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TerranceL

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Oh puhleeze. There is no comparison. Male circumcision is no different than cosmetic surgery; it's like having a boob job done, although much less traumatic or dangerous. Female genital mutilation is designed to prevent women from enjoying the natural pleasures of sex -- it butchers the natural function of a body part; it's like having a tongue cut out or a hand chopped off.

Ah, a Infant Genital Mutilation supporter.... lovely.

You clearly need to speak to a doctor if you think there is no comparison.

Genital Integrity Policy - Long-Term Adverse Effects of Circumcision



One of the more grotesque effects of the act is it has created a market for a male infants skin from his penis.

| The Dadabase

Disgusting.
 
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Then you have to say that piercing is mutilation and tattoos are mutilation and cosmetic surgery is mutilation. Be consistent.

The difference is most people who get cosmetic surgery, piercings and tattoos consent to it.

You understand the difference right?
 
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I'm pretty sure I was anesthetized.

For quite a long time there was no anesthesia given because the belief was it didn't hurt very much and the child wouldn't remember it anyway.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...9/myths-about-circumcision-you-likely-believe
Myth 3: My doctor uses anesthesia.
Reality check: Not necessarily. Most newborns do not receive adequate anesthesia. Only 45% of doctors who do circumcisions use any anesthesia at all. Obstetricians perform 70% of circumcisions and are least likely to use anesthesia - only 25% do. The most common reasons why they don't? They didn't think the procedure warranted it, and it takes too long (Stang 1998). A circumcision with adequate anesthesia takes a half-hour - if they brought your baby back sooner, he was in severe pain during the surgery.
Myth 4: Even if it is painful, the baby won't remember it.
Reality check: The body is a historical repository and remembers everything. The pain of circumcision causes a rewiring of the baby's brain so that he is more sensitive to pain later (Taddio 1997, Anand 2000). Circumcision also can cause post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, anger, low self-esteem and problems with intimacy (Boyle 2002, Hammond 1999, Goldman 1999). Even with a lack of explicit memory and the inability to protest - does that make it right to inflict pain? Ethical guidelines for animal research whenever possible* - do babies deserve any less?
 
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It never was part of Christian living because it was unnecessary to be considered a Christian. It is optional and I have no problem with it. The benefits outweigh the risks.
What benefits?
 
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For God to let our parents decide on such a life long decision really shows us that our lives don't belong to ourselves. Just one of the many few theories that are supported elsewhere in the bible that can be formed from this circumcision thing.


And really guys, everywhere in life where a child needs something done the parent is always the one who consents it. Even when the child says no. Let's not pretend like God is evil because of circumcision.
 
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If a child "needs something done" for a medical reason, that is a totally different case.

If a child needs a circumcision for a medical reason (and they do exist), then there's nothing wrong with it.
 
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Honestly I question how much, if any, anesthesia is used. Since more and more of my friends are becoming moms for the first time, I'm seeing updates from them on FB about how they couldn't even be in the room when it was done (apparently most doctors recommend the moms NOT be in the room because it's so distressing to them). And they could hear their baby screaming/crying from the waiting room.
 
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Honestly I question how much, if any, anesthesia is used. Since more and more of my friends are becoming moms for the first time, I'm seeing updates from them on FB about how they couldn't even be in the room when it was done (apparently most doctors recommend the moms NOT be in the room because it's so distressing to them). And they could hear their baby screaming/crying from the waiting room.

It could always be worse.
 
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If a child "needs something done" for a medical reason, that is a totally different case.

If a child needs a circumcision for a medical reason (and they do exist), then there's nothing wrong with it.

God > medicine. God telling his people to circumcise has more weight on a person's life than circumcising to relieve a disease. So to those who circumcise their 8 day old for God there's nothing wrong with it.
 
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I now have a little more faith in humanity.......

If youre not gonna circumcise your daughter than youre a hypocrite. It is done to both sexes for the same reasons.
Not your body. Not your choice.
No it's not. Circumcision is done for religious reasons, for hygiene, or simply to make you son like other boys. Butchering girls is done to keep them from committing adultery.
 
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God > medicine. God telling his people to circumcise has more weight on a person's life than circumcising to relieve a disease. So to those who circumcise their 8 day old for God there's nothing wrong with it.

What if some parents want to break their child's arm for God? What if they want to blind their child for God? I presume we'd all be anti both of those. I don't see how allowing parents to mutilate their childrens' genitals for God is a thing in civilized society.
 
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It never was part of Christian living because it was unnecessary to be considered a Christian. It is optional and I have no problem with it. The benefits outweigh the risks
Agreed that it is not part of Christian living. But that was because of a decision by church leadership following the failed Bar Kochba revolt (135 ad) where Rome came down hard on Jews and they wanted to avoid that persecution. Circ was one of the first things to go along with meeting on Saturday.

"We are NOT Jews!!!"
 
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God telling his people to circumcise has more weight on a person's life than circumcising to relieve a disease.
Circ applies in the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants, but not the New Covenant. For gentile believers, it is not commanded. In fact, it is discouraged.
 
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What if some parents want to break their child's arm for God? What if they want to blind their child for God? I presume we'd all be anti both of those. I don't see how allowing parents to mutilate their childrens' genitals for God is a thing in civilized society.
Is having your ears pierced mutilation? Is having a boob job mutilation? How about a face lift? The reason these things are not mutilation is that they don't destroy any bodily function. Neither does circumcision. Having your arm broken or female genital mutilation both destroy bodily functions.
 
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Is having your ears pierced mutilation? Is having a boob job mutilation? How about a face lift? The reason these things are not mutilation is that they don't destroy any bodily function.

Having a pricing or cosmetic surgery does not involve removing a healthy body part from a non-consenting person.
 
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