Climate change, deforestation, mass extinction...

[Gxg (G²)]

Evironmental politics are at their worst when they rely on poor people continuing to live miserably.

Very true...."saving the world" through means reminiscent of junk science and social darwinism where the weak who can't adapt to the solutions made by those in power for cleaning things up are either dismissed, ignored or outright killed..

 

[DennisTate]

Before going further, no - plenty of people are for environmental stewardship of the environment while also recognizing how much of an issue it is politically when it comes to de-empowering other groups (especially Indigenous peoples in communities or areas) from actually having a say or a voice for how the process plays out. That is - and will ALWAYS be - an issue, especially when people saying how the environment should be handled get ignored if they feel you don't need extensive government intervention to do so. I've spoken about this before previously, as seen here:

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In my opinion the prediction of the "Warriors of the Rainbow" sounds a lot like the outpouring of the Holy Spirit/ Ruach ha Kodesh that is written about in both the Jewish as well as in the Christian scriptures.

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...nd-the-outpouring-of-the-holy-spirit.7904124/

Warriors of the Rainbow by Eyes of Fire and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

 

[dlamberth]

Wait...there's more: "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" researchers devastated by sight.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/great-pacific-garbage-patch-researchers-devastated-by-sight-1.3201111

 

[smaneck]

Thanks for sharing what you've done... We had low flush toilets installed and a drought resistant front yard replaced our grass lawn.. The City gave us a $2000. rebate...

A lot of people don't realize what a dangerous thing this California drought is. California is the biggest food producer in the world. If it loses it's capacity to produce the whole world starves.

 

[Robban]

A lot of people don't realize what a dangerous thing this California drought is. California is the biggest food producer in the world. If it loses it's capacity to produce the whole world starves.

If there are prayer meetings in California where they are praying for rain,
it may pull a few strings in the heavens if they took umbrellas with them.

You never know.

 

[DennisTate]

A lot of people don't realize what a dangerous thing this California drought is. California is the biggest food producer in the world. If it loses it's capacity to produce the whole world starves.

In one of the discussions that I was involved in online I was informed that a number of well financed plans had been put forward to desalinate ocean water on a large scale in order to supply fresh water to parts of California, Nevada and other dry states in that area.

All the plans were killed by influential people on the extreme political left who really should take another look at how far solar desalination has progressed....

http://saharaforestproject.com/projects/qatar.html

 

[DennisTate]

Here is how this technology could be relevant to California......

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/04/19/sahara-forest-project-grows-food-biofuel/

Last year the pilot facility went on line and we had an aha moment. We were kind of assuming all along that the Sahara Forest Project was geared toward creating a sustainable model for developing nations, but in the context of California’s devastating drought it finally occurred to us that the Sahara Forest Project model would be quite useful right here in the US.

As it turns out, we were pretty much on track. Although the Sahara Forest Project is designed to come up with exportable strategies it is not necessarily a one size fits all solution, and Dr. Corless noted that its application to other countries depends at least partly on the existence of a developed infrastructure.

Local Food And Energy Hubs
Earlier this year, the Sahara Forest Project announced the successful completion of a vegetable crop cycle that demonstrated the potential for market competition with greenhouses in Europe. Dr. Corless pointed out that this mark was achieved despite the extreme conditions of the desert location.

That crop happened to be cucumbers, which Dr. Corless explained were chosen to launch the project because, among other reasons, cucumbers are sensitive to salt. The ability of cucumbers to thrive at the project is a good indicator of the potential for other crops to do well.

 

[smaneck]

In one of the discussions that I was involved in online I was informed that a number of well financed plans had been put forward to desalinate ocean water on a large scale in order to supply fresh water to parts of California, Nevada and other dry states in that area.

In one of the discussions that I was involved in online I was informed that a number of well financed plans had been put forward to desalinate ocean water on a large scale in order to supply fresh water to parts of California, Nevada and other dry states in that area.

All the plans were killed by influential people on the extreme political left who really should take another look at how far solar desalination has progressed....

http://saharaforestproject.com/projects/qatar.html

While desalinization makes sense on the Arabian Peninsula, it would not be cost-effective in California. Besides why do desalinization when currently water from tertiary sewage treatment plants is being dumped into the ocean? There is no reason that water can't be used for agriculture instead. In fact, the water is even drinkable.

