Christmas hell?

[coffee4u]

Watch this and give me your thoughts please

I listened up until the robotic voice started saying there are 351 continents and stopped. You will not find that in scripture so there in no need for me to listen past that.
Is this possibly from the Swedenborg Foundation? Do Not listen to them.

Whenever you hear teaching, test the spirits.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Scripture tells us to do this, so how do we 'test the spirits'?
I am going to paste my own post here, a post I made some weeks back.
1)https://www.christianforums.com/bible/1-john/4/
1 John 4
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

What confessing Christ means
“Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven.” Matthew 10:32
The word ‘acknowledge’ (or confess) in the Greek is homo = ‘one’ plus logeo = ‘word.’ It literally means “to be of one word.” To confess Jesus is to be of one word with Him, to say what He says.
Jesus says, “I am the way and the truth and the life” (John 14:6). To be of one word with Him is to say, “For me, Jesus is my way and my truth and my life.” You believe it. You own it. You do not say, “This is what Jesus says, but I have a different view.” Or “I am not so sure about that.” You say, “I will follow Him as my Lord. I will listen to Him as my Teacher. I will trust in Him as my Savior.”
Quote taken from What Does It Mean to Confess Christ? | Unlocking the Bible

2) They look to God for answers not to any practice that God condems.
Isaiah 8:19
And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?

False teachers/evil spirits will not confess Christ, they may use methods God has condemned and they may also perform 'miracles.'
Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

3)They will look the part but will teach falshood.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

We will know false teaching by scripture and the Holy Spirit
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

If the teaching adds or takes away or is not found in scripture it is wrong teaching.

As to Christmas:
Read through Romans 14.
There is nothing wrong in eating a meal with family.
There is nothing wrong in giving presents
There is nothing wrong in reading the birth of Jesus from the Bible
There is nothing wrong in going to a Christmas day service.
Whatever you do, do it to the Lord because whatever is not of faith is of sin.

 

[Jaxxi]

I listened up until the robotic voice started saying there are 351 continents and stopped. You will not find that in scripture so there in no need for me to listen past that.
Is this possibly from the Swedenborg Foundation? Do Not listen to them.

Whenever you hear teaching, test the spirits.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Scripture tells us to do this, so how do we 'test the spirits'?
I am going to paste my own post here, a post I made some weeks back.
1)
1 John 4
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God.

What confessing Christ means
“Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven.” Matthew 10:32
The word ‘acknowledge’ (or confess) in the Greek is homo = ‘one’ plus logeo = ‘word.’ It literally means “to be of one word.” To confess Jesus is to be of one word with Him, to say what He says.
Jesus says, “I am the way and the truth and the life” (John 14:6). To be of one word with Him is to say, “For me, Jesus is my way and my truth and my life.” You believe it. You own it. You do not say, “This is what Jesus says, but I have a different view.” Or “I am not so sure about that.” You say, “I will follow Him as my Lord. I will listen to Him as my Teacher. I will trust in Him as my Savior.”
Quote taken from What Does It Mean to Confess Christ? | Unlocking the Bible

2) They look to God for answers not to any practice that God condems.
Isaiah 8:19
And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?

False teachers/evil spirits will not confess Christ, they may use methods God has condemned and they may also perform 'miracles.'
Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

3)They will look the part but will teach falshood.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

We will know false teaching by scripture and the Holy Spirit
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

If the teaching adds or takes away or is not found in scripture it is wrong teaching.

As to Christmas:
Read through Romans 14.
There is nothing wrong in eating a meal with family.
There is nothing wrong in giving presents
There is nothing wrong in reading the birth of Jesus from the Bible
There is nothing wrong in going to a Christmas day service.
Whatever you do, do it to the Lord because whatever is not of faith is of sin.

The Bible does not tell you the day of Jesus' birth so you don't find it ignorant to celebrate something without Biblical basis? We are not instructed to celebrate His birth just as there is no mention of how many continent are in hell in the Bible. No mention of the Day of His birth is no different. What is December 25th? It was the celebration of the Sun God.

All worship must be done in accord with truth, and not through
the traditions and doctrines of men. John 4:24; Matt. 15:9

Christ is dishonored when men celebrate His birth without His sanction. Do not be deceived by a pagan custom that God did not permit. To Him, it looks like something else.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Bible does not tell you the day of Jesus' birth so you don't find it ignorant to celebrate something without Biblical basis? We are not instructed to celebrate His birth just as there is no mention of how many continent are in hell in the Bible. No mention of the Day of His birth is no different. What is December 25th? It was the celebration of the Sun God.

