationist. The evidence is there, you choose to deny it like Kurt Wise and Todd Wood.If you must believe in vestigial organs -- if your faith demands it -- go right ahead.
Yes - you see, unlike you, I actually read my sources - I don't just do keyword searches on YEC websites and run with it.What was the full context? Do you even know?
They believe this not without evidence, but in spite of the evidence to the contrary. They do it via oath and hope - they state outright, the more intelligent(?) ones anyway, that they reject the evidence due to their commitment to ancient middle eastern tall tales.That is correct. Creation scientists, by definition, believe all humans are direct descendants of Adam and Eve, and are therefore, cousins.
Alas, you are not to that level of honesty yet.
Wow, that totally negates the fact that you are incompetent to provide Scriptural support for Henry Morris' racism.Yea, I guess not. Did you know that Darwin also wrote this?
And?"With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man." [Darwin, Charles, Civilised Nations, "The Descent of Man and Selection in Relation to Sex." 1981, Chap V, p.168]
What was the context? Do you even know?
How do you suppose your Christian heroes thought of 'savages' in those days? Have you ever read what the Christian men of yore wrote about Native Americans?
He was making observations re: natural selection.
Morris the Christian creationist was simply using Scripture to justify the innate racism of the WASP.
She tried to put it in simple layman's terms, but I guess it is still over your head. Maybe you can better understand this video:
That was pretty silly.
But the fact that you rely entirely on creationist essays and videos tells me that you are hiding your ignorance behind this sad reliance upon others.
How about you explain that to us?
So that whole flood thing.. and the whole 'curse' thing... You people need ot get your tall tales straight.God does not wish that any should perish.
I think those that attend megachurches and voted for Trump are chumps, yes.Let me guess. Does that mean you think humans are chumps?
I know that humans and apes and monkeys and mammals and etc. are related. I presented some of the evidence for this, yet you dismissed it out of hand in the same fashion that every other Dunning-Kruger effect creationist non-scientist has. Oh, right - there were no creationist videos aimed at the scientifically illiterate that discussed it, so...
Not even close. Purdom is just another Menton - under-prepared and over-confident.It obviously went right over your head.
I understand the science that you dismiss and ignore.Insults are all evolutionist's seem to understand.
What is evolutionism?Have you never visited evolutionism web sites?
So you've got nothing, like every other Dunning-Krugerite creationist on here.Just another silly evolutionism icon ready to bite the dust.
Let me know when you have progressed past 8th grade science.Let me know when you can prove macroevolution.
Dan
Also let me know when you can prove creationism by God magic.
In the meantime - I note that you could not actually counter any of these - you don;t have what it takes:
The FACTS are:
1. The coccyx contains reduced vertebrae. Their articulation resembles that seen in tailed mammals.
2. The coccyx has a muscular attachment, the extensor coccygis (NOT the coccygeus as many creationists dishonestly try to counter with – that is a different muscle), whose origin is on the distal, dorsal sacrum and which inserts on the coccyx, crossing the sacrococcygeal joint. As such, this muscle’s ONLY possible function is to extend the coccyx. That is, to make it stick out posteriorly. And yet we cannot do this. The same muscle exists in tailed primates. And they Can extend their tails (their EC is more extensive than ours – say, that is totally like a rudiment! Just like in the definition of vestigial!). Why Design a muscle for humans that they cannot use?
3. People born without a coccyx generally do not exhibit detrimental symptoms – their ‘autonomic reproductive functions’ and bladder control etc. work fine. So much for this ‘supported by the coccyx’ gibberish.
4. I have seen no documentation indicating that humans born with tails are used as evidence that THE COCCYX is vestigial.
5. There is no creationist explanation for the extensor coccygis, for why we would have been ‘designed’ with a muscle that we cannot actually use, whose only possible function is to extend the coccyx.
6. Creationists never offer evidence FOR creation, just these sad, pathetic, desperate attacks on evolution and evolutionists to try to generate a fallacious false dichotomy argument.
nor any of this:
I forget now who originally posted these on this forum, but I keep it in my archives because it offers a nice 'linear' progression of testing a methodology and then applying it:
The tested methodology:
Science 25 October 1991:
Vol. 254. no. 5031, pp. 554 - 558
Gene trees and the origins of inbred strains of mice
WR Atchley and WM Fitch
Extensive data on genetic divergence among 24 inbred strains of mice provide an opportunity to examine the concordance of gene trees and species trees, especially whether structured subsamples of loci give congruent estimates of phylogenetic relationships. Phylogenetic analyses of 144 separate loci reproduce almost exactly the known genealogical relationships among these 24 strains. Partitioning these loci into structured subsets representing loci coding for proteins, the immune system and endogenous viruses give incongruent phylogenetic results. The gene tree based on protein loci provides an accurate picture of the genealogical relationships among strains; however, gene trees based upon immune and viral data show significant deviations from known genealogical affinities.
