Clergy who abuse

[ps139]

Yes, it is true that it is *only* 1% of the CC that has this happening but even 1% is 1% too many. It is also only 1% of all denominations but as ps139 states it is because the media has a HATE group and at this time it seems to be the RCC's. I know that about 2 years ago here on the west coast of Canada there was a piece in the paper on the front page about a Catholic priest who had molested young girls and when it was investigated further they found that it was not an RC priest but an Anglican priest and when they printed in the news what the sentence was it was nowhere to be seen on the front page, by this time knowing that the man was a protestant and married with youngsters of his own, it was buried in the middle of the second section. Where the news at first was headline news was now just a blurb in the middle of a lot of other things that were just short blurbs.

And of course if you call them on it they'll say "Well we did make the correction..." Yeah, but they made it where no one will read it.

 

[bleechers]

Anybody have a 10-foot-pole I can borrow?

Also I think the Passion of the Christ stirred many people to look into the CC and when that happened, the church became the latest target by those who wish to slam what they hate.

Just FYI, the scandals completely pre-dated the film.

And I think people were less troubled by the 1% of priests (as troubling as that is) than they were by a Cardinal (to whom his diocese must "bow their intellect") who spent decades shuffling the offenders around.

My parents' pastor got caught up in all this and was sneaked off in the middle of the night (Charlotte diocese in North Carolina). Nobody has ever been given any details. My guess is that problem is greater than we have seen (and is certainly nothing new in historical terms).

My 2 cents.

 

[ps139]

And I think people were less troubled by the 1% of priests (as troubling as that is) than they were by a Cardinal (to whom his diocese must "bow their intellect") who spent decades shuffling the offenders around

I am greatly troubled by this. Total abuse/misuse/neglect of authority as a bishop

 

[Heatherondo]

It isn't just cath priests, it's in all denominations, albeit more rampant in some denominations than others.

We dont hear about it as much as we have in the catholic church, I know it happens, but, is it just as common? Are we going to have a plethora of stories and criminal charges coming in the future from other denoms?

Its sad. Its wrong. period.

I beleive everything in this world is either of God or satan, good or evil, black or white.

and i believe that satan wants nothing more than to try and tempt christians to fall, in whatever way possible and in the end THAT is where perversions of all kinds come from

 

[Heatherondo]

And I think people were less troubled by the 1% of priests (as troubling as that is) than they were by a Cardinal (to whom his diocese must "bow their intellect") who spent decades shuffling the offenders around.

QUOTE]

Now see THAT, really troubles me, i think the shuffling should be addressed and the one(s) responsible should be charged in some way as well, knowing the crime has been commited then sending the offender somewhere else to offend again, is horrendous to me.

 

[newlite]

Its sad. Its wrong. period.

and i believe that satan wants nothing more than to try and tempt christians to fall, in whatever way possible and in the end THAT is where perversions of all kinds come from

same...

 

[Filia Mariae]

We dont hear about it as much as we have in the catholic church, I know it happens, but, is it just as common?

Yup.

Are we going to have a plethora of stories and criminal charges coming in the future from other denoms?

If it suits the purposes of the media.

Its sad. Its wrong. period.

Yup.

 

[bleechers]

If it suits the purposes of the medi

Carly, I agree that the media love a feeding frenzy and the media love to bash anything that might suggest that they will answer to a higher being one day... but don't let the good Cardinal off the hook here.

Regardless of the media's bloodthirst, he did shuffle, protect and hide abusers for decades.

 

[P_G]

Because I have to tell it


I was hurt by not one but two different priests as a boy
Actually as an altar boy.

After the second go round I screwed up enough courage to tell my dad
who was training to become a Catholic Deacon.

He hit me several times and told me that I was a liar
And that if I mentioned it again to any one he would not
be allowed to be a deacon and that the beating I just got
would be nothing compared to the beating I would get.


As you can see I have left the Catholic church
Forever

I am not one who seeks a lawsuit
Never will

It plunged me into years of alcoholism
Drug addiction
self destructive behavior
and anti social attitude

I hated the church
I hated G-d
and I hated clergy most of all


Today by the power of Christ Jesus
The Mashiach
Y'shuah YHVH
The annointed of Y'srael

I am healed


He uses me in a powerful way

And I live my life so as to be so unscrupiolously pure
that there will never be a question as to my integrety.
Not ever
EVER


I struggle every time I write this or tell this.
But tell it I do.


Some one asked me to remove this thread
I am sorry but thats just not going to happen.


Blessings

I have to go puke now


Pastor George

 

[daveleau]

Wow, PG. I'm sorry for what you have gone through.