Yes, in the 4th century worshipers of the Roman god Sol Invictus dedicated December 25th as the Dies Natalis Sol Invicti, or the birthday of the unconquered sun. But here's the thing, the earliest mention of the Dies Natalis is from 354 AD. Christians had been associating December 25th already over a hundred years before any mention of the Roman Dies Natalis. In the 3rd century many Christians were split over whether Jesus was conceived on March 25th, or was born on March 25th; the reason they chose March 25th was out of the belief that since Jesus had been crucified on a March 25th (this was commonly agreed upon at the time) and since Jesus Christ was perfect, then He had a perfect life. Thus they reasoned He had either been born on, or was conceived on, March 25th. Those who argued for Christ's conception on March 25th simply counted exactly nine months to arrive at His birth. Exactly nine months after March 25th is December 25th.

The choice of December 25th to celebrate Christ's Holy Nativity is entirely independent of the Roman Sol Invictus cult, a cult which did not even exist until its institution by the emperor Aurelian, whose reign began in 270, decades after Christians had already been associating December 25th with Christ's birth.

The idea that Christmas is pagan is as fundamentally flawed as those who claim the Christ Myth theory, and claim that Jesus is nothing more than a regurgitation of Mithras, Osirus, or Horus. It's pure bunk without an ounce of scholarly and academic merit.

All worship must be done in accord with truth, and not through
the traditions and doctrines of men. John 4:24; Matt. 15:9

Christ is dishonored when men celebrate His birth without His sanction. Do not be deceived by a pagan custom that God did not permit. To Him, it looks like something else.

Then you should throw out your Bible, since Christ did not sanction a Bible either. The Bible is the result of those "traditions of men" you mention.

Don't believe me? Simply show where Jesus or any of the Apostles list the books that should make up a "Bible". The entire reason you have a Bible is because the Christian Church created a Bible. The Canon of Holy Scripture is a product of Christian tradition.

Again, stop bringing poison to the minds of new Christians.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Jaxxi]

Yes, in the 4th century worshipers of the Roman god Sol Invictus dedicated December 25th as the Dies Natalis Sol Invicti, or the birthday of the unconquered sun. But here's the thing, the earliest mention of the Dies Natalis is from 354 AD. Christians had been associating December 25th already over a hundred years before any mention of the Roman Dies Natalis. In the 3rd century many Christians were split over whether Jesus was conceived on March 25th, or was born on March 25th; the reason they chose March 25th was out of the belief that since Jesus had been crucified on a March 25th (this was commonly agreed upon at the time) and since Jesus Christ was perfect, then He had a perfect life. Thus they reasoned He had either been born on, or was conceived on, March 25th. Those who argued for Christ's conception on March 25th simply counted exactly nine months to arrive at His birth. Exactly nine months after March 25th is December 25th.

The choice of December 25th to celebrate Christ's Holy Nativity is entirely independent of the Roman Sol Invictus cult, a cult which did not even exist until its institution by the emperor Aurelian, whose reign began in 270, decades after Christians had already been associating December 25th with Christ's birth.

The idea that Christmas is pagan is as fundamentally flawed as those who claim the Christ Myth theory, and claim that Jesus is nothing more than a regurgitation of Mithras, Osirus, or Horus. It's pure bunk without an ounce of scholarly and academic merit.



Then you should throw out your Bible, since Christ did not sanction a Bible either. The Bible is the result of those "traditions of men" you mention.

Don't believe me? Simply show where Jesus or any of the Apostles list the books that should make up a "Bible". The entire reason you have a Bible is because the Christian Church created a Bible. The Canon of Holy Scripture is a product of Christian tradition.

Again, stop bringing poison to the minds of new Christians.

-CryptoLutheran

You must not have read the whole conversation. How is it poison when it is dangerous? If they want to move the thread they can. It's not for you to say what is posted where.

So we just throw Jesus in the mix and add a Pagan tree, Santa( satan) Claus, some stockings, mistletoe and candy , then add some commercialism to it and lots of material wealth and stamp Jesus name on a Holiday He would have NOTHING to do with and call it a healthy tradition?

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Buddha - In South Asian and Southeast Asian countries as well as Mongolia, Buddha's birthday is celebrated on the full moon day of the Vaisakha month of the Buddhist calendar and the Hindu calendar, which usually falls in April or May of the Western Gregorian calendar.

Krishna - Krishna's birthday is celebrated every year by Hindus on Krishna Janmashtami according to the lunisolar Hindu calendar, which falls in late August or early September of the Gregorian calendar.

Horus tries to ruin Christmas at the church I grew up and was married in. Ahhhh Lutheran Satire

 

[ViaCrucis]

You must not have read the whole conversation. How is it poison when it is dangerous? If they want to move the thread they can. It's not for you to say what is posted where.