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Science, Vol 255, Issue 5044, 589-592
Experimental phylogenetics: generation of a known phylogeny
DM Hillis, JJ Bull, ME White, MR Badgett, and IJ Molineux
Department of Zoology, University of Texas, Austin 78712.
Although methods of phylogenetic estimation are used routinely in comparative biology, direct tests of these methods are hampered by the lack of known phylogenies. Here a system based on serial propagation of bacteriophage T7 in the presence of a mutagen was used to create the first completely known phylogeny. Restriction-site maps of the terminal lineages were used to infer the evolutionary history of the experimental lines for comparison to the known history and actual ancestors. The five methods used to reconstruct branching pattern all predicted the correct topology but varied in their predictions of branch lengths; one method also predicts ancestral restriction maps and was found to be greater than 98 percent accurate.
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Science, Vol 264, Issue 5159, 671-677
Application and accuracy of molecular phylogenies
DM Hillis, JP Huelsenbeck, and CW Cunningham
Department of Zoology, University of Texas, Austin 78712.
Molecular investigations of evolutionary history are being used to study subjects as diverse as the epidemiology of acquired immune deficiency syndrome and the origin of life. These studies depend on accurate estimates of phylogeny. The performance of methods of phylogenetic analysis can be assessed by numerical simulation studies and by the experimental evolution of organisms in controlled laboratory situations. Both kinds of assessment indicate that existing methods are effective at estimating phylogenies over a wide range of evolutionary conditions, especially if information about substitution bias is used to provide differential weightings for character transformations.
We can ASSUME that the results of an application of those methods have merit.
Application of the tested methodology:
Implications of natural selection in shaping 99.4% nonsynonymous DNA identity between humans and chimpanzees: Enlarging genus Homo
"Here we compare ≈90 kb of coding DNA nucleotide sequence from 97 human genes to their sequenced chimpanzee counterparts and to available sequenced gorilla, orangutan, and Old World monkey counterparts, and, on a more limited basis, to mouse. The nonsynonymous changes (functionally important), like synonymous changes (functionally much less important), show chimpanzees and humans to be most closely related, sharing 99.4% identity at nonsynonymous sites and 98.4% at synonymous sites. "
Mitochondrial Insertions into Primate Nuclear Genomes Suggest the Use of numts as a Tool for Phylogeny
"Moreover, numts identified in gorilla Supercontigs were used to test the human–chimp–gorilla trichotomy, yielding a high level of support for the sister relationship of human and chimpanzee."
A Molecular Phylogeny of Living Primates
"Once contentiously debated, the closest human relative of chimpanzee (Pan) within subfamily Homininae (Gorilla, Pan, Homo) is now generally undisputed. The branch forming the Homo andPanlineage apart from Gorilla is relatively short (node 73, 27 steps MP, 0 indels) compared with that of thePan genus (node 72, 91 steps MP, 2 indels) and suggests rapid speciation into the 3 genera occurred early in Homininae evolution. Based on 54 gene regions, Homo-Pan genetic distance range from 6.92 to 7.90×10−3 substitutions/site (P. paniscus and P. troglodytes, respectively), which is less than previous estimates based on large scale sequencing of specific regions such as chromosome 7[50]. "
Catarrhine phylogeny: noncoding DNA evidence for a diphyletic origin of the mangabeys and for a human-chimpanzee clade.
"The Superfamily Hominoidea for apes and humans is reduced to family Hominidae within Superfamily Cercopithecoidea, with all living hominids placed in subfamily Homininae; and (4) chimpanzees and humans are members of a single genus, Homo, with common and bonobo chimpanzees placed in subgenus H. (Pan) and humans placed in subgenus H. (Homo). It may be noted that humans and chimpanzees are more than 98.3% identical in their typical nuclear noncoding DNA and probably more than 99.5% identical in the active coding nucleotide sequences of their functional nuclear genes (Goodman et al., 1989, 1990). In mammals such high genetic correspondence is commonly found between sibling species below the generic level but not between species in different genera."
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