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Closed minded Christians

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I have dealt with this in my Christian life aslong as I have been back in the faith and church. There are going to be those that judge us for the how we look and the things they do and in talking with these people, agree or disagree, they have reasons for believing the way they do. Just as I don't feel that they should judge me, I have learned that I also should not judge them for how what they think. My hope in Christ is not based on their acceptance of me and there is nothing I can do cause them to accept me. I believe that we as a church need to learn to work with others despite our disagreements. A passage that helps me with this is Romans 14. It talks both about our liberties and abuses of my liberies, which could cause a weaker brother to stumble. I am weak in some areas and I do not need certain influences in my life that would affect me in that area which would hinder my walk with the Lord. But if that particular activity or thing is in and of itself is not biblcally wrong, who am I to expect others not to engage in it, but please I would like not to be expected to participate or even be expected or even endorse it, if I feel that that is going to hinder me to do so.
So what I hope to get across in this post that just as we would like to be properly understood, which is not guaranteed, I believe that it is important try and understand the other person's position on something and act according to what God would have us to do accordingly and that is something only we as individuals with God's guidance can determine. I am still learning this and I believe this on the premise of the Romans 14. I hope this will help someone. This is a really valid subject and needs to be handled delicately.
 
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christians being hypocritical is just a subset of humans being hypocritical. one would hope that the statistical occurance of hypocrites in christianity is lower than that of other religions and/or the non-religious.

often, people will say christians are naive. but i think this is also a subset of humans being naive. or maybe it is because naive people generally aren't cut-throats, and cut-throats don't become christians and remain cut-throats.

thoughts?
 
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Shyguy420 said:
The majority of close minded people are christians
? where have you heard this? people of a religious denomination of some sort are always closeminded in some respect. and there is no one on earth with no religious denomination.
 
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? where have you heard this? people of a religious denomination of some sort are always closeminded in some respect. and there is no one on earth with no religious denomination.

Christians tend to be the most closeminded of them all, however.
 
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Shannonkish said:
Christians tend to be the most closeminded of them all, however.
and that was what my post was asking about.

Christians can be closeminded, yes, but only appears so to those who accept everything as acceptable.
 
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Christians can be closeminded, yes, but only appears so to those who accept everything as acceptable.

I am a conservative Christian for the most part. I don't accept everything as acceptable. However, when I am told that a) the music I listen to is "of the devil", b) I sinned when I got a tattoo, c) going to a club, regardless of the fact that it is a "Christian" club is a sin, D) drinking any type of alcohol regardless of the fact that I am "of age" or 22 years old and don't drink to excess is a sin...

When you hear things like this from Christians on a semi-regular basis... then yes, I tend to think that Christians are closeminded.
 
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Shannonkish said:
I am a conservative Christian for the most part. I don't accept everything as acceptable. However, when I am told that a) the music I listen to is "of the devil", b) I sinned when I got a tattoo, c) going to a club, regardless of the fact that it is a "Christian" club is a sin, D) drinking any type of alcohol regardless of the fact that I am "of age" or 22 years old and don't drink to excess is a sin...

When you hear things like this from Christians on a semi-regular basis... then yes, I tend to think that Christians are closeminded.
I definitely agree with being close-minded to sin (I am sure you do as well). Although I guess it can be said that the people who have told you these things are close-minded, the real issue you have is more of a disagreement as to what is sinful. That's really the root of most of these disagreements.

In my opinion? The "trash in, trash out" theory holds true most of the time, so we have to guard our hearts and minds by filtering what we feed them. It's just awfully easy to become de-sensitized to sin, and suddenly find ourselves living in it.

We have a tough challenge, as Christians... to live as part of the world so that we can interact with the lost, hopefully leading them to Christ... but to live our lives according to the ways of Christ, set apart from the world. It's a tough balance to maintain, as we often tend either to immerse ourselves wholly in "Christian" things (and thus miss out on opportunites to minister to the lost by failing to interact with them) or in the world (finding that we have lost touch with Christ).
 