This is an issue that shouldn't be taboo. If it is, then it will simply be repeated once it moves out of the focus of the media's gaze. I agree that the RCC and Protestants alike are being discriminated against in the media. I don't see this as a dividing point between the RCC and Protestants, but as a way that we can help each other. Protestants went through a rash of incidents in the 80's and 90's with televangelists. Neither's clergy is squeaky clean. It boils down to the fact that Satan attacks us when we are doing God's work and tries to destroy our credibility. It is up to us (Christian leaders, which encompasses everyone in God's family), to repel temptation of all things, whether it is embezzling or molestation or simple sinful things we are faced with daily. I just finished a lesson that I have to teach as my first sermon/study for my master's degree on Psalms 62 and it ties right into this. When you are on top (doing God's work in a leadership position), your enemies will attack you and try to make you fall. We must rely on Him and know that the battle is already won for us.

God bless you all and I hope the RCC DOES come back to its roots as Ps139 said earlier.

Dave

 

[daveleau]

I'm not trying to quanitfy and say that those incidents or incident with today's pastors are X much greater or worse than issues with today's preists. We need to correct the problems and benefit from what we have learned. We should do that with all problems, even ones of this magnitude.

 

[Iollain]

I don't think this is a 'we' thing here, a Christian will not harm children, if someone does this they are NOT saved, they do NOT belong to God. This is satanic in it's pure form. I'm not saying it is not their fault, blame it on satan, but i think this is the worst thing that can happen is a child being hurt in this way. As i said before, these kind of people look for a position to abuse, there was a big thing here in this province to do with the New Brunswick Youth Training Centre: http://www.petergoldring.com/articles/artcomm67.htm. This is not a religious thing, but the people involved were in charge of youth, they obviously wanted this position to get to victims. There was a lot of cover up in this case too, i think there is cover up because the people that are trying to cover up are guilty of these crimes too. You have to be very careful of who is in charge of youth.
I don't understand the law either, if someone does this they should be locked away for good. And i don't understand why someone would ask this thread to be put down, must be a spirit of pride. This should be talked about in a factual way.

Pastor George:

 

[mesue]

As a person that works with male prisoners, many of whom have abused children, I am compelled to offer MHO.
This is not an exclusively "Catholic Preist" thing.
People who abuse those smaller and/or weaker than they do it for the power and feeling of authority and control. It has nothing to do with fulfilling sexual desires.
It's sad that the media really hyped this situation in the Catholic Church. This is a problem that spans time, culture, race and religion. Please keep that in mind.

 

[Filia Mariae]

Carly, I agree that the media love a feeding frenzy and the media love to bash anything that might suggest that they will answer to a higher being one day... but don't let the good Cardinal off the hook here.

Regardless of the media's bloodthirst, he did shuffle, protect and hide abusers for decades.

Cardinal Law's actions were despicable. No one debates that. What is questionable is the notion that this kind of behavior is uniquely Catholic.

 

[Miss Shelby]

Sorry, I'm trying not to cast too wide a net, but you cannot compare Swaggart and Baker's sins with the untold thousands of abused little boys covered up by a number of Bishops.

True.

These sins however, can be.

http://www.reformation.com/

Undoubtedly you will say that these crimes were not covered up. Ulitmately though, you do not know if they were or for how long, because there is no visible way to track it, like there is with the Church.

As mesue said, it's not a Catholic thing. It's an American male thing. And it's inexcusable, no matter who it is.

Michelle

 

[GreenEyedLady]

As mesue said, it's not a Catholic thing. It's an American male thing. And it's inexcusable, no matter who it is.

Michelle

I have not seen one person make the claim that abuse is a "Catholic" thing.
I think what Bleeches point was not the abuse but the covering up of abuse. That is even more appauling. I think that lumping the whole covering up thing as a problem within both Protestants faiths and Catholic faiths is wrong.
While we all know each faith has thier faults, not all of them have the same faults.
GEL

 

[Miss Shelby]

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[newlite]

http://www.reformation.com/]Welcome to a collection of news reports of ministers sexually abusing children:

147 Baptist Ministers

that sounds like alot....

 

[mesue]

I see the listing for the number of Protestant Ministers and think it unfair that there are no number of Priests listed. That websit is a little lop-sided, doncha think?

To make the playing field level, all denoms should have been listed, IMHO.

 

[Miss Shelby]

I see the listing for the number of Protestant Ministers and think it unfair that there are no number of Priests listed. That websit is a little lop-sided, doncha think?

To make the playing field level, all denoms should have been listed, IMHO.

I am just going to answer your question mesue... I am not trying to debate.

The webmaster of that site is Protestant ( I do not know his denominational affiliation)--he originated it to address the problem of non Catholic clergy abuse in light of all of the press the Catholic Church was getting over it.

From the website:

We would be naïve and dishonest were we to say this is a Roman Catholic problem and has nothing to do with us because we have married and female priests in our church. Sin and abusive behavior know no ecclesial or other boundaries." Rt. Rev. William Persell, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, Good Friday Sermon, 2002.

Again, just answering you.. not debating.

Michelle