As for the Southwest, a better option would be something similar to the Qanat system of the ancient Persians. Qanats are ideal for high deserts which have surrounding mountains which get sufficient precipitation. By bringing the water down in underground tunnels there is no loss to evaporation. Furthermore it would take 10,000 years for the ground water to be adversely effected by this form of irrigation unlike wells that lower the ground water within 50 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat

 

[DennisTate]

While desalinization makes sense on the Arabian Peninsula, it would not be cost-effective in California. Besides why do desalinization when currently water from tertiary sewage treatment plants is being dumped into the ocean? There is no reason that water can't be used for agriculture instead. In fact, the water is even drinkable.

As for the Southwest, a better option would be something similar to the Qanat system of the ancient Persians. Qanats are ideal for high deserts which have surrounding mountains which get sufficient precipitation. By bringing the water down in underground tunnels there is no loss to evaporation. Furthermore it would take 10,000 years for the ground water to be adversely effected by this form of irrigation unlike wells that lower the ground water within 50 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qanat

I think that we are talking here about something far beyond economics.

Millions of lives are at stake if we don't get prepared for what is probably coming.

One of the major advantages to desalination technology is that every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated takes some of the pressure off oceans so that the overflow of New Orleans, parts of Florida, Bangladesh, The Nethernalds and many other areas is delayed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...c-ice-shelf-could-collapse-by-2020-nasa-says/

This Antarctic ice shelf could collapse by 2020, NASA says

 

[smaneck]

I think that we are talking here about something far beyond economics.

Millions of lives are at stake if we don't get prepared for what is probably coming.

One of the major advantages to desalination technology is that every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated takes some of the pressure off oceans so that the overflow of New Orleans, parts of Florida, Bangladesh, The Nethernalds and many other areas is delayed.

Uh, Dennis just because you desalinate the water doesn't mean it won't eventually end up in the ocean. Yes, we use the water, but then it goes back again. If global warming continues the oceans will rise, there is no way around that.

 

[dlamberth]

I think that we are talking here about something far beyond economics.

Ya Think?!?

 

[DennisTate]

Uh, Dennis just because you desalinate the water doesn't mean it won't eventually end up in the ocean. Yes, we use the water, but then it goes back again. If global warming continues the oceans will rise, there is no way around that.

True.......... but getting one cubic kilometer of water out of the oceans, desalinated, and added to the water table of any nation with a desert would be good news for the residents of New Orleans!

The delay would be at the minimum weeks but maybe even months or years before that same water makes its way back to the ocean.

 

[DennisTate]

Ya Think?!?

Yup.... we are talking about nothing less that the fulfillment of ancient prophecies.

"The desert and the parched land will be glad;
the wilderness will rejoice and blossom.
Like the crocus,2 it will burst into bloom;
it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy." (Isaiah 35:1)

...."Water will gush forth in the wilderness
and streams in the desert.
7 The burning sand will become a pool,
the thirsty ground bubbling springs.
In the haunts where jackals once lay,
grass and reeds and papyrus will grow."

 

[smaneck]

True.......... but getting one cubic kilometer of water out of the oceans, desalinated, and added to the water table of any nation with a desert would be good news for the residents of New Orleans!

That doesn't get it in the water table, Dennis. Water gets in the water table only by precipitation (rain and snow.)

 

[smaneck]

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Yup.... we are talking about nothing less that the fulfillment of ancient prophecies.

"The desert and the parched land will be glad;
the wilderness will rejoice and blossom.
Like the crocus,2 it will burst into bloom;
it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy." (Isaiah 35:1)

...."Water will gush forth in the wilderness
and streams in the desert.
7 The burning sand will become a pool,
the thirsty ground bubbling springs.
In the haunts where jackals once lay,
grass and reeds and papyrus will grow."

Now that may already be fulfilled.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

It truly is fascinating that some of the people who seem the least concerned for all of the fears arising on the planet and its mistreatment (Even though they have said it is a problem) would be the Buddhist Monks in the monasteries throughout Asia.....


But with the Buddhists monks, it intrigues me to see how they seem to have accepted a finality on the entire issue with feeling that there are greater concerns that are to be held to - and Zen master Thich Nhat Hanh noted that "only love can save us from climate change." In his view, most people are not responding to the threat of global warming, despite overwhelming scientific evidence, because they are unable to save themselves from their own personal suffering - thus making themselves too burdened to worry about the battles impacting the Earth/Nature. Although he has outlined practical ways to address global warming before in his books (such as The World We Have: A Buddhist Approach to Peace and Ecology: Easyread Large and The Blooming of a Lotus: Revised Edition of the Classic Guided Meditation ), he has still been of the mindset that nothing is permanent and there needs to be a willingness to not hold so tightly to things. It amazes me that the man is one at great peace even as he predicts the possible collapse of civilisation within 100 years as a result of runaway climate change. - more in ECOBUDDHISM :: Only love can save us from climate change and ECOBUDDHISM :: BOOK - Contents, Overview, Excerpts