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ShyGuy are you sure that you just don't want to be told you're a sinner. Are you sure that you're not just wanting the things you do to be ok? I agree that we definately shouldn't judge people by their hair, but as Christians, our actions are to reflect God. And NO we don't get it right a lot of the time but when someone calls you out on sin we have to at least reflect on it. Maybe even seek counsel as to the legitimacy of their concern. But to put our defenses up becuase someone said we're sinning is well sinful.
 
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ShyGuy are you sure that you just don't want to be told you're a sinner
I know I am a sinner and and dont care if you told me i am a sinner or not

Are you sure that you're not just wanting the things you do to be ok?
I know some of the things i do are not ok, but still I am a human and I am a sinner

I agree that we definately shouldn't judge people by their hair, but as Christians, our actions are to reflect God.
yes we as Christians are to reflect God , but we can do that in other ways then beieng preppy and stuck yup

And NO we don't get it right a lot of the time but when someone calls you out on sin we have to at least reflect on it. Maybe even seek counsel as to the legitimacy of their concern. But to put our defenses up becuase someone said we're sinning is well sinful.
But Christians as a majority make people ashame of their sins that they don't even want to be Christians or atleast make me dont want to be a christian cause it seems that everything in the world is a sin and I can't do anything without sinning and sinning is bad i know but i am human
 
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Shyguy420 said:
I know I am a sinner and and dont care if you told me i am a sinner or not

I know some of the things i do are not ok, but still I am a human and I am a sinner

yes we as Christians are to reflect God , but we can do that in other ways then beieng preppy and stuck yup

But Christians as a majority make people ashame of their sins that they don't even want to be Christians or atleast make me dont want to be a christian cause it seems that everything in the world is a sin and I can't do anything without sinning and sinning is bad i know but i am human
How can one come to Christ, the solution for our sins, without being ashamed for our sins and realizing a need for repentance? If you can't find a need for Christ, why bother? Our immense need for Jesus makes the grace of God all the more amazing... He didn't have to die for MY sins or YOURS, but chose to so that we could be cleansed of sin and have an eternal relationship with Him in heaven. Appreciation for the gift and understanding of its cost drives us toward obedience.

Anyway, what I'm saying is this -- it's GOOD that you're ashamed of your sins... we all should be.

To address the closemindedness issue again... the problem is not about being ashamed of sin, but of Christians who become so judgmental of others in sin that they refuse to associate with sinners in any way, and thus miss out on all opportunities to lead them to Jesus. That, in itself, seems rather sinful to me.
 
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NB...

To answer your post... even though I am not quite sure what it means because it is not a correct sentance..

There are LOTs of things that are sin.. listening to secular music is not a sin, getting a tattoo is not a sin... etc.
 
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Are Christians who don't agree with marijuana use considered by you to be "closed minded" shyguy420? Does illicit drug use help one to be more open minded in your opinion?

Sorry but these questions begged to be asked in this thread as the "420" and marijuana avatar clearly suggest you have an opinion on the subject, correct?

fallen^sparrow :)
 
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Shyguy, can't help noticing your avatar is of a cannabis leaf, is this maybe the root of your question?

I've been there done that myself, i could be wrong maybe you just like the picture, but with you saying about dreadlocks also seems to fit to me that you may be one who likes the hashish and maybe Christians speak against this that you do.

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but the argument of close minded Christians usually comes from those who don't want to recognize their sins as such and lay them at the cross.
I know the cannabis issue and maybe other issues of what's sin or not can be debated.
But there is one way to serve God and it's not our own, it's Gods way by His love, that is what fullfills our hearts, His pure way just like His son lived is the way we see as perfect and the way we want to live our selves prepared to be hated and even suffer the persecution He did before us for us.

God shows us a greater way and fulfillment than any drugs or alcohol, or anything this world can offer us that we may see as some treasure, the treasure is not of this world but of God, the true treasure He gives us that fulfills our hearts, the unselfish pure love, that we want for all.

I've lived in the world and by the pleasures of it, and there is nothing that compares to Gods love, it's useless and vain compared to Gods love, there's no good of the world or ourselves before we come to Christ, He offers us good, a greater way than all the world, the true secret of the world and how to live in it.
To live by Gods word, is to live by the true bread of life, it nourishes us with true goodness.
To live by the world and any useless pleasure it offers you is just that usless and vain.

