Clarification of 3rd Christian Principle of Foru.ms: Satanism/ Satanic symbols

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · Sep 21, 2007

GreenMunchkin said:
Sweetie, truly, did you not think people may take exception to what you said? Realistically.

Does that matter? I take exception to many things people say on here, but my doing so is never used by any of them as a basis for guiding their experience, thoughts, feelings, or resulting self-expression.

Nor do I expect it to be -- nor should it be.

We have clear rules to deal with when people are not being civil -- and that is enough. We do not have rules to enforce conformity -- nor do I desire to see such rules made even if they were made in a way that served my predilections.

GreenMunchkin · Sep 21, 2007

Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:
Does that matter? I take exception to many things people say on here, but my doing so is never used by any of them as a basis for guiding their experience, thoughts, feelings, or resulting self-expression.

Nor do I expect it to be -- nor should it be.

We have clear rules to deal with when people are not being civil -- and that is enough. We do not have rules to enforce conformity -- nor do I desire to see such rules made even if they were made in a way that served my predilections.

This is a circular discussion

All I can tell you is Time's post wasn't lacking in civility, at all. I suppose, ultimately, we are all responsible for our own decorum.

Stuff to do Hope you're well, duck. God bless. x

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · Sep 21, 2007

Making false and inflammatory accusations against another is by definition and in its intrinsic nature, uncivil, even if it is done in the softest tone possible.
Finger pointing, slander, and mischaracterisation are never civil.
Be well GM.

Time2BCounted · Sep 21, 2007

Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:
Making false and inflammatory accusations against another is by definition and in its intrinsic nature, uncivil, even if it is done in the softest tone possible.
Finger pointing, slander, and mischaracterisation are never civil.
Be well GM.

Who made a false statement? To say a sonet to satan is beautiful is indeed promotional imho. For you to be allowed to promote such thought certainly would not have been allowed prior to 7/7.

I would love to see an explanation as to why it is allowed now.

icedtea · Sep 21, 2007

Well, its an opinion. We are still allowed to have opinions. I would think that a good thing.
Promoting is a loaded word used to use against whatever someones opinion is one doesn't seem to like, in My Opinion.

Jebediah · Sep 21, 2007

HowardDean said:
Well, its an opinion. We are still allowed to have opinions. I would think that a good thing.
Promoting is a loaded word used to use against whatever someones opinion is one doesn't seem to like, in My Opinion.

I think perhaps the definition of promotion needs to be clarified.

Just an opinion.

I have been accused multiple times since the decision came down. Seems that once the "promotion" word was codified, it became the buzzword of the moment.

icedtea · Sep 21, 2007

You were told to stop running those Got Satan? commercials, eh?

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · Sep 21, 2007

Time2BCounted said:
Who made a false statement? To say a sonet to satan is beautiful is indeed promotional imho. For you to be allowed to promote such thought certainly would not have been allowed prior to 7/7.

I would love to see an explanation as to why it is allowed now.

"Promotion" is not permitted as far as I'm aware. However, "promotion" involves such concepts as recruiting, proselytizing, advocating, etc. Not merely reporting an opinion. An opinion is a fluid thing, like art. I think you and I are just too different from one another for you to truly grasp me, is what it comes down to. Trust me -- if I wanted to "promote" anything, I am well and truly capable of doing so -- effectively and convincingly. Sharing an opinion doesn't qualify here. I am pleased, however, to see you qualify your statement with "IMHO". IMHO, that is precisely what is needed. You OPINE that it constitutes promoting. And I'm telling you factually, it doesn't.

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · Sep 21, 2007

HowardDean said:
Well, its an opinion. We are still allowed to have opinions. I would think that a good thing.
Promoting is a loaded word used to use against whatever someones opinion is one doesn't seem to like, in My Opinion.

I completely share, and second, both your opinions there, HD.

drstevej · Sep 21, 2007

Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:
I completely share, and second, both your opinions there, HD.

Ya want to do a duet to the Devil, then?
We can call it our opinion.

