Christ's Atonement?

[Chester]

The parable is about "forgiveness" it is not about the "atonement process".

But according to you the atonement process is forgiveness.

 

[Anthony]

This thread is about "Christ's Atonement", you brought in the parabale which is about "forgiveness", from that point the two discussions became intermixed, and mixed together.

If you owe money on a loan to a bank, and for whatever reason you are unable to pay it back, sometimes if other arrangements are made, the bank with forgive the debt. No crime involved just an inability to clear one's debt.

If you go into a bank and rob them of their money, and you are arrested and convicted. The Bank owners could decided, to have leniency and give you forgiveness, and let you go. You may have to return the money, but they have let you go, but no additional punishment is required.

Two different concepts

 

[Chester]

This thread is about "Christ's Atonement", you brought in the parabale which is about "forgiveness", from that point the two discussions became intermixed, and mixed together.

Hold on now. It is you who has told me that "Christ's Atonement" is about "forgiveness", in fact, its not just about forgiveness, it is forgiveness. These are not two separate discussions that have been mixed together, it's the same discussion. Now you seem to be implying that Christ's atonement is not about forgiveness, or are you telling me that Christ's atonement forgiveness is a different kind of forgiveness that is spoken of in this parable?

 

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Chester
Hold on now. It is you who has told me that "Christ's Atonement" is about "forgiveness", in fact, its not just about forgiveness, it is forgiveness. These are not two separate discussions that have been mixed together, it's the same discussion. Now you seem to be implying that Christ's atonement is not about forgiveness, or are you telling me that Christ's atonement forgiveness is a different kind of forgiveness that is spoken of in this parable?

I went and checked the entire thread, I have always keep the concept of "atonement" and "forgiveness" as two discussions. Could you point out where I stated that "Christ's Atonement is about forgiveness".

Forgiving a Debt, is not the same thing a Forgiveness as outlined in the Parable.

 

[Chester]

I went and checked the entire thread, I have always keep the concept of "atonement" and "forgiveness" as two discussions. Could you point out where I stated that "Christ's Atonement is about forgiveness".

I'm sorry, I thought you understood forgiving the debt to be the same as forgiveness. In fact, I need you to explain the difference. How is forgiving the debt different from forgiveness?

Forgiving a Debt, is not the same thing a Forgiveness as outlined in the Parable.

Huh? How do you figure that? The forgiveness as outlined in the parable is the forgiving of a debt.

 

[Anthony]

The Parable is about forgiveness, it is not about Christ's Atonement. We are confusing two concepts using one parable. Accordingly we will go in circles. The parable was not about how we should go around and forgive debt, it was only an example to highlight, how the servant after having his debt forgiven, he didn't have in his heart to return the favor to his fellow man, who owed him $20. Look at the big picture.

 

[Chester]

I'm sorry Anthony, but not only was that incoherent, it did not answer my questions.

I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

>>>I'm not aware of any Christians, outside of the Word Of Faith movement,that believe this. Of course, they also believe they can no longer sin, so take there message with a LARGE grain of salt.
>>>


I grew up in the Episcopalian Church, and we confessed the Apostles Creed which states:
"...(Jesus) was crucified; died and was buried. He decended into hell; on the third day He arose again from the dead;..."

This teaching originates from the NT and has many scriptural proofs. It did not originate with WOF...

 

[Anthony]

Originally posted by hobart schmedly
[size=3I grew up in the Episcopalian Church, and we confessed the Apostles Creed which states:
"...(Jesus) was crucified; died and was buried. He decended into hell; on the third day He arose again from the dead;..."

This teaching originates from the NT and has many scriptural proofs. It did not originate with WOF...[/size]

Hobart

We agree that Jesus "decended into hell", the debate is over what he was doing there and what is did or didn't do with satan. Also what took place there. WOF preachers, teach that Jesus had to go to hell in order to take the keys of hell from satan, among other purposes for going.