Through meditation and education and acts of love one person at a time, change is a gradual process. We see that today, in countries such as Thailand and Japan, many Buddhist monks are active in Green groups.. And we can see in places like Bhutan where there is immense security due to how others handle themselves - more noted in Water and Climate in the Himalayas and Buddhism and climate change | Sujato’s Blog

BBC: Extreme Pilgrim - Shaolin Monastery - YouTube​

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There have been cases of others standing in the way of aggressive destruction of the environment (like these Buddhist monks in Cambodia blessing trees which are about to be destroyed to make way for a banana plantation - with the orange cloth making them sacred and used in the hopes of deterring loggers from cutting them down.

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But if things do not change, there's no sense in fear being promoted within that system.

I am reminded of where Pulitzer Prize-winning poet Gary Snyder wrote an essay called “Buddhism and the Coming Revolution"....detailing at one point the practice of Buddhist Anarchism (more in Buddhist Anarchism (Gary Snyder) and BUDDHISM AND THE COMING REVOLUTION by Gary Snyder | Arthur Magazine). Buddhist Anarchism is very similar in many ways with Anarcho Primitivism . And interestingly enough, Buddhist Anarchism praises Chaos as a harbinger of change...yet unlike more mainstream anarchists - they don't seem to bother creating their own institutions since Chaos will itself bring change. To others, from Chaos a better world would naturally emerge

For reference, one can go here or here in Paul Cudenec: The skilful means of anarcho-Buddhism and to Zen Anarchy (Max Cafard) | The Anarchist Library.

And for others:
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• Shifu, Soul of Chinese Anarchism - Edward S. Krebs - Google Books

• The Implicit & Experiential Rantings of a Person: Envisioning a Buddhist Anarchism

• The Implicit & Experiential Rantings of a Person: Reflections on a Buddhist Anarchism

• Socially Engaged Buddhism - Sallie B. King - Google Books

As much as there can be peace seeing the reality of how things chaotic can lead to order, it is STILL sad seeing all of the things which have transpired since...

Brazil’s Mining Dam Disaster Will Bring Years of Irreversible Environmental Damage​

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Sustainable Traditions
November 25 at 10:12am ·
Our hearts weep with our friends in Brazil over the recent mine dam break: CREATION IS GROANING.. HUMANS & ANIMALS ARE SUFFERING. AND MONEY WILL NOT ATONE FOR THESE SINS. - http://bit.ly/1lJP1tQ

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I have always been amazed at the many finding ways to take things as crucial as trees and make them a priority when it comes to the buildings we have.

What follows are 11+ Clever Buildings Whose Architects Refused To Cut Down Local Trees in light of how Deforestation has a significant environmental impact. Many studies suggest that is a contributor to global warming; it impacts the water cycle by reducing the amount of...
BOREDPANDA.COM

And for others:

Giant Japanese Treehouse | Treehouse



Treehouse Living: 4 Custom, Eco-friendly Options

-Amazing treehouse designs: They’re not just for kids (http://www.angieslist.com/.../amazing-treehouse-designs... )

Amazing treehouse designs: They’re not just for kids
ANGIESLIST.COM


"Tree Houses – Tiny House Talk" ( http://thetinylife.com/tag/tree-house/ andhttp://tinyhousetalk.com/category/tree-houses/ )

Tree House « The Tiny Life
Tiny houses and tree houses go together like shrimp over grits or gravy over biscuits.(Cravin’ some southern food,...
THETINYLIFE.COM

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On a side note, seeing how the world operates and what is going on is indeed unfortunate. Paying attention to your soil which other creatures irrigate (such as ants/moles for example) an in order for it to be healthy and you end up sacrificing your trees giving you air oxygen to breathe - thus meaning they go on strike/die along with the soil when we demean it and we lose our lives as payment for the debt we owned to the land. Take your world seriously..



The dirt on soil: Underground biodiversity holds key to ecosystems
AMERICA.ALJAZEERA.COM

"From dust you are and from dust you shall return" (Genesis 3:19 ) - amazing how much we forget to value the ground we were made from and walk on, even though neglecting it will harm us when seeing how the air we breath (from trees in the soil) and the water we drink (recycled via evaporation when it rains) are impacted by it. Glad to be in touch with what God made outside..