Jebediah · Sep 21, 2007

HowardDean said:
You were told to stop running those Got Satan? commercials, eh?

*hurt*

I thought the:

"Join the Darkside! We have cookies!"

thing was funny. I used it for my flier for a class I am teaching on LHP at my shop this fall. The picture is a melding of Pinhead and Uncle Sam in the classic "I want you!" pose.

Oh well...sometimes my sense of humor can be off...

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · Sep 21, 2007

Jebediah said:
Seems that once the "promotion" word was codified, it became the buzzword of the moment.

And that's my point, really. I find Erwin's ruling eminently reasonable for a CHRISTIAN site -- "don't promote Satanism". Makes sense from a Christian standpoint, fits in with the mission and goals of his site. Erwin did NOT rule, "never speak a single solitary word, not even the slightest hairsbreadth of a thought or feeling or idea or opinion, that even remotely runs the risk of SEEMING "Satanic" to someone else". If he had ruled thus, this entire forum would have had to shut down, because if you've checked the theology, debate, or congregational sections lately, Christians themselves are quite fond of invective which labels even Biblically-derived concepts themselves as "satanic" and "deception" for no greater reason than that they simply disagree with either the statement being made or the continued existence of the person making it.

I am certain whatever Erwin intended by ruling against the "promotion of Satanism", it was NOT to provide domineering control-freak types with ammunition to force cookie-cutter-clone conformity in THEIR own image onto everyone else who joins this site.

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · Sep 21, 2007

Jebediah said:
The picture is a melding of Pinhead and Uncle Sam in the classic "I want you!" pose.

Oh well...sometimes my sense of humor can be off...

Not to me it isn't! I sooooo need to have a copy of that now. Got a PDF or somesuch?

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · Sep 21, 2007

drstevej said:
Ya want to do a duet to the Devil, then?
We can call it our opinion.

foul ball, Dr.steve.
HD does NOT share my opinion on sonnets for Satan.
She is vehemently against that kind of thing.

Jebediah · Sep 21, 2007

drstevej said:
Ya want to do a duet to the Devil, then?
We can call it our opinion.

I actually think that would be interesting. A classical dialogue-style sonnet, with alternating praise and condemnation. It would almost be a meditation...could be done with almost any spiritual force, a meditation on positive and negative relation.

Neat idea.

icedtea · Sep 21, 2007

Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:
I am certain whatever Erwin intended by ruling against the "promotion of Satanism", it was NOT to provide domineering control-freak types with ammunition to force cookie-cutter-clone conformity in THEIR own image onto everyone else who joins this site.

You are wise on this. Erwin too. Good thing he has a level head.
How to get this through to the ammo people...

Jebediah · Sep 21, 2007

Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:
Not to me it isn't! I sooooo need to have a copy of that now. Got a PDF or somesuch?

On its way in a sec.

icedtea · Sep 21, 2007

Moriah_Conquering_Wind said:
foul ball, Dr.steve.
HD does NOT share my opinion on sonnets for Satan.
She is vehemently against that kind of thing.

Actually, I've never read one, so Have no opinion as of yet.
Never got into poetry much, but could even appreciate a certain poem by Ginsberg. Not my cup of tea, but almost lyrical.

psalms 91 · Sep 21, 2007

I think the statement that we need to nail it down may be correct. We are operating on 5 Christian principles, not other religions therefore anything that glorifies or lifts up anything that is not Christian is promotion in my opinion. There is a difference between promotion and honest debate but there are certain areas set aside for that. ZIt shouldnt be in your face type thing.

Moriah_Conquering_Wind · Sep 21, 2007

bill16652 said:
I think the statement that we need to nail it down may be correct. We are operating on 5 Christian principles, not other religions therefore anything that glorifies or lifts up anything that is not Christian is promotion in my opinion. There is a difference between promotion and honest debate but there are certain areas set aside for that. ZIt shouldnt be in your face type thing.

Imagining offense is offered where none has been is a very typical human error though. And it is not fair to force another to bear the weight of what one chooses to eisegete in the face of all clarification to the contrary.

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