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So we just throw Jesus in the mix and add a Pagan tree, Santa( satan) Claus, some stockings, mistletoe and candy , then add some commercialism to it and lots of material wealth and stamp Jesus name on a Holiday He would have NOTHING to do with and call it a healthy tradition?

The only one in that picture you posted whose birth is celebrated on December 25th is Jesus. Buddha, Krishna, Adonis, Mithras, et al were not born on December 25th, and the people who worship or celebrate those gods and figures have never celebrated December 25th as the "birth day" of their god.

You are being hoodwinked.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

So we just throw Jesus in the mix and add a Pagan tree,

It's called a Christmas tree, and is a custom that arose among Christians in some territories of the Holy Roman Empire. It became more common and popular with Martin Luther, who is often credited as one of the first (if not the first) to bring an evergreen tree inside the home and decorate it with candles. The evergreen was chosen because it being green all year round, symbolic of eternal life in Christ, and the use of candles to decorate it symbolized the light of Christ--the Light of the World entering the world by His birth of the Virgin.

Santa( satan) Claus,

St. Nicholas was a 4th century bishop of the city of Myra in what is modern day Turkey. St. Nicholas of Myra was famous for two reasons, his zealous devotion to the Deity of Jesus Christ at the Council of Nicea, and his incredible generosity. For years when hearing about families in financial need would he anonymously giving money away to help. Because of Nicholas' association with generosity it became customary in many places to give gifts on the anniversary of his death (December 6th). In the Netherlands Dutch children would leave their shoes outside the front door of their home, that they might receive a guilder or gold penny from St. Nicholas.

When the Dutch founded the colony of New Amsterdam, they brought their traditions with them. When the English took control of New Amsterdam and renamed it New York, many of those same Dutch traditions persisted. And in early America those traditions got transferred to Christmas, becoming the basis of the modern Santa Claus (from the Dutch Sinterklaas, St. Nicholas), as well as the tradition of hanging stockings by the chimney. The chimney thing came from A Visit From St. Nicholas, a poem written in 1823, further popularized by the song Up On the Housetop in 1864. Where St. Nicholas became associated with entering chimneys.

some stockings,

See above.

mistletoe

It's a pretty berry that has been used by many cultures for decoration for all kinds of reasons.

and candy

It's a feast. That usually means feasting of some kind is going to happen. And hence pastries, sweets, are common around feast days. As opposed to seasons and periods of fasting.

, then add some commercialism to it and lots of material wealth and stamp Jesus name on a Holiday He would have NOTHING to do with and call it a healthy tradition?

Hey, finally something I can agree with. The rampant commercialism associated with Christmas is pretty gross.

And now let's break all this down:

You are complaining about superficial things. Superficial customs and things associated with harmless fun. But none of that is Christmas.

Take Santa, mistletoe, stockings, presents, candy--take that all away and Christmas still stands.

This isn't Christmas:

THIS is Christmas:

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Come Thou Long Expected Jesus! O Holy One, Born of a Virgin! Holy!

-CryptoLutheran

 

[coffee4u]

The Bible does not tell you the day of Jesus' birth so you don't find it ignorant to celebrate something without Biblical basis? We are not instructed to celebrate His birth just as there is no mention of how many continent are in hell in the Bible. No mention of the Day of His birth is no different. What is December 25th? It was the celebration of the Sun God.

All worship must be done in accord with truth, and not through
the traditions and doctrines of men. John 4:24; Matt. 15:9

Christ is dishonored when men celebrate His birth without His sanction. Do not be deceived by a pagan custom that God did not permit. To Him, it looks like something else.

No I don't. Jewish people didn't celebrate birthdays so I would expect there to be no mention of it.
As to traditions of men anyone here who knows my posts will know I pay those zero mind. I believe in sola scriptura and guidance from the Holy Spirit.

Tell me what is sinful about sharing a meal with your family?
What is sinful about giving gifts?
What is sinful about reading the Bible?

For sure he wasn't born on the 25th, so? It's just a day. Pagan things are nothing, less than nothing. They hold no power. God owns everything.
If you want to be so worried about pagan things then what about the names of the months? Wedding rigs? Cats? Did you know that covering your mouth when you yawn is pagan? It is, it was to stop the spirit leaving. The world is saturated in pagan things.
Well guess what, it isn't theirs, it doesn't belong to them. If tomorrow pagans decided that roast meat and veg was theirs and used it in some elaborate ceremony I would not care. The meat is Gods, those vegetables are Gods. And I would continue to eat knowing that.

Scripture is God's breathed word to us, not some robotic voice proclaiming 351 contents in hell. Immediately upon hearing false teaching I will leave. That wasn't mistaken teaching or confused teaching, it was an outright fabrication. So no I did not listen past that because I will never knowingly listen to false teachers.