The love of God is the true secret, not wanting for ourselves, but taking joy in the love we can show others.
In deed yes, but moreso than that for even the world can do good deeds, for they may want to give to the hungry, but to even give them food that can fullfill their stomach is nothing compared to the food that can fulfill their hearts.

Christ preached the Gospel the true bread of life, this is what is to be preached throughout the whole world, not sitting idlely in front of our t.v. screens or listening to worldly music or chilling out in the pub or having a session.
What fruit is of these things.

I've listened to worldly music and watched films and t.v and there's nothing of these things only to show us how so many are lost and have to fullfill their lives with this.
Sure t.v. and music can be used to preach the Gospel and gloryfy God, but worldly music and t.v ect. no good comes from, it brings forth no good fruit, and will perish with the world, these worldly things are not of God, sure you can say cannabis is, it's His creation, but what fruit does it bring forth to the glory of God only sitting lazly getting high for your own pleasure.

I say this not to judge you and probably fit what you see as a close minded Christian, but i want no evil for you, or to take any good from you, i only want you to grow in and see the pure love of God, and this as the true beauty of life, there is nothing greater in life than living by the pure love of God, there is no greater purer fullfillment, why desire to do that which brings forth no fruit, when you can do what can bring forth much.

Why waste our time and money on that which is fruitless, when there's so much fruitful work crying out to be done.

I'm not condemning you for what you may or may not do, but to see what our lives here are for, and how we can use our lives vessels to His great love being filled with it, and directing all who thirst of His fountain where they can get fullfillment.
For we are witnesses of this gift unseen, if we are then called by His name, we are then to be witnesses of it, not living by things that are not a witness of His love, but living witnesses of what's in our hearts showing the world it's light, witnesses of His name not just by name but by witness of what we do by the love that's in us.
For if we carry the name of Christ and are no different from and still live by the things the world does, then what witness are we, of our saviour who came to save us from the world, from the man of a sinful nature which all of the world live by, to show us the glorious path of living by His love of being fullfilled with His beauty.
For Christ lived all by the will of the Father, there was no blemish in Him, this is the mans name we carry, but much more than a man, for He did nothing of himself for his own gain as a man but all for us for our good, to inherit the glorious gift of God.

So we now witnesses of Him, are judged by His name that we carry, so if we call ourselves of Him to want His good for others that He died for for us, then what do we show others of His name when we still seek idlely of our gain in worldly things, when this is not what Christ was about.

What harm you can say is there in tatoos or whatever, but what good is of them, and what witness is of them to gloryfy the name that you now carry.

Not that we should look down on or judge any of such, but let them say this is my scars of old, not continue in fruitless worldly ways.

For we can reach out to the world knowing the world they live in, for we once did, but we offer a hand to help them out of it, not to mingle ourselves therein so we then don't even recognize of what we are saved from.

I admire close minded Christians who stick to Gods word and let their minds be formed to His ways and close out the influences of the world.
But this doesn't mean rejecting sinners and looking down on them as if we being self righteous, for we know we of ourselves are no better than them, but by the grace of God have been saved ourselves and want the same for these, living a life before them as servants to them to show them His love, not being converted to their ways, but being pure before them in Gods ways, for Gods way is the treasure we live by, and this is what we are witnesses before them of.

Why show the world we're of the world, we're of God not the world, and are witnesses of Gods love, not what the world loves and it's idle pleasures, for their pleasures are witnesses of their worldly ways, their singers sing of it, their movies promote it, the life they live is of it and the pleasures they live by and what they see as important to life.
The world is witness to the world and it's fruitless ways, but we are witnesses of God and His true fruitful ways.
 
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Let me clarify my stance...

I have found that those people that are passionately living for Christ tend NOT to be close-minded... it tends to be those that are simply "church goers" and that is about the extent of their relationship with God.

Yes, I agree, there is one way to live for Christ... one road, one path to take.. however, legalism is not a part of that.

I recognize my sins, and in no way try to justify them... I will blatently tell you that I sinned and why what I did was a sin... at the same time, I recognize this and seek God to correct it and live a Godly life.

What I see as closeminded are those people that want to create a Christian sub-culture... I think I talked about this before on this post... but anyway, as Christians we are not called to create a Christian subculture.
 
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