Circumcision

[Locutus]

LOL! I didn't know what to say when she first let out that rant. I was like huh? LOL

It was my 'rant'.

 

[Tina W]

actually there are always 'hidden meanings' behind social conventions. the point of progress is to look at them and determine if they still apply, and further, make sure they're not counterproductive.

Okay I can understand that.

 

[Tina W]

It was my 'rant'.

Oh right! LOL!

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Some people just aren't cut out for circumcision.

 

[Nithavela]

Thanks ...it is one of my favourite rant topics

Meantime, where did I blame men? In this instance, I directed my rant to a female who felt she 'looks better' if denuded like a 12 year old. I also spent a bit of time on female artifice (masking the natural form).

Of course you're quite right about the double standard when it comes to beards. Personally I loathe clean shaven male faces. It's not only creepily feminine, but is yet more of this fetish for looking 12 years old.

What's it with you and 12 year olds? You're the only one talking about children this old.

 

[Locutus]

What's it with you and 12 year olds? You're the only one talking about children this old.

Apologies ... it's an occupational hazard. There's some complex cave man stuff going on here, so I'll try to reduce the waffle. Anthropologically speaking, the prime breeding female was between 12 and 16. There have been various periods in which societies have pandered to this for atavistic reasons. Removing all body hair is one of the last remaining manifestations of that (in the west). As for beardless males, a 12 year old male is not a viable option as a mate, so the drivers are different.

 

[Nithavela]

Apologies ... it's an occupational hazard. There's some complex cave man stuff going on here, so I'll try to reduce the waffle. Anthropologically speaking, the prime breeding female was between 12 and 16. There have been various periods in which societies have pandered to this for atavistic reasons. Removing all body hair is one of the last remaining manifestations of that (in the west). As for beardless males, a 12 year old male is not a viable option as a mate, so the drivers are different.

It's a cultural thing and a fad. In the 70's, women had a lot of body hair. And currently, beards are making a comeback. On the other hands, it has been shown that women in ancient egypt shaved their pubic area.

 

[Locutus]

It's a cultural thing and a fad.

Yes, that's what "various periods" means. The drivers of the fad were/are atavistic (originally), and will still have vestigial links to this.

Meantime, when you say women were hairy in the 1970's, do you mean more hairy than they've always been in Europe? Or are you referring only to America? I'm not sure I'm aware of an island of hairiness as distinct from any other surrounding decade. Where I live, most women have hairy armpits, and at least 50% have hairy legs. It's always been that way.

And yes, thankfully, the ghastly habit of beard removal (in men!) has gone for the foreseeable future. On that, and again only referring to my own general area - the only men here with clean shaven faces are over 60, anachronistically conservative, or Christian. That last is especially amusing since Jesus would never have shaved

 

[Nithavela]

Yes, that's what "various periods" means. The drivers of the fad were/are atavistic (originally), and will still have vestigial links to this.

Meantime, when you say women were hairy in the 1970's, do you mean more hairy than they've always been in Europe? Or are you referring only to America? I'm not sure I'm aware of an island of hairiness as distinct from any other surrounding decade. Where I live, most women have hairy armpits, and at least 50% have hairy legs. It's always been that way.

And yes, thankfully, the ghastly habit of beard removal (in men!) has gone for the foreseeable future. On that, and again only referring to my own general area - the only men here with clean shaven faces are over 60, anachronistically conservative, or Christian. That last is especially amusing since Jesus would never have shaved

I think that you need to get over your body hair fetish, or at least accept that other people like different things than you do, instead of implying that they are pedophiles for preferring women without body hair.

 

[Locutus]

I think that you need to get over your body hair fetish, or at least accept that other people like different things than you do, instead of implying that they are pedophiles for preferring women without body hair.

Actually the fetish is manifest in the sexualisation of non sexual stimuli, or in a sexual dependence on something 'non-standard'. Being sexually dependent upon hairlessness in the female body is a fetish, though an enculturated one. Being sexually dependent on beardless men is fetish, tough again, enculturated.

Not to mention that it panders to the sexisms of the past, to be seduced into thinking women look 'better' without hair. If some women are so lacking in confidence they fear the sky might fall if they were to have armpit or leg hair, then something is amiss.

 

[Nithavela]

You say that as if having a fetish were a bad thing.

Anyway, this is getting way OP, I'll stop debating this.

 

[YoureMyBeloved]

I know that circumcision is popular in the USA, unlike Europe and others regions.

I also think the children should decide for themselves when grown ups.

 

[Locutus]

You say that as if having a fetish were a bad thing.

Anyway, this is getting way OP, I'll stop debating this.

Fetishes aren't in and of themselves a bad thing, no. But if an enculturated fetish leads women to a place where they feel they must alter nature to 'compete', then it's clearly not good.

I imagine that some women in America are sexually dependent upon circumcised penises - which is the same 'negative fallout' kind of fetish. You have to wonder what percentage of American mothers make the decision to do it.

 

[Dave-W]

I also think the children should decide for themselves when grown ups.

And how do you square that with the commandment to have it done at the ripe old age of 8 days?

 

[Locutus]

And how do you square that with the commandment to have it done at the ripe old age of 8 days?

that's like asking the parent who disciplines with 'time out', how they square it with the commandment to stone naughty kids to death ... with stones.

 

[Reeniee]

that's like asking the parent who disciplines with 'time out', how they square it with the commandment to stone naughty kids to death ... with stones.

To me, growing up in the 90s in England "Time Out" is a make of chocolate bar, which does feel like very lenient discipline!

 

[Tina W]

To me, growing up in the 90s in England "Time Out" is a make of chocolate bar, which does feel like very lenient discipline!

LOL! I remember when I would get time out which was called being put on punishment. My favorite thing to do was ride my bike, so whenever I was put on punishment I was banned from riding my bike. This was before cell phones and video games etc. So no bike riding meant all I could do was read a book. LOL! I remember I used to think it was a joke when people said they used to have to go get a switch when they got in trouble, and the belt too. I was like people don't really get hit with belts and switches. LOL That's when I was young and naive. Haha.

 

[HermanNeutics13]

I don't think there is any reason for it. IN fact even for Jews there are aspects of it that are wrong, such as the rabbi sucking the blood out. That needs to stop.

 

[Tina W]

I don't think there is any reason for it. IN fact even for Jews there are aspects of it that are wrong, such as the rabbi sucking the blood out. That needs to stop.

Eeewww! What is the reason for that?

 

[Meowzltov]

Eeewww! What is the reason for that?

I always just assumed it was a stupid and icky but highly convenient way to clean up the little bit of blood there is. Kind of like you get a paper cut, so you stick your finger in your mouth and suck the blood.