Matthew 16:11-12
11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

Like Satan said to Eve "Did God really say?" It only takes one lie, one bit of yeast in the dough.

1 Corinthians 8
4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.


7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.

My only concern would be for weaker brothers and sisters. I would not want my faith to be a stumbling block for them.

If you can't do or say something in faith then don't. If it is unclean to you it is unclean. That is between you and the Lord.
But do not press your uncleanness upon others expecting them to also find it unclean.
Romans 14:14
I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.

If you didn't want advise from seasoned Christians why ask? Did you ignore my post on testing the spirits? That is your choice but that is my best advice to you, as a new Christian, to test the spirits on any teaching that you hear.

 

[Jipsah]

All I can say is this. Christmas was celebrated before it was called Christmas with a tree and decor and a feast for the pagan winter solstice

Pretty much every culture has a solstice celebration. Only Christians celebrate the birth of Christ. BTW, the solstice was never on the 25th in human memory. The solstice itself isn't pagan, it's part of God's design.

The Christmas tree is an idol

So is a lump of coal if you worship it, which I know of no one who does.

the Bible mentions no where that we are to celebrate Christs birthday.

The Heavenly Host did.

 

[Jipsah]

You are quick to dismiss this when the Bible says not to conform to traditions of the world.

Christmas is a tradition of the Church. The world largely ignores it.

 

[Jipsah]

So we should celebrate Christmas even though we are not told to do so?

Yes.

 

[Jipsah]

So be bored! Scoffers are expected. Sign of the times.

First, no one here says "where is the promise of His coming?", so you're misusing that Scripture. Apart from that, ridiculous notions should be scoffed at.

 

[Jipsah]

The Bible does not tell you the day of Jesus' birth so you don't find it ignorant to celebrate something without Biblical basis?

We're not celebrating the day of His birth, we're celebrating His birth. The day we do it on is irrelevant.

What is December 25th? It was the celebration of the Sun God.

That was on the solstice, not the 25th. Fake history.

Christ is dishonored when men celebrate His birth without His sanction.

Baloney.

Do not be deceived by a pagan custom that God did not permit. To Him, it looks like something else.

More baloney.

 

[Jaxxi]

We're not celebrating the day of His birth, we're celebrating His birth. The day we're do it on is irrelevant.

That was on the solstice, not the 25th. Fake history.

Baloney.

More baloney.

What isn't baloney is that the Bible says 'Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 1 Peter 5:8

It would be naive for us to think that the Prince of this world would allow us a pure and spiritual harmless celebration without perverting it and making it a trap to send us to hell without us even realizing it.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, following the tradition of men according to the rudiments of the world, and not in accordance with Christ. Colossians 2:8

That is a warning in the Bible. December 25 is not in accordance with Christ. Neither is celebrating His birth. If we were supposed to do it the Bible would tell us. That is my point.

 

[RickardoHolmes]

I do celebrate Christmas, Advent is my favorite of the liturgical seasons.
As we are preparing to decorate our trees today, I thought of the old silver tinsel tree that I had long ago. I eventually sold it to some Bohemians who wanted it for a more retro display, but I still wish I had one around for the collection.

 

[Jipsah]

What isn't baloney is that the Bible says 'Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil walketh about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. 1 Peter 5:8

That it does. Which says nothing at all about not celebrating our Savior's birth. The Host of Heaven did, didn't they? I don't think the devil was on board with that, do you?

December 25 is not in accordance with Christ. Neither is celebrating His birth. If we were supposed to do it the Bible would tell us. That is my point.

Yes, do what the Bible tells us. It does not tell us to make up rules and regulations forbidding the worship of our Lord at random times. That in itself is diabolical.

 

[tturt]

Biblical references to celebrate Christmas?

Includes "Away in a Manger," "Angels We have Heard on High", "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen", "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing", "It came upon a Midnight Clear," "Joy to the World", "Do You Hear What I Hear?" ++++

Yeshua, Jesus who came down from the sky Angels proclaiming His birth which the prophets seen of old and that time had come as foretold. His birth was proclaimed to shepherds in the field by night. The lyrics tell the story including The Star and wise men bearing gold and other gifts. He came to save us from Satan's power. God and sinners reconciled. Bless all the dear children in Thy tender care.. This newborn King brings tidings of comfort and joy; comfort and joy. Good will to men. There's wonders of His love and glories of His righteousness. Let earth receive her King. Joyful all ye nations rise. He rules the world with truth and grace. Come worship our Emmanuel! Come adore Him on bended knee. We worship heaven's all gracious King ever and ever!

 

[Ancient of Days]

Watch this and give me your thoughts please

No.

 

[coffee4u]

So we should celebrate Christmas even though we are not told to do so?

No verse says to go online either. Just because we are not told to do something does not make it wrong. It's to do with the heart.