Satish Kumar: the link between soil, soul and society
THEGUARDIAN.COM|BY SATISH KUMAR

 

[Gxg (G²)]

On a side note, seeing how the world operates and what is going on is indeed unfortunate. Paying attention to your soil which other creatures irrigate (such as ants/moles for example) an in order for it to be healthy and you end up sacrificing your trees giving you air oxygen to breathe - thus meaning they go on strike/die along with the soil when we demean it and we lose our lives as payment for the debt we owned to the land. Take your world seriously..



The dirt on soil: Underground biodiversity holds key to ecosystems
AMERICA.ALJAZEERA.COM

"From dust you are and from dust you shall return" (Genesis 3:19 ) - amazing how much we forget to value the ground we were made from and walk on, even though neglecting it will harm us when seeing how the air we breath (from trees in the soil) and the water we drink (recycled via evaporation when it rains) are impacted by it. Glad to be in touch with what God made outside..


Satish Kumar: the link between soil, soul and society
THEGUARDIAN.COM|BY SATISH KUMAR

Additionally, as it concerns what's happening to the world today, what has been fascinating for me to learn of late is seeing all of the ways that the oceans are being polluted and yet that pollution actually will lead to our own destruction. What your news will not talk on when seeing these creatures go extinct who keep you alive - something that has been said for years by Marine Biologists

-Phytoplankton (http://www.whoi.edu/main/topic/phytoplankton )


-"How much do oceans add to world's oxygen? | Earth ... (http://earthsky.org/earth/how-much-do-oceans-add-to-worlds-oxygen)

-"Source of the World's Oxygen not considered" (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0607_040607_phytoplankton.html )

The Most Important Organism? (http://www.ecology.com/2011/09/12/important-organism/ )


The Most Important Organism? | Ecology Global Network
ECOLOGY.COM



Reason to Care: Endangered plankton provide half the world's oxygen -

SCIENCERECORDER.COM|BY DELILA MJ JAMES

 

[Gxg (G²)]

As much as there can be peace seeing the reality of how things chaotic can lead to order, it is STILL sad seeing all of the things which have transpired since...

Brazil’s Mining Dam Disaster Will Bring Years of Irreversible Environmental Damage​

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Sustainable Traditions
November 25 at 10:12am ·
Our hearts weep with our friends in Brazil over the recent mine dam break: CREATION IS GROANING.. HUMANS & ANIMALS ARE SUFFERING. AND MONEY WILL NOT ATONE FOR THESE SINS. - http://bit.ly/1lJP1tQ

In addition to the environment being harmed, it's unfortunate to see our food supply impacted as well...as well as impacting the food supply of others by not caring for the world...

If God was not concerned about anything else but mankind, he would have simply made Adam and Eve in the Garden by themselves rather than taking extensive time to make the world/all the life within it as interconnected as it is BEFORE they got there ....and asked man to walk in care/tending of what He made. God is concerned and things dying out always lead to man dying. For you kill yourself recklessly destroying the trees/forests that give you air and the same goes for other creatures designed to keep other creatures in check which we help us in our own survival),

For things going on with the natural world (i.e. animals dying, plants ceasing to exist, etc.) are not what you'll see reported on often when it comes to news talking on wars/rumors of wars and the topics politicians generally speak on before elections - but the things done in the biological world impact us far more than we realize.

Louis Psihoyos & Fisher Stevens' New Discovery Doc - HuffPost Live
Director Louis Psihoyos and producer Fisher Stevens join us to discuss their new documentary, "Racing Extinction." The film uses covert operations to expose the…
LIVE.HUFFINGTONPOST.COM|BY JOSH ZEPPS​

These are Things you do not consider which are happening in the background even when the main stories on the news are not really choosing to be centered on it. Never take for granted what you grew up enjoying since it may not be around later....

The Extinction of Fruits & Vegetables in 80 Years
It's not only fruits and vegetables that are disappearing -- 60,000 to 100,000 plant species are also in danger of extinction.
ARTICLES.MERCOLA.COM

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[Gxg (G²)]

I have always been amazed at the many finding ways to take things as crucial as trees and make them a priority when it comes to the buildings we have.

It is highly unfortunate to see what is and has been happening to Indigenous populations around the world due to the fact that the world has not been taken care of....even though many are making a comeback in differing ways..

Dreams from endangered cultures
With stunning photos and stories, National Geographic Explorer Wade Davis celebrates the extraordinary diversity of the world's indigenous cultures, which are disappearing from the planet at an alarming rate.
TED.COM|BY WADE DAVIS



Indigenous People Explore Many Shades Of REDD - Ecosystem Marketplace
Indigenous people have long been the most effective guardians of the rainforest, but confronted with growing global pressures to clear their lands, how will they find the…
ECOSYSTEMMARKETPLACE.COM

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